If the ancient plate shield is worth getting, then I'll fight vana whenever I get the chance to, if not. Than he is completely useless since combuster > FoV
If I'm better crafting my way through, then I'll just stick with dying on the last stage of 27. (I'm still in T2)
I'm just saying this based off that combuster won't set you on fire, but FoV does have a 100% chance of causing fire .
@jp That's the joke to not get killed by Vanaduke, you have to Vanaduck!
He's not entirely wrong about the FoV.
One distinct advantage of Combuster is that you can build on a UV from the Brandish stage, so you can go with an ASI loadout, or a CTR if you prefer the charged attack. To some people, maxing ASI is important.
I do view the Fang as mostly a status symbol weapon. It looks nice, for sure.
As such, if you have no interest in acquiring status symbol loot, then yes, fighting "Vanaduck" isn't your most efficient course of action.
I honestly don't need a status symbol, but a 5 star shield will do for me.
So is ancient plate shield good...plz tell me, I've heard good and bad things about it...
Completely useless?
Are you forgetting that you can get the Blackened Crest with Seals too? That shield is pretty dang useful.
Dying on floor 27 means you have a weak team and will most likely fail to defeat the "Duck" so you should stop there. That said if one person survived and the people in your group know what they are doing you can usually defeat him without needing a res. Personally all I need is a guy with shivermist and can beat him in a team of 4 even if the other 2 guys die.
Mustado! <3
I'll get you that guy, don't worry...
but Fang of vog charge does over 2000 on zombies and constructs in tier 3, over 1000 in tier 2.
plus normal fov attacks never burn you, and have a high chance of burning monsters.
while the charge has 4 hits all likely to burn monsters.
Vanaduke's rewards are next to worthless to be perfectly honest.
I still haven't fought him at all because his token exchange list is incredibly pitiful. All of the armor is complete trash, the shield's 5* is only so-so, and the sword isn't worth the trouble either seeing as how I kill everything in 1~3hits (Depends on depth) at all times, an extra sword isn't going to aid me whatsoever especially if I won't be using it's charge attack the majority of the time.
If his exchange list is ever revamped to offer actual rewards then I might consider fighting him.
All of the armor is complete trash, the shield's 5* is only so-so, and the sword isn't worth the trouble
Confirmed for not knowing what he's talking about.
If you weren't seen as a complete troll in these forums I might have been insulted.
You mean to tell me you find armor that adds no defenses besides those against Normal is worth the trouble of fighting through the Citadel and Vanaduke for? Not only that, but it decreases your attack speed and movement speed.
The shield is so-so because the amount of effort that's put in to get it isn't worth it. You can obtain a shield with Normal/Shadow with much less hassle involved. Fire resist? I can understand that a bit, but Shock isn't so dangerous unless the player is a fool who can't time the spasms, especially since Shock has been nerfed.
And I already explained why the Fang of Vog isn't worth the hassle.
@Loki Blackened/Crest is "so-so"??? You kill everything in 1-3hits??? I assume you've never walked out of tier1. Lol funny of you to say shock isn't so dangerous, ofc its not in tier1 =]. The only other shield in the game that has normal/shadow is dread skelly. I'd take my Crest of Almire over that anyday.
@Ninjajpbob Please don't make a comment about combuster being better then FoV if you've never used it. Just cause u see the damage bar being a lil higher means nothing. FoV can land fire on each and every swing, a lot of people have full resist gear and will never get lit on fire by FoV.
I'll say one thing, wearing full Ancient set into T1 is amusing with the bundles of normal damage, if not incredibly redundant. The end.
I don't think fighting vanaduke is useless just because none of the token awards are appealing to you, doesn't mean you can't get satisfaction out of killing him atleast once in your career.
They certainly should add more armor and weapons available only for Boss tokens. And I think they already know it and will do it.
As BlueStarfish said above, Vanaduke is totaly worth killing for the good feeling that you can kill him! ;)
If you don't need any token loot, killing vanaduke gives you ~2k crowns (counting his tokens) and 2-4 grim sparks. That's about the most you can make in any clockworks level.
1. Fang of Vog can set enemies on fire on a normal attack unlike Combuster which you need to charge. With some decent fire resistant gear and trinket, you have nearly no problem with using Fang of Vog's charged attacks.
2. You can get the Blackened Crest which I heard from somebody, is really useful. And plus, it won't break if one of the annoying Phantoms decided to charge their Sword.
3. You get loads of crowns and heats off the levels before the Boss.
And please don't say things when you don't know for sure, fire resist though capable of totally blocking normal burn, Max only nerfs damage on FoV charge whether in firestorm or training hall.
In tier 3 with max fire resist you still burn half the time, just only a few bars.
One and a half bars in tier 2.
Lower in tier 1
Ancient Plate Shield Sucks. Get VPS. FoV won't ALWAYS burn you if you have a vog cub set. Dur.
Thanks for the replies. I'll stick with trying to kill Vanaduke 10 times...
If you weren't seen as a complete troll in these forums I might have been insulted.
Oh you. Why would you be insulted for something that was barely sarcastic? Unless you're being disingenuous. In that case, I guess I got BRAIN PROBLEMS.
You mean to tell me you find armor that adds no defenses besides those against Normal is worth the trouble of fighting through the Citadel and Vanaduke for?
Not particularly, but it's hardly worthless. It's simply that the sheer amount of normal damage in the game makes you a literal tank. You would have to try to die for several minutes before actually dying.
The shield is so-so because the amount of effort that's put in to get it isn't worth it. You can obtain a shield with Normal/Shadow with much less hassle involved.
The only other shield that has Shadow/Normal is Dread Skelly and what it resists is far less valuable. Given the only time you'll actually be using the shield is in the Citadel or as show-off armor, Crest of Almire > Dread Skelly. Would I suggest upgrading from DS to CoA? Not really.
And I already explained why the Fang of Vog isn't worth the hassle.
Its damage numbers are in the thousands. It is, quite literally, the strongest sword there is. Given you haven't used it, try not to call it worthless.
>Given the only time you'll actually be using the shield is in the Citadel or as show-off armor,
I've found the Crest of Almire to be very helpful in devilite and undead levels as well as FSC. It's the same deal with wearing Grey Owlite if there will be a ton of gun puppies or Barb if there is going to be a lot of jellies or wolvers. Now that BC is only 30 tokens it is kind of a no brainer. It is cheaper than crafting a 4* Skelly shield if you include recipes (and assuming you don't go revive crazy) based on elevator costs alone. You'll end up paying for the CE used running FSC anyway.
Than he is completely useless since combuster > FoV
I cannot take you seriously.