i agree with this with one exeption
at the moment CE is 6K per 100
it would make sence if a mist tank costs about 3k so that it cant be abused so much
Mist Tank NPC
That won't work. If I make 5k per jelly run, bout 5 levels, and mist tanks cost 2k, then I can make 10k with one mist tank, minus the mist tank price, is an 8k profit. So if I keep a spare tank at all times, I can make CE at any time of the day. That's ok with regenerating mist, becuase I can only make 10k 1ce per day.
Prehaps you could get a non-tradeable mist tank by letting 100 mist sit for 24 more hours (48 hours no play time), and it takes the mist out of your tank, so you couldnt play for 24 more hrs (if you wait for full), and you'd only get a mist tank every other day tops.
You don't see what will happen if you make the mist tanks cheaper than the total amount of crowns you can get from one run. If you make it cheaper (like 2k) and you can get 4k a run, you still have a 2k profit. Pro's can easily farm (YES FARM) tier 1 for crowns. As it costs 60 energy (lets say mist) to get 4k from a tier 1 dungeon run, you can buy a mist tank which will neutralize the energy cost of 60ME, you still have a total crown profit of 2k. Just using 3 tier 1 farms gives you around 6k, and then you can buy 100CE from other players. So everybody will be farming tier 1 to get crowns, use them to buy CE, craft items, and repeat the circle. If you actually understand this, you will see the game turns into one massive tier 1 farming community, nobody will actually do tier 2/3 (except pros) due to the chance of dieing (so saying u cannot buy mist tanks once you have died will NOT solve the problem at all). Everybody will be able to farm. Even noobs. Because noobs can easily complete tier 1 with any gear. Just use the pistol. Doing so and evading enemies will slowly kill the enemies and you will complete tier 1.
Suggested solutions for this problem:
Make mist tanks cost more that the total dungeon profit. In this way, you cannot farm crowns. If you say lets make if 5k, you can earn 4k, eventually it will cost you 1k. You will still get the heat so it will train your items slowly making you stronger. This will make sure mist tanks are only used what they are meant to be used for: completely refill your mist energy.
BUT
another problem shows up. If you get 100ME for every mist tank, you will still be able to farm. You just need to do more runs. Lets take the scenario above where mist tanks cost 5k. You just have to do a shorter tier 1 run costing 40ME (you will get around 2/3 total profit (2/3 of 4000 is 2.6k)). Then do another full run of the dungeon giving you the full profit (4k). At the end of this run, you will have 6.6k. Then buy a mist tank of 5k, you still have 1.6k left with the full 100ME. So mist tanks should already be more expansive that the total profit you can make with 100ME to avoid farming (just to recall: farming results in people massively buying CE from others, stealing OOO's profit). So mist tanks should be at least 7k to avoid farmin.
BUT
The above scenario will keep things in the world of Spiral Knights like it previously was as mist tanks are hard to get due to the long time trying to. But if you set the mist tank cost to 5k, another results pops up resulting in WAY MORE PROFIT FOR OOO!!!! As everybody is buying CE from other players, and then spending it to craft higher tier gear, things happen in the Spiral Knights economy. The price to buy CE from others will increase. And not a little. Prices will go up to 20k and higher per 100CE. Farming will take a very very very very long time. And as players are very impatient, the will start buying CE from OOO. And this will result in stages in the Spiral Knights economy. Let me explain:
First, people go farming and buy CE from other players, resulting in a high CE price.
Then, people stop farming due to low results as you have to farm a very long time. They will buy CE again and in high proportions.
And at last, the prices will drop again as there is a huge amount of CE available in the game. And the cycle repeats itself.
However this eco will help new players to get higher gear once they get the hang of it (requiring they are in the right part of the cycle where CE is cheaper again). And people who sell CE when it's expensive will have a lot of profit (most of the time these are the better players).
So think about if you wish to have this economy in cycles as players will not be attracted once entering the game in the expensive CE part of the eco-cycle. But players will be boosted once they get to learn the game and are able to do tier 1 runs without dieing. Actually, by doing so the game gets fairly balanced! And pros will be more attracted to do tier 3 runs as it will give them more money so they can get CE faster and also they will be able to buy it in times when CE is expensive.
It's a nice eco-cycle, but you have to think this through and decide whether or not you wish to have this economy. In cycles or stable?
This is a very old thread, look at the dates. made in june, ended in july. It is january of a whole nother year now. You cannot bring back these thoughts because they are old thoughts and things could have changed as well as the people's thoughts could differ now. It somewhat makes it look like its their current thoughts when it is not.
This is also called "Necroing" and you are lucky I am a nice guy because I think it is totally understandable if you search barred a thread and didnt check dates :3
All banter aside though, this isn't a bad idea. It just got necro'd for the wrong reasons. This is how I'd design it:
If you do the entire strata, you can purchase up to ONE mist tank from a vendor at the subtown (Moorcraft or Emberlight)
If you didn't do the entire strata, only a mini-mist tank is for sale.
Mist tank purchases are tracked per account per 22 hours, like mist.
However, even with such limitations I don't think it would fly. It basically extends the amount of mist energy you get in a 22 hour period, so I doubt OOO would approve of such a measure. I think OOO is more likely to approve a mist bank that does NOT result in any extra mist being produced, but even that is unlikely.
Think before you leap, dude. If this is implemented, OOO won't be getting as much money, which means less employees. Therefore the gameplay would go down because of less payers. Also, you do a JK run, gain about 7k and then buy a mist tank. Repeat the process until you are totally 5*. Just because you are still a teen with nothing to do than play this game doesn't mean it has to be made for the F2P. The P2P/P2E supports the game that you love so much. I am a F2P myself, but to don't find me complaining about ce cost or having not enough energy at th ens of the run. If you have seriously nothing to do except play this game, why can't you just keep playing? Earn money, and then see you don't have enough. Play again the next day until you get what you want. Learn to be patient, if you are still a teen you have a lot of years left.DEAL with it and if you can't, don't play this game!
EDIT: I did not know that this was that old. Why necro a topic this old, Jeez. Wasted my time there XD.
Subject.
Also, as much as I would love to say "Yes!", this is completely unsupportable.
-1 to Necro'd thread.
~Sev
I'm sort of neutral and I agree with both of you. I don't know why but, I do.
PROS:
>Newcomers have jumpstarts.
>Well, maybe if a certain accomplishment would boost the current transaction? Only Ren could decide on this.
CONS:
>CE's Worthlessness after implementation.
>Something must be harder to make this valuable. Make the levels harder, to make players dig deep into it. Complete support.
See? I support both of you.
...from Emberlight. He found a way to make a tank that collects mist energy and restabilizes it inside the tank and he's the only one who could do it. His name's Poncho XD.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The CE trade is the only economy remotely alive in this game, let's not screw it up and have OOO lose money in the process.
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A Gremlin said that. It means "Don't know how much I would rate"
Are you all blind? OMG, you cant even check post date?
Is it just me or is there a mass resurrection of decaying threads going on now?
No thanks to a certain necromancer?
Sure.. It Sounds Cool but...
You Recieve Additional Mist Tanks For Tasks Done In The Beginning, Or Inviting People.
Thats how you get Mist Tanks.
Ce is a expense of time playing, if people want alot, they need to think or trade for it.
People can achieve these things selling items in other games able to trade over steam with sk stuff.
if mist tanks were purchaseable for these prices, it would just ruin the economy for the producers getting cash for quick purchase of CE.
it would be easy to earn energy that why free crowns by playing.. It would not be as fun trading in the game if it was more of a worthless ridicillous amounts values.
and the ones saving up to for example 100k, 500k? 1mill?
it would be worthless this instant if Mist tanks where half of cost of the CE.. and people would make it in like less then 1 week, which could take the trader several weeks to get, or players months.
this is a good idea, but not good enough to change the producers thinking method this far into this idea, simply cause "you want a faster way becoming 5*"
people do not have a hard time getting to tier 2, they can use about 2-4 days to get the materials and crowns . about 4 days more to have the energy, make it 8-10 days to become tier 2, "BUT ONLY IF YOU ONLY PLAY"
there is able to bid on AH and sell to players for more, be smart, dont try to change the entire economy and creation of the game cause you simply want a quick way up with your gear and other things..
the game was created for FUN, and for others as in TRADERS.
Go: Play, Trade, Sell & Buy, Don't Come Here And Cry..
I can't believe you just did :/
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Ok, you DON'T need to go and necro this this thread. It is dead and gone. =I
@Assassinnor
I know it's another disagreement, but what the hell?
If ye really disagree then why did ye post this thread when it is suppose to be not mentioned again??!
PEOPLE. HAVE. BAD. AWARENESS.
Necros.
Necros.
Necros.
BTW, looks like Pow was here a long time ago.
Looks at thread,
Thinks back 5 months ago
Looks at thread again
Noticed the 'Pow wuzz hereshz' on backside
Decides to read a book about condensation
I support the idea of a trader that sells mist tanks for crowns.