My current sword right now are Avenger and Dark Thorn Blade and i'm trying to equip my guy with a gun as the third weapon, which is antigua. Right now at the moment i can't choose between a which line i should choose. I would like the one that would be useful on most levels so which gun is better?
Silversix or Blackhawk?
Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:57
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 00:34
#2
I'm curious as well actually,
I'm curious as well actually, I have a similar setup but with an alchemer as well atm, and want a 4th weapon, being another gun type, but not sure which of these two. I assume Silversix is better simply because what the Blackhawk excels at tends to be dodging enemies (and slimes), but who knows, I might be dead wrong :P
EDIT: And question was mostly answered while I wrote my post :P. Is piercing not all that useful for a gun like this (being only half pierce)? Would someone be better off sticking with a strictly DPS gun like a Storm Driver?
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 00:33
#3
If you must choose one, the
If you must choose one, the Silversix line is far more practical.
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 00:43
#4
but if i have a gun that does
but if i have a gun that does both elemental or shadow i can kite when im low HP. That's what im trying to aim at, sorry if i didn't explain well enough
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 00:55
#5
@Patchumz
Piercing can still
@Patchumz
Piercing can still be useful for sniping out silkwings or dealing with other butterflies of the sort, but you pretty much wont be able to deal with the wolvers dodge most of the time, at least not like how the Magnus line does it (knocking them into the air and landing them on their ass preventing them from doing anything.). I've seen a lot of my sword using guildmates & friends use the Storm Driver as their backup gun, shock is a quite nice effect to interrupt enemies, so yes, I would think it would be better off you using it.
@Darjian
Regardless, you can kite fairly well with the other guns as well (maybe not the autogun line, but I have seen people get it to work.), even the Magnus. If you want a gun you can rely on while low on HP and giving you the best kiting experience would definitely be the Blaster line. You get 3 shots that you can shoot while moving, and you can reload while moving as well (antiguas leave you still while reloading). Also because it does normal damage you can use it against all the enemies and not worry about doing weak damage. From what I've heard the Valiance's natural knockback is great as well.
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 06:26
#6
silversix is far better
silversix is far better
Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:15
#7
Blackhawk
I have chosen for the blackhawk just because i wanted a shadow gun and it is really rare to see someone walking with it. and i like to have a rare weapon :P.
Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:18
#8
and i like to have a rare
and i like to have a rare weapon :P.
You don't see people using it not because it's rare, but because it's a terrible gun.
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 00:01
#9
I have an Argent Peacemaker
I have an Argent Peacemaker because it look pretty, but its not that practical, I use a Leviathan/storm driver combo which deals with most things effectively and efficiently.
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 04:32
#10
The silversix does
The silversix does piercing/elemental, the blackhawk does piercing/shadow. Since I already had an alchemer that did elemental, I chose to craft a blackhawk to complement it. It isn't a bad weapon, but sadly, as mentioned above, the monsters that it is strong against usually dodge and are hard to hit with the blackhawk.
If you are only going to have one gun, I wouldn't choose an antiqua, I'd choose an alchemer. If you have more than one gun, I wouldn't choose an antiqua, I'd choose another alchemer with a different status, or a callahan (magnus line), or a valiance. I guess if all you do is FSC runs and only want one gun, the peacemaker isn't bad.
Where the antiqua line really shines is its ability to whack bushes, cut minerals down and break blocks. There are even a few long-distance triggers that can be hit with an uncharged antiqua that require charging your alchemer to hit. These are the kinds of super-critical tasks where I really miss not having my blackhawk.
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 07:22
#11
One of the best things about
One of the best things about the Blackhawk IS the gremlin dodging. With the fast rate of fire, you can back an entire swarm of grems against the wall for your party to finish off. Not to mention gremlin dodging is all pretty much straight backward, so facing at them lets you actually hit with the shots.
Next best thing about the Blackhawk is the range. Whether or not it's a good weapon for it or not, being able to snipe out a turret from an entirely safe distance is invaluable when soloing, as is kiting creatures that are too far away to 'leap' forward to attack you.
Add in being a compliment to an Elemental alchemer, it's really not a bad weapon. Just don't upgrade it to Sentenza, =/
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 08:06
#12
So the best thing about the
So the best thing about the Blackhawk is something the Silversix can do, and the second-best thing is its abnormally long range...
:/
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 08:15
#13
But for vanny AP is
But for vanny AP is FFFFFAAAARRRRR better. FSC>AP>BOOM.
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 08:46
#14
So the best thing about the
So the best thing about the Blackhawk is something the Silversix can do
The blackhawk will do about twice the damage to gremlins as the silversix will. So, not only can you push a herd of gremlins back against a wall, but you can kill them while you are doing it.
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 08:52
#15
Its called swords. XD Are you
Its called swords. XD Are you an all gunner?
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 11:06
#16
What Dark Ritual?
What Dark Ritual?
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:47
#17
Issue
I have a issue here. Its very stupid these two weapons are never gonn be effective, just ineffective! This really needs a fix asap!!
For my Blackhawk, Shadow and Piercing:
Against Beasts, Piercing should be effective, Shadow normal -> Damage dealt is normal
Against Machine, Piercing is ineffective, Shadwo normal -> Damage dealt is lower
Against Demon, Piercing is normal, Shadow is ineffectiv -> Damage dealt is lower
Against Jelly, Piercing is weak, Shadow normal -> Damage dealt is lower
Against Ghosts, Piercing normal, Shadow weak -> Damage dealt is lower
Against Gremlin, Piercing is normal, Shadow should be effective -> Damage dealt is normal
JUST INEFFECTIV AND NORMAL!! FIX THIS D:
Tue, 07/12/2011 - 04:40
#18
I was thinking the same thing
I've been wondering since i heard about the antigua, which upgrade path i would get. right now i have a striker and a graviton bomb (fun!) and im going after RJ to get an antigua. after reading it's pretty obvious that the argent peacemaker is the best option out of the group so thanks for helping with the decision :D
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 05:45
#19
Abathur ya noob u got it wrong
blackhawk's table
undead=low
fiend=normal
construction=low
silme=normal
beast=high
germlin=high
but i wouldn't recommend these guns even thou i have this gun i rather have the iron slug
in 4 wepon slots u should have Elemental,Shadow,Pierce,Normal
if u have glacius,acheron,barbarious thorn blade u probly don't need any other wepons but its always useful to keep a gun incase
u end up in a puzzle map like spiral court stuff IDK
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 09:00
#20
Don't call other noob when
Don't call other noob when you resurrect a 4 months old thread
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 13:09
#21
Raptosaurs, i don't think you
Raptosaurs, i don't think you quite get how the damage bonus/malus works. For a bonus, you get something like 25% bonus. For a malus you do 75% less. So a bonus doesn't offset a malus at all. Even then, if half your damage is bonus and half is normal, you don't do "high" damage. You do just sligtly (12,5%) more damage.
So the damage table looks more like that :
undead = totaly uneffective
fiend = a little uneffective
constructs = totally uneffective
slime = a little unneffective
beast = slightly effective
gremlins = slightly effective
Yeah, you have sliglty better than normal against 2 families, and worst against all the others. The thread may be 4 months old, but the information are still accurate. So necroing it to tell some false informations really make you look stupid.
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 19:15
#22
This question has already been answered, but...
Go for Argent Peacemaker. I made Sentenza, and even tho I love that gun, especially because it has a CTR: very high UV, it's not as helpful, as mentioned above. When making equipment, consider making stuff that will be beneficial in FSC. Argent will be much more helpful than Sentenza.
Sat, 11/05/2011 - 19:40
#23
The Blackhawk is better in
The Blackhawk is better in Lockdown. Argent Peacemaker is better everywhere else.
Sun, 11/06/2011 - 01:30
#24
Argent Peacemaker.
I will not recommend using any Antigua line in Lockdown, simply because it can be outclassed by so many other guns.
Generally, all the piercing guns in Lockdown aren't particularly good.
Shadow users generally would stick to the Umbra Driver (and trust me, the ricochets do wonders), so Sentenza is definitely not a good idea unless you have horrible accuracy - even then, you're better off using swords.
There are only two times anyone would get an Antigua (Argent Peacemaker line):
1. They're not a pure gunner. Obvious reasons.
2. They run Dukes on a regular basis.
With Duke, you're better off using Blitz Needle for higher dps, though if you find Antigua better due to its versatility in both the mask and body phase get an AP. A Sentenza won't be of much use against jellies and gremlins, because you can use an Umbra/Biohazard to much better effect. And bullet speed won't be too big of a concern, really. Gremlins are relatively easier to hit than Wolvers, and jellies are sitting ducks (save for the Giant Lichen Colony).
Sun, 11/06/2011 - 01:25
#25
Angel Eyes
I prefer sentenza as a gun.
AP is usefull on undead; sentenza is useful on grimlins. I also find it entertaining to shoot T3 wolvers with it, and make my party incredibly angry.
While many point out that sentenza does well on beasts/wolvers which dodge, they forget that its great on grimlins, whose movements are easy to control and manipulate, just as the argent does well on fiends, which consist of mainly devilites (not good for guns), and of undead, which, like grimlins, are easy to kill with guns. (albeit don't dodge).
With your current set up, you can already kill fiends, undeads, and beasts fairly well. Unless you need a gun for killing vanaduke and undead, sentenza.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:07
#26
Sentenza
Since you already have avenger with a ranged attack that doesn't harm you (stupid gran Faust), then get Sentenza. It is excellent against wolves and gremlins, who usually are the hardest to hit (in tier 3, with wolves teleporting everywhere and the gremlin annoying attacks). Also, Sentenza is far superior in PvP on the basis that it deals part shadow and piercing damage. breaks shields, anti bomber, and recon seeker pretty much. Plus, DA charge can be used on Vana. Basically, if you want to dominate in PvP, hit switches faster than your teammate with the polaris, and absolutely hate those treasure boxes and crystals, than Sentenza is for you.
Mon, 11/21/2011 - 23:07
#27
Which one??
So, the Argent Peacemaker is great against
*Fiends, which are common in FSC
*undead, which are common in FSC
*Vanaduke, who is slightly weak to piercing
The Sentenza, however, is great against
*Wolvers, because it can... hit them before they can teleport or something? Or failing that, hit dodging wolvers better than most other guns?
*Gremlins, because it can hit dodging gremlins better than most other guns?
*PvP players, because they don't often have defenses against the Sentenza's strengths
Both are great for hitting switches, treasure boxes, and crystals, and both can hit things at abnormally long range, right?
Am I right about the Sentenza, though? If so, then I'm personally back to square one - the abilities of both guns seem useful. Which one do I pick?
If you absolutely must have an Antigua, get the Silversix. The Blackhawk's only going to be effective against Gremlins and Wolvers, which are the two enemies that dodge bullets the most. The reason why so many people get Argent Peacemakers is because it's good against Fiends and Undead, which are common in Firestorm Citadel and it's slightly good against Vanaduke.
As a gunslinger, I would not recommend either Antigua line simply because split type damage makes the gun a SuperSoaker to most enemies, and the monsters it specializes in will still have it's damage pretty pathetic at that. The saving grade to Antiguas are the range and clip size, if you are only going to use one gun then Argent Peacemaker will be pretty handy, but an Alchemer or Magnus will deal higher DPS than an Antigua any day.
Also, since you have an Elemental damaging weapons and a Piercing damaging weapon already, there's really no point in getting a gun that will do the same, but weaker than both swords alone. So possibly invest in something other than that, either a shadow damaging sword or a Shadowtech.