He has a certain point. Unless you go though the Announcements forum and read though every post it's difficult to know what's up with the current build unless you log on near daily. There's been more than a few returning players I've brought up to speed with the most recent release.

I think though with the new Spiral Uplink it would be a good idea to put in a Message of the Day or somehow be able to list changes since last log on in the message box.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/node/1013

They're supposed to think that they don't have access to that tier.

If you haven't adventured down to that tier yet, it's "locked". But all that means is that you have to pay 200 crowns (tier 2) or 500 crowns (tier 3) to bypass the lock and continue playing.

Furthermore, if you join a party already in progress right before they hit the next tier, taking the elevator down from that last level to the next town is enough to "unlock" the tier. Take advantage of the social aspects; good friends are worth their weight in energy.

(Insofar as e=mc^2, that's a lot of energy)

Nice work reading that whole post.

I agree on the trinket and weapon slot ugrades! When you buy them they should last 30 days of LOGGED in days. So if you only play 3 days a week, it should only count down 3 days out of the 30 days. This game is designed to be a casual game, not a hardcore game, so it should support features that go by days played rather then a set time period of days. B)

Its actually 150CE for trinket slots x2 and 250CE per weapon slot x2. thats 800CE all together, and the more important one is the weapon slots for beta testing reasons. Testing multiple weapons in the same situation is optimal for feedback on balance issue's. If this was out of beta, i probably wouldnt even buy additional weapon slots, im just fine with the 2 weapons i use the most, but since its a beta, and its our duty to test the game, I have purchased 2 weapon slots. On the other hand, my g/f who is a casual player purchased 2 weapon slots because she likes different weapons for different mobs. She playes maybe 3-4 days a week max, and she was really bummed out when her weapon slots dissapeard after a month cuz she didnt feel she got her moneys worth out of it. Players like that are the ones that put the money into the game, therefore im just expressing what I saw. If that laster her 30 days of in game play, she'd be much happier to throw her credit card number in and buy 30 more days worth of trinket slots. after all, from a game developers seat you want ur game to make money, and you want your players to keep spending money. Happy players = money. Sad players = players that dont come back and pay more money. Just stating the facts. go crawl back in your shoebox.

Bread... lol

I just wanted to see if you'd argue back about it, figured you'd argue to anything i said, seems to be one of your favorite things to do. I was simply suggesting something that might help them make more money, as this is classified as a casual game, and the MAJORITY of ppl that play casual games are not acustomed to things like us hardcore players. Me personally will buy the trinket/weapon upgrades every month reagardless cuz I spend enough time playing to use in game currency, so they dont make money off of players like us no matter how its set up. I was just pointing out the players that dip into their purse/wallet to buy luxury items will be more likly to keep dipping into that purse/wallet if they feel like their getting their money's worth out of it.

Well thank you kind sir for supporting what I said, (Personal attack removed). Yes, like i said, hardcore players like me and you wont spend no money on the game, cuz we can earn it. Thus, the developers make no money for their hard earned work. Thus, spiral knights will die in the end. Now, back to what i was saying about casual players SPENDING MONEY TO KEEP THE GAME ALIVE. You want to keep those players happy so they will keep spending money. And as a hardcore player, WE should WANT these casual players to keep spending money so our game can stay alive. Casual players that spend money to get stuff they want are what makes it so we can play awesome games like this for FREE. My arguement for making it based off of days you log in is not for my own greedyness, as i play everyday, and if it was changed to that, it would STILL only last me a month. This suggestion was to help the game developers understand the minds of casual players, like my g/f, who play a couple days out of the week, and also throw their credit card into the system to pay money for things they want that they dont spend enough time to earn for free.

I know this is obviously hard for you to understand, but if we want SK to live, someones gotta pay the bills. I'm merly suggesting a MINOR incentive to keep players paying and playing. This would effect the players that play everyday and buy it for free to a minimal degree, as they if anything only miss one or two days out of a month of gameplay. I myself have payed for energy a couple times, merly because I understand the concept of the game makers needing to make money, and I have no problems tossing some money to support a game I play quite often. I also understand the hard work it takes to make a game like this, so as a thanks I throw some money their way when I have the extra money to throw. Dont get me wrong, I do enjoy the slight edge I get from having the additional purchased energy, but the main reason I buy is to thank them for their hard work. I also know if you make it too rediculusly cheap, or if it last for too long of a time period, these payers will only need to buy once, or even a couple times at intervals of greater distance which cuts down on profits made too. This was not just a random spur of the moment suggestion. I seen a causal player that pays get upset, I watched them then decided NOT to spend more money to buy that item, then I took that info and came up with a suggetion that seemed fair to both the player and the developer. I then came across a forum where another player also thought it was a good idea, and i have also heard other players (that also pay) complain about not getting a full 30 days out of it, so I decided to post my feedback. Now maybe u learned a little bit from this, but most likly you didnt, either way, I have made my point and am done having this childish arguement with you. (admitting that I contributed to the childishness also :P)

Happy Payers (not players) = more money = happy developers = SK's lifespan lasting longer

No, I was just too lazy to bother trying to understand your terrible English.

For someone with a "4.0" GPA you type and spell (badly)

Also, Energy isn't just used to buy "Luxury Items", it's also used to play the game.
You know, going down a level costs you 10 energy, you only get 100 Mist Energy every 24 hours.
If you want to play more than that you need to buy CE, either with Crowns or real money.
And most people in the beginning of the game buy the CE with real money because the Crown cost is too expensive.
So every player pays up equally, regardless of whether they get the Trinket Slots or not.

There are no systems in this game that are meant to favour casual players or hardcore players.
At least not on purpose.
It goes at whatever pace you set it to.
That is the point of Spiral Knights.

There's only two people on this forum I don't actually like, you and BehindCurtai.

Because you type up essays to reply to three line posts, can't write or comprehend for (removed)

I come here to socialise, discuss things and suggest ways for Spiral Knights to improve.
I rarely log-in to the game because I am less than contented with the way it's been progressing lately, it's been almost a month since the last time I logged on to the game.

Quite honestly, people's opinion of me doesn't matter. You don't know anything about me, I've never told anyone here anything about me and the things that I do say aren't blatant ego stroking like people claim it is.
I have opinions on things, like everyone else.
As I am entitled to.

(Personal attacks are not cool.)

*Pats Hyperion on the back*

It happens, a job is a job. At least there are GM's now to move in at greater speed than the Devs ever could. I just wish there was a convenient in-forum report button.

You don't lose Trinkets when the slot expires, just like you don't lose Weapons when the slot expires.
It just unequips.

"And this is why I do not post on forums." -Game0ver
You sure fooled me

Rather than complaining that aspects of the game should be changed to suit your personal needs why not change the way you play? The game is always being changed and improved why not just submit your complaint and wait for a change rather than throwing yourself onto the forums where, lets be honest, you probably knew you'd find someone to disagree with. If you're one of those people that thrives on internet arguments fair enough but lets try and be productive at the same time.

Oh and Game0ver just from seeing some of your other posts you may find this appropriate http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/we_get_it.png

This game gives you 100 mist energy everyday.
Players who aren't logging in every day to use that 100 energy, be it through crafting or playing for a short period, are already missing out.
If you played 3 days a week, you'd miss out on 1800 energy, every month. That's enough to buy all your slots twice over.

I think people should just be encouraged to log-in daily, rather than encouraged to not log-in at all to save trinket/weapon slot days.

Oh please, Curtai, don't bump a thread that's been sitting in the back for a month just to resume an old argument.

No, I'm saying "Don't be a thread necromancer".

I agree 100% with what behindcurtai said. You should ALWAYS support causal gamers, cuz if you drive them away, you lose a large part of your profit ratio. Games generally do not profit off of hardcore gamers, as they will find a way to make the necessary funds to play for free, eventually. Even if it takes them months of playing for free to achieve that, they will find a way. Trust me, I am a hardcore gamer and I will play for free if i can. Now that does not limit me to not spending money on a game. For instance, I run outta energy, Also at the same time my trinket slots and weapons slots run outta time, I'll spent money on the past to upgrade these, but say I only got a week of play out of my 30 days, im not buying more, as they were useless to me. If i happen to find a rare item i can sell to make up for this difference, I may purchase it again. BUT if I dont, I will be without, no bother to me. Ok say this is 30 days of in game use. I may be a hardcore player, but I mainly play when my fiance plays, specially since I have a hand full of other games I play, and she is not a gamer at all. she was pretty upset when her trinket and weapons slots ran out. If it wasnt beta, she would not of puchased more energy to buy more upgrades, but I talked her into it, so we can beta test more guns at the same time.

She told me, and I quote "I will not spend money on this if this is the way the system is ran at offical release, i will quit playing and not thing twice about this game." ok this is true. She only plays to relate with me on 1 of the 10 games i play. if this game goes in the same path it currently is (In regards to puchasing extra slots with energy) she will just quit. As is, she spends 20 bucks ever 2 weeks on this game, but now that its getting harder, and she realized her trinket slots expire even if she's on or not, she's not enjoying the game. She would rather quit, then continue playing. Now I am a game designer in training, and my job is to realize this stuff, and figure out a way around it. if i want to make money in my industry, I gotta come up with solutions to all these problems, and I dont see why offering a trinket or weapon upgrade slot that last for days you log in as a loss of profit. if anything its a gain in profit, cuz the casual players, like my fiance, will continue to pay for energy when they run out.

Us hardcore players will NEVER pay for energy if we can avoid it, as we can outplay the game and make our "in game" profit over it. when deciding on what is proper to charge for and what is not, u should always keep the money maker's in mind. the casual players that have real jobs and pay to spend their time playing the game. Use League of legends for example, u can buy any character in game for "in game currency" of for "riot points" which cost USD, but u can only purchase Character costumes for "riot Points" which cost USD. Costumes are not part of the gameplay, yet players pay for them on a daily basis. just a different perspective to view money making from. As the main reason games are produced is to make money, since why else would you spend so much time and effort on something? B)

Your comment was that GOOD game design ties advancement to time played. My point was that this is untrue in Spiral Knights. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the purpose of your last comment, but are you now telling me that time-based advancement is actually bad?

World of Warcraft assumes a very steady XP rate. Players can punch this up a bit if they're clever with how they complete quests, but ultimately low-skilled players will advance simply by killing an arbitrary number of monsters for XP that unlocks the next zone. This is advancement by time played. Even the worst of players can expect to advance to the late level zones it a predictable amount of time just by participating. The difference between the skilled player and the unskilled player is relatively minor, and neither is denied advancement by skill-cap.

Spiral Knights locks player advancement by a very small set of skill-based goals - complete 15 levels worth of Tier 1, reach level 8, and have a set of 2-star gear. A low-skilled player who cannot survive further than level 5 will never complete this goal, a concept completely alien to the WoW model. Completing the 15 tokens worth of levels is highly dependent on skill - a high-skilled player will accomplish this very quickly, whereas a low-skilled player is likely to bumble and waste energy on unneeded revives. This is unlike WoW, where the monsters and quests you would complete to advance have relatively low variance between the skilled and unskilled.

The 2-star gear requirement is the only outlier, as it is a goal that can be chipped away by even the worst of players and cannot be greatly mitigated by skill - a high-skilled player is likely to achieve the 15 token requirement long before the 2-star equipment requirement, and there's no good way to optimize this goal except if you skip buying any upgrades other than 2-star gear. Perhaps if the officer gave you a no-frills 2-star set when you met the other objectives this would be changed.

Ultimately, Spiral Knights employs skill-based progression and I feel this is good design, not the time-based progression of a typical MMO.

Looking forward to reading your full response.