The Stratum Debating Thread
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 08:59
Current Project: Copper Serpent Gate
My wishlist: Gremlin, Shock, Fire, Construct or Slime Stratums on Tier 2.
Hello everyone. In this thread, we will actively discuss the various gates and their stratums, telling each other what we're investing our minerals in, what we want and what we can agree on when it comes to making an entire new dungeon. For example, if Knight A wants a slime stratum, and if Knight B wants a fiend stratum, they can work together to get each other the stratums they want.
I'll start off by saying I'm usually investing my minerals in getting more gremlim, slime and construct stratums, because I can't wait for ironclaw munitions, and I do good damage to those enemies. I'll be satisfied with more shock and fire stratums, though. I'll be willing to put my minerals in any gate, so let me know what gates you're working on and I'll help you get what you want. We're gonna focus on one gate at a time though. Just to get things done faster. Try and get more people ITT so we can have more minerals and an organized group.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:35
#2
Zombies!
Slime and Undead are my favorites.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:50
#3
FYI - at present, the
FYI - at present, the appearance of boss strata is in no way affected by the players. Boss strata are automatically assigned to specific gates regardless of what, if anything, players do.
Second, it's pretty much impossible for anything smaller than a full guild to actually influence gate construction. It takes a *lot* of minerals to shift a stratum. There have been a few times players have banded together to create a specific gate (such as an all-slime gate), but such efforts are few and far between. For the most part, auto-selling of whatever minerals happen to drop is the controlling factor in gate construction.
(The devs need to *seriously* reconsider the whole gate construction mechanic. AFAIK, the current mechanism has never actually worked as intended, with a very few exceptions like the all slime gate).
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 14:48
#4
I agree with OP, more
I agree with OP, more gremlins! Not because of the new boss but because they don't have much of their own themed stuff yet they added so much to the clockworks!
And BTW, it is possible to shift the gates yourself, but it has to be where the stratums have a difference one color. A few days ago I shifted a shock stratum into a gremlin stratum by adding more blue than yellow.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 14:53
#5
"My guild often all agree on
"My guild often all agree on a stratum they want and we try and craft the gate to that end. We tend to like slime stratums as they are relatively easy to clear and have a tendancy to give a lot of gold. "
Huh, for some reason I find slimes harder than most other monsters. I'd rather have devilites, gremlins, and gunpuppies at the same time. For me, it's really hard to predict and dodge those spikes coming out of the ground.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 15:29
#6
Fire, Freeze, and Undead
Fire, Freeze, and Undead usually have the best crown/heat turnout in the latter strata (14-17, 24-28). I see many Clockwork Tunnels with Danger Rooms in these particular themes often, and they typically contain Arenas. Undead is great too due to the nearly guaranteed random depth of Graveyard (Amazing for Heat, or Treasure Vault (Oodles of crowns and Token). Also, who doesn't love Scarlet Fortress?
If it isn't those three, then I prefer seeing Slime. My Acheron just slices through all of the Lichenous Lair depths that will accompany that theme, and my heat meter will be filled every run.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:19
#7
Beast. Definitely beast.
I want to see more beast strata myself... I've built myself a lovely Fearless Rigadoon that often doesn't get enough exercise with all the mechs and slimes around, and while it's very satisfying to shred a pack of greavers (vengeance for the time I met you carrying Faust with the obvious painful results! Hah! Take that!) Ahem, yes, Flourish series and Thorn blade series are both best applied against BEASTS!
Also, less dramatic and more bean-counting, but, a lot of things that a lot of people want UVs of require materials from beast strata. Monster Bones, Sharp Fangs, Green Shards, essential in mass crafting many popular items.
The only problem with Beast Strata is they are more likely to give Primal Sparks than Grim Sparks, alas.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:29
#8
"while it's very satisfying
"while it's very satisfying to shred a pack of greavers (vengeance for the time I met you carrying Faust with the obvious painful results! Hah! Take that!) Ahem, yes, Flourish series and Thorn blade series are both best applied against BEASTS!"
Really? What do you prefer to use against devilites and greavers then? I find large groups of devilites to be more of a threat than alpha wolvers.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:42
#9
Which gate?
Yeah, it's nice that we're telling each other which stratums we want, but we forgot one thing.
Which gates are you putting minerals in for what stratum? It would really help if you tell us while we're debating. Also, it seems many of us like slime stratums. Either way I really want gremlins and slime so my faust can kick ass. If any of you want something different I'll check the recipies and use my extra minerals for what you want.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:01
#10
Well, honestly...
Given the resistance that uJelly ran into, I'm not feeling any particular urge to make a concrete plan in a public forum because someone will only deliberately sabotage it and it will take ten times more minerals than a sneak attack, as it were.
@Silty: Shivermist Buster! Also I do use my Rigadoon against them if it's not a mixed strata or else Levi.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:51
#11
Easy peasy
Isn't it better to match the strati with the boss levels? ie. Having the JK levels preceded with more jelly levels would make gearing up a whole lot easier.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:55
#12
You can't do that. The two
You can't do that. The two strata in a tier cannot match anymore.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:35
#13
Poison/Shock... like GTFO
I always feel that we have way too many of those two strata. At one time a dormant gate was full of Poison and Shock, except that the first one was Freeze.
Also, Fiends. [BLEEP]ING DEVILITES. Bunch of totoros pelting our health away with junk.
I'd really like to see more Undead and Beast strata... just because like nobody ever tries to create them.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:49
#14
I vote for an all boss gate!
I vote for an all boss gate! Who's with me?
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:57
#15
What I want is a shock area
What I want is a shock area followed by fire right before snorbalax. Im tired of all the kiddies in proto trying to hit that bell while he's in a corner. The less of those the better.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:59
#16
That's just mean... They're
That's just mean... They're new to the game and Snorbolax is their first challenge. Let them learn from their mistakes.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 20:10
#17
possible for a single player
im working to make slime stratum on strat 3 of the rj gate.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 20:12
#18
Can we please organize our
Can we please organize our selves into one mission at a time?
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 21:25
#19
"That's just mean... They're
"That's just mean... They're new to the game and Snorbolax is their first challenge. Let them learn from their mistakes." Not necessarily, I would consider Snarbolax easier than a danger room in the deeper half of T1.
And it's not entirely obvious that that is what the bell is for. Just tell them they have to hit the bell while Snarb is in the center to damage him.
...
And I agree with shock, but poison? Poison is the least harmful status IMO. Just run around for a few seconds until it ends, it doesn't even do damage or slow you down.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 21:30
#20
@Fly18
Agreed. We should focus on one gate at a time. By the way, the new Golden Titan Gate just came out, it's T2 has a good variety of shock dungeons, a shock arena, and the scarlet fortress.
Now let's get business going. What are you guys investing your minerals in for the Dark King gate? I'm going for a gremlin stratum in T2.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 22:34
#21
I second that! but there's
I second that! but there's still the others.
Edit: OP needs to edit the first post so people can just glance to know the current project.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 22:59
#22
@Fly18
Done and done.
I'm putting my red and blue minerals into depth 9-12 of the Dark King gate. Anyone need help with different floors/stratums?
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 23:55
#23
I do my best to disrupt slime
I do my best to disrupt slime and gremlin gates on stratum 6. I'm fine with anything else but those 2 are by far the least profitable. Construct, beast, fiend, or undead are preferable.
Mon, 07/04/2011 - 00:58
#24
I'm gonna go reinforce the
I'm gonna go reinforce the gremlin strata. I think we should put undead in.
Edit: Need help with gremlin, it's currently beast. I'm trying to make the second stratum undead, need help though, I don't have enough minerals on my own. Also, does anyone want a stratum that requires valestone?
Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:12
#25
Okay
I'll help disrupt slime and gremlin on stratum 6 whenever I can, Ignominious.
Keep up the good work, Fly18. Stratum 3 is on the brink of Beast/Gremlin. We just might make it.
Anybody else want some mineral help?
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 07:34
#26
stratum 3 is fluctuating too
stratum 3 is fluctuating too much!
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:12
#27
I'd just like to say I was
I'd just like to say I was solely responsible for the beast theme on the titan gate lol (partly by accident)
It had changed to ice in the last minute and I reallly really wanted construct, but couldn't click fast enough to shift themes lol.
I really liked Jade Falcon's construct --> undead T3 strata. Do want again.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 08:12
#28
Stratum 3 is derp
Stratum 3 keeps on changing. I think we should disrupt it and hope for the best.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:02
#29
If you really wanna pull off
If you really wanna pull off a concerted gate change, you'd have to organize a dedicated group to affect the gate in the last 2-3 minutes before it opens.
uJelly?
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:09
#30
@Tenlki
Thanks for the Beast strata! I've been waiting since June 8th for a Beast level to show up in D24 so I could get the last bit of damage data for the Hunting Blade. There was a treasure room/graveyard at that depth recently, but I never lucked the treasure room.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:42
#31
We have until the start of
We have until the start of tomorrow to make any final changes to the Dark King Gate. Now's the time to ask for anything new in a stratum that's not being worked on.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 07:39
#32
New Project
Next up is the Copper Serpent Gate. Stratum 3 is currently Gremlin. Can we keep it there?
Also, you know the drill. Post what you want so we can help each other. It would be nice if more people posted ITT though.
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 08:23
#33
My guildmates and I will be
My guildmates and I will be aiming for beast in s4 (Red and green). We barely managed to get the crummy slime stratum off of s6 of the last gate.
Seriously, slimes may drop slightly more gold, but every mat they drop is worthless thanks to the jelly king farming. If i get a heavy gear, philoso feather, warp dust, or ghost bell, my run is already worth more than an entire run of jelly king.
Gremlins tend to get a lot of deconstruction zones, which I find tend to be horrid for farming.
My guild often all agree on a stratum they want and we try and craft the gate to that end. We tend to like slime stratums as they are relatively easy to clear and have a tendancy to give a lot of gold.
I dont find that the crafting process is all that reliable though. grr.
Anyways - More slimes and Lichens please!