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Help Please: Comparison of Brandish Alchemy Paths

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Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:59
CygnusRising
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Pros and Cons

I'm currently using a Calibur-class weapon, and I like the speed, the controllable attack pattern, and normal damage type as compared to something like a Cutter, Spur, Troika, Flourish, etc. I'm considering looking into a Brandish to specialize my damage a bit more as it seems the most similar to Calibur line, and I'm curious about any input the Forums might have on the differences between Combuster/Galcius/Acheron build paths for the Brandish.

Now, obviously Combuster/Glacius is more of an argument of Fire status vs. Freeze status, so I'm interested to hear thoughts on that, but also what do most people consider Acheron for? The Shadow damage would be nice vs. Slimes and Gremlins, to be certain, but I have some curiosities about whether or not it's best to just go for the Acheron and not care about the status afflictions that can be dolled out by Glacius/Combuster and then use another weapon to kill Undead/Fiends... These are the kinds of questions I have.

Thoughts? Right now I'm leaning towards Glacius/Combuster because the normal damage seems more generally useful, although I could be wrong. Should I grab Acheron and then count on my Calibur for normal damage? Or Acheron + Combuster/Glacius over Acheron + Calibur?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 18:20
#1
ShideKnight
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I really like the brandish

I really like the brandish line, and i'll probably end up getting one or two sometime. Here are some thoughts:

1) I don't really see the point of the freeze, unless you're trying to run away or want to freeze gun puppies. I am assuming that generaly when you start attacking something with a sword, you are trying to finish it off which entails another strike after the freeze effect which as I understand that second strike will 100% break the freeze. If that is true, than the fire seems best because the proc won't be affected by hitting the mob more.

2) Looking at Acheron I would use it against shadow weak or shadow neutral enemies. I don't see much other reason to use it.

3) If you are into specializing the damage types of your weapons, I think it would be best to eventualy get Acheron and your choice of Combuster/Glacius since that would give you a damage bonus against 4 of the 6 mob types. The other two (beasts and fiends) are neutral against shadow/elemental respectivly, so you could get normal damage against those two. Although if you really wanted, you could also get a flourish or other piercer as a third weapon and have bonuses against all mob types.

4) If you want something that is all around neutral, it is probably best to stick with a weapon that does 100% normal damage so you don't have to worry about doing less damage to a particular type of mob.

5) Acheron might deal more flat out damage than Combuster, it depends how often and how large the fire proc on Combuster is. My only reference for the quality of fire procs is the Firotech Alchemer, but on this weapon at least it seems to be good. If anyone has specific information on Combuster vs. Acheron i'd like to hear it too.

Eventualy I plan to carry elemental/pierce/shadow weapons so I can get bonuses against all types.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 18:34
#2
Patchumz
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I recommend getting an

I recommend getting an elemental AND a shadow weapon, it'll cover all your bases for the most part. Piercing is luxury if you have issues with them and don't have an alternative.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 18:35
#3
Prisega
You're counting on Normal

You're counting on Normal damage from a Combuster/Glacius? They have the same damage as the Acheron when it comes to Normal damage. Acheron + Combuster gives you more advantages against enemies since you can switch to the Acheron against Gremlins and to the Combuster for Undead. Whereas you'll have the Acheron for Gremlins and Slime but only have regular damage against everyone else with the Calibur. I find that this is the best route to go for when weilding 2 of the same weapon.

Look at it like this:
Acheron + Combuster
Strong Against: Undead, Constructs, Gremlins, and Slime

Acheron + Calibur
Strong Against: Gremlins and Slime

Obviously neither of them has any monsters that they're bad against since monsters can only resist one attack type and given that you have two in the first scenario, the worst you'll be doing is neutral damage. The second scenario has a Normal damage type meaning that its not resisted. Now you also have to keep in mind that you'll have the same charge attack with the former and IMO the Calibur has a much better charge (so long as you're not spamming it into your teammates' faces). I'm also not an expert on how dual damage works out and that may also be a deciding factor.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 18:39
#4
soulfeast
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Well i haven't use anything

Well i haven't use anything except Glacius from Brandish line but i can say this. IT'S AWESOME!! You don't see a point of freeze? 2 words-Crowd Control.
My favorite thing is to freeze a bunch of enemyes in place, get behind them, wait for ice to melt(on t3 they get 200+ dmg when ice breaks) and chop the crap out of them till they turn arround.
If you time the charge right, it interupts any atack/cast. That means you can get in gun pupys face and stop it a second before it shoots. 1 more hit and its down.
Glacius is epic against undeads/mecha becouse its elemental , but it's really weak against gremlins/beasts. It can get really annoying when you have to kill healers (gremlins) but hey, who doesen't like the chalenge.
If you are aiming for Glacius, my advice is for you to save money and get CTR high or very high. Becouse when yor weapon hits lvl 10 heat, youll have Maximum or Ultra CTR. So that means you'll spam charge atack and that's ownage :D
And also, Glacius is awesome team weapon. If properly used it's good as any ice bomb. I got a friend with Divine Avanger, and mobs can't even come near us. He knocks them back i frost them in place. Till charge is up again, ice breaks(they take +dmg) And repeat.
Sooo, that's about it :)
Sorry for borring you with this but i can't say how much im pleased with this weapon.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 19:21
#5
RBurrito
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Get the Cautery Sword. Never

Get the Cautery Sword. Never look back.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:08
#6
CrashFu
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The point of Glacius is that

The point of Glacius is that you do a charge attack, heavily damaging and freezing half the enemies in the room. You proceed to butcher whatever didn't get frozen. Everything that was frozen, unfreezes and takes about as much damage as the charge attack did, then you mop them up. If you do it all right, staying calm and careful and.. dare I say... "chill"... then you take out mobs effortlessly.

Combuster is a bit different. You ignite half the enemies in the room with STRONG fire, and then either walk away and let them burn or start chopping to make them die a bit faster. It's very aggressive, results in lots of monsters dead quickly, but doesn't offer you any sort of protection during that.

Acheron is... well, it's for when you just want a no-frills sword that does dark damage. And looks like a katana. I guess it being a katana would be a bonus for people who are into that sort of thing, right?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:28
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ShideKnight
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I guess I should be more

I guess I should be more specific and say I don't see the point of having freeze on a sword. If I wanted to frost things in place I think I would use a gun or a bomb.

So that brings up another question. Why use a sword for CC?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:30
#8
Adder1
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Ignore the Cautery Sword

Ignore the Cautery Sword comment... That alchemy line only goes up to that. No 4- or 5-star recipes.

Glacius and Combuster only cause status effects on their charge attacks if I'm not mistaken. Most of the time, swordsmen tend to just use the standard weapon combos. I must say, unless you -really- want a sword to incinerate or freeze enemies (the Alchemer series of handguns do that job much better I believe) or prefer the quick three-hit style of these types of weapons, go for a different elemental weapon.

Acheron, on the other hand, I believe pretty good. Think of it as a faster Gran Faust minus the ability to curse. The fact that most swordsmen don't charge for their attacks for the most part isn't missed since there's no status effect to this weapon. And it eats up one of the most annoying types of enemies- Gremlins.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 20:30
#9
Patchumz
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>I guess I should be more

>I guess I should be more specific and say I don't see the point of having freeze on a sword. If I wanted to frost things in place I think I would use a gun or a bomb.

>So that brings up another question. Why use a sword for CC?

There is no point. Personally I'd go with Combuster, ESPECIALLY if you already use a shivermist or whatever.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:55
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Saberthwaite
The reason I use my Iceburst

The reason I use my Iceburst Brandish (Haven't found the stupid recipe for the next level yet), is I get approx. the same burst and dmg. from it that I'd get out of a similarly-priced bomb, with the added bonus that I can hit things with it when things are up close in my face. When you only have 2 slots and are unwilling to spring for a slot upgrade, that combination of bomb and sword is key.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:06
#11
soulfeast
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I think CrashFu pretty much

I think CrashFu pretty much explained why freeze on a sword is a good thing. Glacius is the weapon for ppl who don't like bombs/gunz *cough*me*cough*.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 15:43
#12
CrashFu
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@ ShideKnight: Why use a

@ ShideKnight: Why use a sword for CC?

1. Glacius' freeze is VERY dependable. It happens most of the time that you do a charge attack, and never when you don't do a charge attack, so you have complete control. With Cryo-drivers, you have to keep blasting away until it does eventually happen... ... and then accidentally unfreeze them when another bullet hits. Especially if you're charge-shotting into a group.

2. It's controllable in a different way. Sometimes you only want to freeze one thing (and maybe a random second nearby thing) and a gun is fine for that. Sometimes you want to freeze everything. But sometimes, you WANT to only freeze half of the monsters so that you can lure the rest AWAY from the frozen ones and attack them. Glacius is perfect for that.

2. The different strengths of freeze do greatly different amounts of damage if you let them thaw out on their own. With minor freeze (such as on the shivermist line bombs) you really SHOULD hit them with ANYTHING before they unfreeze. With medium freeze (such as on the cryo guns) you're still probably better off hitting them with a decent attack unless you really only care about the CC (in which case you should just go for the bomb) ... But with STRONG freeze? I am seriously NOT EXAGGERATING when I say the de-thaw causes them as much damage as the entire charge attack itself. It is massive. It usually finishes off the weaker enemies. It does normal damage (I think) so even if you hit a gremlin or beast with that Glacius the freeze is going to hurt them.

Seriously. If you see someone freeze a monster with a Glacius, don't you dare hit that monster with anything less than a really good charged attack. I'm not even kidding. It doesn't help to interrupt my multiple-hundred-damage de-freeze with a single almost-hundred of sword.

@ Soulfeast: Or you could get one of those big, hard-hitting, slow bombs and time it so that it goes off right after the monsters de-thaw. Mwahaha. Also, I've been told that the non-damaging charges from the new Catalyzer guns do NOT break freeze, which means you could hit them with the sword and then sit there attaching catalyzer charges one after the other all over the monster, with them helpless to avoid, and then blow them up after they de-thaw. >:D

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 15:58
#13
empie
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This man speaks the

This man speaks the truth.

Also Glacius makes graveyards a walk in the park. Never again will Phantoms rush you out from completely farming the level, since as soon as you see red bullets coming your way, you charge up and freeze them on the spot, then proceed to slash them dead. I kid you not, Glacius is extremely reliable for freezing.

After my experiences originally with my Blizzbrand and now my Glacius (Level 10), I can honestly say I would never ever trade it for a Combuster. I'm in the process of making a Divine Avenger next, and the only reason I'm making it is because of all the neat tricks you can pull off in FSC (Like opening Floor 27 "Arena style room" to heal before starting the event.), because as far as I'm concerned, Glacius is one of the best weapons in the game. (I plan to take Glacius, DA, and Argent to FSC, I'm not leaving that puppy at home)

As far as Acheron is concerned, it's an excellent weapon for dealing shadow damage, especially for killing menders quickly. Is it as remarkable as Glacius? Probably not, but it's possibly the best Shadow Sword in the game atm.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 18:15
#14
CygnusRising
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Thank you

Thank you all for your input. From the looks of it, I'm going to be crafting Brandishes in hope for a CTR UV and go from there, probably into Glacius, possibly adding on Acheron later on. Until then, Glacius + Leviathan lines should be pretty solid. Eventually, I'll just answer the questions once and for all by getting ALL OF THEM. ^_^

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