Buying CE will be more expensive. :(
Important warning to 000: If CE values go higher...
You do realize its a player-run-economy so Three Rings will not intervene?
Why would Three Rings want energy prices to EVER go down?
CE should be as expensive as possible for crowns, to encourage people to buy energy with IRL money. As one of the Steam newbies who'll never buy energy, I don't see why Three Rings would want the cost of 100 energy via crowns to ever exceed what could be made with an 100 energy dive. If you make, say, 10k crowns on 100 energy, then they'd let prices go to 11k per 100 energy quite happily. To be able to play infinitely discourages using actual money on energy, which no profit-seeking organisation that runs a game in this style would want.
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"Why would Three Rings want energy prices to EVER go down?
CE should be as expensive as possible for crowns, to encourage people to buy energy with IRL money."
Not quite true. There is a limited amount of CE in the system and it leaks out of the system via crafting and elevators. The only way to get more into the system is for someone to buy it. If someone is spending crowns on CE then they're probably about to use it for something in which case it's out of the system and someone will need to buy more with $s.
OOO doesn't care what the player driven economy sets the price at. Cheap or expensive doesn't make much difference to them. Too cheap and sellers won't sell and more people will need to buy with money due to no supply. Too expensive and people would rather buy with money than buy via trade. Just right and CE gets used up faster, as people buy and use it, and for the cycle to continue people need to buy with money.
At the end of the day as long as 3xO get a steady income then the price doesn't matter much (and as long as the game continues to be fun and fresh content keeps being added people will continue to push money into the system).
>Buying CE will be more expensive. :(
Buying will stay the same price. 7,500 for 19.95. pftt
Why would Three Rings want energy prices to EVER go down?
CE should be as expensive as possible for crowns, to encourage people to buy energy with IRL money.
That is the "obvious" conclusion to make, that the higher the cr<->CE exchange rate goes, the better it is for OOO. That may well not be true at all.
When the cr<->CE exchange rate goes up, people (both F2P and P2P) have only a few options. They can quit playing the game, which large numbers of people did before the steam players came. This is bad for OOO a number of reasons, including reduced word-of-mouth advertising, etc. They can cut back on how much CE they use to run gates and instead maximize the free Mist Energy. This is bad for OOO since OOO is giving away mist for free. Or, they could, as you propose, buy CE with RL money. Conversion of F2P to P2P is generally good, but not if it causes a net loss of revenue because instead of players buying 10% of their CE with real money, they are no longer playing and are now buying nothing.
Another thing that happens when the cr<->CE exchange rate goes up is that people who P2P have to sell less CE to get the same amount of crowns. The number of crowns used to buy recipes and craft doesn't change, so if the exchange rate of CE goes from 2.5k to 7.5k, P2P players can sell a third of the CE to get the same equipment and therefore they may well not buy as much CE.
When CE is "cheap", people will waste a lot with reviving, energy doors, crafting stuff just to see what it is like, etc. While OOO gets the RL money when the CE is bought, not when it is sunk, they still want lots of CE sunk in order to keep sales coming in.
What is really critical for OOO to do is change the game so that people don't buy CE with real money because they want the energy, but rather people should want to buy CE with real money in order to get crowns. This is what often happens with OOO's puzzle pirate's game. All it takes to get CE is to open your wallet, and even teenagers can get 50k CE if they *really* wanted, they often pay that much for their shoes. Crowns, on the other hand, can only be gained by playing the game. If getting crowns is what people think about, then selling CE is easy for OOO.
It is quite possible that the maximum amount of CE sold by OOO could be around 50-75% of what the average player gets from 100CE. Yes, people could run gates forever, but that's the point. They are spending hours and hours playing the game, at an effective hour pay rate of maybe $0.25/hr, so that other players (with less time and more money) can get the crowns to do critical stuff. If only the game was changes so that crowns were need for critical stuff. >.<
It's funny how several people didn't parse the original post and just started on their energy rants again.
If prices go up then prices will go up!
Wow. Just... wow.
I don't think he was being serious when making this thread, Dirt.
At the very least, I hope he wasn't.
I was trying to figure out if the "000" was meant to be somewhat satirical, but I'm really not sure. I have very little faith for the people who post threads about energy.
I do agree with the OP.
This has got to be a troll post. At least the ZOMG ENERGY post are less frequent now.
At least the ZOMG ENERGY post are less frequent now.
Less frequent? Ever since Steam players started playing, it's been every other thread.
"Too expensive and people would rather buy with money than buy via trade."
Considering this is a game that will be forever be free to download and play I say members are still getting a very sweet deal. An MMORPG that's good, no monthly fees like all the others out there, you still get 100 Mist energy every 24 hours toplay without spending a real life dollar and they update/give maintenance to the game and server frequently.
Hun, programmers need to eat too -- as well as make some profit out of it. You guys want CE to be cheaper? Wisen up and stop hitting that auto-trade button hastily and instead go to the Market tab and post how much you're willing to pay for every 100 CE. The wait PATIENTLY. If all the buyers stick to a range price and none go over it sellers will eventually have to adjust and compromise.
Supply and demand, as well as simple economics.
Of course, most people simply don't have the PATIENCE for this -- so prices will keep on rising, rising and rising. :D
At first i had my rage face on.
But then I lolled.
"Less frequent? Ever since Steam players started playing, it's been every other thread."
Well, before the Steam rush, it was every thread (where non-CE threads eventually got dragged into the great debate as well). I'd say this is a 50% improvement.
since the arrival of steam players, ce prices went down, possibly with them using cash to buy energy.
But a second factor exist: the number of players...
The ce prices came to 7k+ just before the steam patch, and all over, i heard players saying (and really doing it) quitting the game.
gate player count on the Jelly gate (which usually garners most players) go to a maximum 400 players.
Now, there are 1k+ plus players ALWAYS...
this means the number of players should have equaled the need for higher ce cost.
But a third factor now shows.
That many players wanted their crowns to cost more CE!
Well, before the Steam rush, it was every thread (where non-CE threads eventually got dragged into the great debate as well).
That was due to the CE alchemy prices doubling out of nowhere, not the CE rising itself. Even then, it tapered off because you either got used to it or you stopped playing. Even when the rage was fresh, there was nowhere near as many "CRYSTAL ENERGY PRICES ARE RIIIIIIIISIIIIIIIIIIIIIING" or "CRYSTAL ENERGY IS QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER, GET RID OF IIIIIIIIIIIIT" threads that we have now. You can't say with a straight face the quality has not fallen.
I attribute Runescape disease to the threads. Yes it is a disease.
Not only it will be more expensive, it will also be less cheap.
It will require, on a per-unit basis, more digital currency, unique to the game, to acquire the crystallized form of energy, or work.
I think a solution to this problem would fix it.
I have a solution...
If we lower CE prises then
they will be cheaper.
If players buy cheaper CE then players do not spend much to buy CE.
Personally I think CE being at a higher price actually prolongs the game and gives it more of a challenge. I am up for anything that prolongs me from getting anything I want.
also, to say OOO doesnt intervene with the energy prices is a load of ecto drops. anyone remember the "haven expansion". sure, we got a WHOLE AUCTION HOUS AND TRAINING ROOM, but we allso had weapon prices essentially triple, weapon trading essentially removed, and iono, 1/4 - 1/2 the playerbase up in arms/quit?
I do remember Heaven Expansion.
hey im 12 and what is this? youre saying more crowns will be required for more expensive crystal energy? as opposed to less crowns for less expensive crystal energy? please help me out im kinda new to this game!!
Yes, that's exactly what the OP is saying.
If nothing changes than the situation will remain the same.
Thank you, Captain Obvious! xD