Fox King "boss" a little too tough?
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:38
Now. I'm just saying.
I can solo the JK. I have nearly full 5 star gear, and I'm duel wielding Faust and Divine Avenger.
The 3rd depth of tier one Golden Titan Gate, at the moment, has a combat event with a brown (male?) fox. The ones that bite multiple times and can break shields very easily.
This particular fox takes 10-15 swings (it feels like) of my faust to kill, and I've actually fallen over, in full 5 star gear, trying to get this guy dead.
Is anyone else having issues with this guy?
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:43
#2
Alpha wolvers do pack a punch
Alpha wolvers do pack a punch but they're also very predictable. They do a 3 hit combo attack that rarely diverts from its path so when they charge up just run back or to the side then close back in to attack them after the third bite.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:44
#3
Thats an alpha wolver, they
Thats an alpha wolver, they are pretty much everywhere with beast depths. They take awhile to kill, kind of like Trojans.
I'd be careful with them.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:45
#4
I've definitely seen them,
I've definitely seen them, but I never recall them taking quite so many hits as this one particular event.
Granted weapon damage is nerfed a lot in Tier 1, but it's just an extraordinary number of hits to fell these guys for a 5 star weapon when you're only at depth 3.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:51
#5
I agree with you on the
I agree with you on the stance that they feel too strong, but only because it's easy to get them mixed up with the other wolvers in the heat of the battle. One on one and they aren't so tough. Shield bumping them away before they do their strong attack is a good way to give yourself breathing room before they do come at you.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:55
#6
Avenger series will be weak
Avenger series will be weak against wolvers. Also, fighting Alphas with heavy swords is tricky. As always, be judicious about using your second swing. I'm not sure what else to suggest; you shouldn't be having any trouble at all in T1. The wolvers there have huge lag times between sitting up and yipping, charging up and attacking, and their attack range is reduced compared to T2 and T3. Just get out of the way when you see an Alpha charging up; circle behind him and let loose once he's done with his bit combo.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 15:57
#7
use a flourish.
use a flourish.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 16:00
#8
My Advice
He scares me so I dont even fight him =)
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 16:21
#9
Use Piercing weapons. Done.
I
Use Piercing weapons. Done.
I personally just use my Acheron though, still kills them in a few hits, or one charge attack.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 16:28
#10
I'm going to guess you faced
I'm going to guess you faced this Alpha Wolver in a Wolver Den; If that is the case, it's just that it's "buffed", because each Wolver Den spawns a single Alpha Wolver from a higher tier, that has more health, defense and attack power. Mainly attack power.
Those guys can actually be pretty scary, even on T1, if you don't have piercing defense, considering the massive attack boost they get. Though even so, they're pretty damn easy as long as you don't just rush in like a madman and take a billion hits. Just be a bit more evasive against Alphas.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 16:36
#11
This thread reminds me why I
This thread reminds me why I like this game and not the usual MMOs:
Gear is secondary to skill.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:07
#12
Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
I agree with the OP.
I encountered this fearsome Alpha Wolf in Wolver Den yesterday, while soloing and exploring dangerous world down below the surface... boy, he was a tough one. He realy can break the shield so easily!
I died because of this Big bad wolf!
(he owes me 2 Energy for reviving, tell him this when you meet him, please :D )
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:33
#13
Thanks Kakelgis.
That makes a
Thanks Kakelgis.
That makes a lot of sense if he's from a later tier in terms of hp/damage.
I was going to say. A mob requiring skill does not necessarily mean it is not ALSO overtuned.
But if it's intentional, so be it. Seems like a kiting fight. Still, I can't help but feel that a T2 mob has no business in depth three regardless of strata.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:38
#14
Wait til you see what an
Wait til you see what an Alpha Wolver do in T3... charge for attack > teleport behind you > you lose shield + health and die to the rest of the swarm
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:48
#15
Alpha wolvers are dangerous,
Alpha wolvers are dangerous, even if they're not ones that are a tier ahead of you. The key thing is to be nowhere near them when they start their bite attack. A piercing defense shield MAY be able to survive all three hits, but it's still better to just not be in the way. Shield bumping it away (then running in the opposite direction) when it's about to attack can be useful.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:52
#16
If you time your swings
If you time your swings correctly, they'll be knocked away far enough to be unable to hit you. I was able to beat Tier 2 alpha wolvers with a Troika (2-star weapon) this way.
Otherwise, with a faster weapon, you can hit-and-run right after they're finished with a 3-attack combo.
But thanks, it boosts my morale to hear that the Jelly King isn't so tough after all, compared to an alpha wolver. I guess I'll hit him with no worries as soon as I get a 3* weapon.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 18:14
#17
I like how elites are
I like how elites are freaking out about alpha wolvers :)
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 18:28
#18
I am assuming you're meaning
I am assuming you're meaning the Alpha Wolvers in the Danger Room in any Wolver Den level.
These are specially bred to pack a punch and do so wonderfully: Without proper protection, they can take off at least half your HP in one bite. These Alphas are also resilient to being knocked out of attacks.
Play defensively: If you see them charging, cancel your attack and get out of the way until they're done. It'll take a while, but you'll have to down them this way. They're way too damaging to trade hits with.
They also have high defense, higher than usual. It's weird, I consider Wolver Den Alphas to be mini-bosses.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 18:53
#19
Reading about full 5* geared
Reading about full 5* geared people being downed by an Alpha Wolver on Tier 1 makes me think just one thing: "at least they can show who's top dog and who is the [female dog]!"
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 19:01
#20
Alpha wolvers are a piece of
Alpha wolvers are a piece of cake with a heavy weapon. Just keep on spamming your attack on it until it dies. It takes so long to charge its attack you can always get your second hit in and interrupt its attack before it finishes charging. Just be sure you don't start attacking when its already charging but attack before it starts charging.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 19:23
#21
Depends on what Tier Wolver
Depends on what Tier Wolver you're talking about. In T1 and T2, they are a bit okay and you can afford to take their bite attacks, although as you progress you should learn their pattens and dodging as soon as you see them telegraphing their bites. Sometimes they do change direction in the middle of their triple bite attack- don't assume they'll stay in one direction and keep as far away as possible. T3 are even harder, because along with their constant attack buff, they also have a sort of teleporting attack where they'll dive underground and pop up randomly, most of the time behind you. With multiple Wolvers its easy to either get cornered or ambushed if you aren't really paying attention. The main key I suppose is to keep track of the Alphas and keep moving, using hit and run tactics to keep out of range of their bite attacks.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 19:58
#22
Why does it seem like people
Why does it seem like people have to complain about something being too tough all the time? Always putting blame in the game's design.
When I get the grass kicked out of me, I usually just shrug and say "Whelp, I suck."
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 20:47
#23
That's nice. but this thread
That's nice. but this thread is about enemy difficulty, not self-esteem issues.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 21:11
#24
Is anyone else having issues
Is anyone else having issues with this guy?
Nope. Then again, I'm a good player.
/schoolyard taunts
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 23:00
#25
@Ykro
It doesn't depend on what tier you're in. I've had my 5* shield broken in one bite by an alpha wolver in T1.
Alpha wolvers are really not that hard to fight, -if- you respect their teeth and evade them, -if- you are not lagging, and -if- you don't mess up.
Try to go toe to toe with them, or screw up, and you get what you deserve. Have a slow connection, and, well, you get punished then too, sorry!
They are much easier to take down with a flourish weapon, but really any (not elemental) weapon will do if you just make sure to get out of the way at the right time. Timing is everything with Alphas.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 23:12
#26
@ Senshi
I usually have a Dark Thorn Blade on me so they're not -that- difficult to deal with in the lower tiers. I suppose most of my experience with Alpha Wolvers in T3 is due to fighting them mostly in either narrow hallways or very crowded areas where you have other T3 enemies to deal with. If you're not concentrating on the Wolver, you're trying to avoid some other enemy like Retrodes or Kats and all of a sudden you find yourself pinned against an Alpha Wolver ready to bite. The lower Wolvers are also a problem since they can do the same teleport move to box you in and wittle away at your shield before you can use it to shove them away.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 23:37
#27
T1 and T2 Alpha wolvers are
T1 and T2 Alpha wolvers are easy. I've fought one T3 alpha wolver and that was easy too. Then again I fought it in a large area. I can handle them with my slow internet connection, but I usually stay out of range and shoot them with guns, so take that with a grain of salt. (=
Don't stand in front of the alpha wolver when it attacks. Only block as a last resort. Alpha wolvers will break just about any shield and attack your life points directly. Instead keep moving and keep your distance. Attack quick then move. You should be fine.
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 23:39
#28
ITT: Betas.
ITT: Betas.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 00:00
#29
@ betrael
i use the Dark Thorn Blade, from what i've heard comparable with the flourish line.
This sword almost makes wolvers have an easy mode, you jump from wolver to wolver while knocking them back. The only drawback is that you sometimes jump forward into the poisonous shrubs/fire.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 00:13
#30
They were pretty hard when I
They were pretty hard when I was new to the game but now that I've stopped being bad they're easy.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 07:28
#31
Right, but this is not a
Right, but this is not a thread about a mob type being to difficult regardless of context. See me? Freaking out. I'm definitely freaking out >_>
No. This is a thread about a mob being too challenging for it's particular location.
Imagine a player in 1 star or less gear coming up against that guy. In tier 2 (where Kakelgis states that he is intended to exist) it's less of a problem because your damage isn't nerfed. You're as appropriately powerful as he is.
At any rate, I'm enjoying the trolls, but a bigger thank you to those of you trying to reach out and offer combat advice.
And yes, dotEff. I've seen the T3 guys. T3 is still something I'm dipping my feet into lightly but I've done one run. I'll admit, it was a bit rough.
Senshi nailed it on the head. You can't go toe to toe with an Alpha wolver, regardless of tier. And I think that may have been what threw me off.
Still, though. See my comment about a 0-1 star player fighting a guy like this.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 14:01
#32
You're doing something wrong
You're doing something wrong if you're 5* out and have played enough to get both a Faust and DA but have only done 1 T3 run and have this much trouble with a strata 1 alpha wolf.
You have to learn each monster's weakness and kill them that way because:
1. There is no higher star equipment for you to use as a crutch to get through T3
2. There are monsters in T3 with no seemingly discovered weaknesses so you must save you're HP and pills to go against them.
I have defeated Snarbolax 11 times, usually solo. Many of those times have been with all proto gear. He is definitely manageable.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 14:38
#33
Snarbolax was doable with 0*
Snarbolax was doable with 0* gear and a single 2* sword.
The alpha wolf is not unbeatable. It's just disproportionately challenging for a depth three mob.
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:32
#34
H-how...
How are you in 5* gear and...
What is this...
I don't even...
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:37
#35
no the thorn shield at least
no the thorn shield at least doesn't take the hits nicely, it is best to just run the hell out from there
Are you talking about Snarbolax? I've beaten him in 1* gear many times. I don't think he's too tough at all.
As a boss, of course he takes 10+ hits to kill. In tier 1, your 5* stuff is less powerful than it will be deeper, so you're not going to do 300 damage per swing.