I suggest that if a team leader goes inactive for more than 2 minutes, the remaining team mates get a prompt that allows them to boot the leader from the team. It's really annoying when you go though three arena fights and the leader suddenly stops moving, forcing you to either go solo (and lose all your heat), or wait 10 minutes for the leader to return.
inactive leader boot option
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 16:18
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 16:42
#2
If anything votekicks are
If anything votekicks are griefers magnets. Some korean mmorpgs use game currency to just call a vote to kick someone to prevent griefing. In games where there is no fee for calling a vote it gets abused, people get vote-kicked even though they didn't do anything wrong. Being away from keyboard in your own party isn't anything wrong too, the crowns won't run away from you.
OP generally gets a yes from me if it costs 200 crowns from each player to vote for the kick. Why the 200 crowns fee? Because you strip the leader from heat, thats your penalty for being impatient.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 16:45
#3
You don't lose heat for going
You don't lose heat for going solo and even if it was true the developers could just make it so that when the leader gets vote-kicked he/she doesn't lose heat.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 16:49
#4
it does lose heat from going solo
+1 VOTE-KICKED
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 17:39
#5
@xiax
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Party
Specifically: "Remember that there are some draw-backs to going solo: any heat collected on that depth so far and items on still the ground will be erased."
~Gwen
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 00:02
#6
Couldn't want more
Afk team leaders are the second most annoying thing in this
Game! The first one is team leaders begging for energy or else
He won't get on the elevator...
Approved!
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 00:45
#7
How about this: if the rest
How about this: if the rest of the group in a party of at least three votes unanimously to kick a group leader, then if the group leader doesn't do anything in the next 30 seconds, he gets kicked. That would make it possible to kick a group leader who has vanished, without making it possible to kick a group leader for any other reason.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 02:32
#8
@jooozek
If anything votekicks are griefers magnets. Some korean mmorpgs use game currency to just call a vote to kick someone to prevent griefing. In games where there is no fee for calling a vote it gets abused, people get vote-kicked even though they didn't do anything wrong.
Unlike a true vote-kick option, an afk vote-kick option cannot be abused because it requires the leader to go afk for several minutes before you can use it. If the leader is running around to avoid afk detection then they are clearly griefing and can be reported.
Being away from keyboard in your own party isn't anything wrong too, the crowns won't run away from you.
Afking in a group wastes everyone's time. Normally the team leader would remove afkers. But if the team leader is afk then there's nothing you can do aside from go solo and lose all the heat they collected so far. The afk vote kick should solve that problem.
If You are solo and your party is locked then afking is not a crime. But you won't get vote kicked by your group if you are solo and afk.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 02:59
#9
Why do you want to strip me
Why do you want to strip me from my party on a boss run just because i had something important to do? When i go to Royal Jelly for the boss fight i need the party, what you do is basically destroying my whole run. How do you think i would feel if i started this party on 8th depth, some people joined as late as 12-13th floor and i have suddenly something more important to do than playing the game for 2 minutes, i come back to the game and what i see? Wasted last hour on going to the boss because someone had ADHD and no understanding for the other party.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 03:38
#10
Why do you want to strip me
Why do you want to strip me from my party on a boss run just because i had something important to do? When i go to Royal Jelly for the boss fight i need the party, what you do is basically destroying my whole run. How do you think i would feel if i started this party on 8th depth, some people joined as late as 12-13th floor and i have suddenly something more important to do than playing the game for 2 minutes, i come back to the game and what i see? Wasted last hour on going to the boss because someone had ADHD and no understanding for the other party.
Because afking as leader is a way to grief and troll your team. Sure, occasionally you might have an emergency every now and again. In that case you can tell your team that there is a problem and, if they aren't too eager to go on, they might decide to wait for you. But otherwise the team should have a way to deal with griefers who afk to waste everyone's time.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 03:55
#11
The same might be said about
The same might be said about the reverse, a bunch of trolls might've joined your party and while they are all silent currently they might wait for an opportunity to totally waste your time and believe me, there are people like that out there. Just by reading this forum you can see that some people go as far as going with a party of undergeared people inside a danger room, have them step on the button and then they kick each of them. This can be avoided with you being the party leader, what i usually do is joining a random party and then going solo instantly and i leave it open, i get all the control i need to fight with trolls, your idea exposes me to one, true way to destroy any effort i spent because i had something more important than a game to do at that time.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 05:51
#12
Jooozek, stop arguing man.
I
Jooozek, stop arguing man.
I actually think this would be a great idea. You could make an option where in the leader is afk for 2+ minutes everyone could send him solo.
About emergencies, usually if I have to go afk I'll tell my party members "Going to get lunch" or "Feeding my dog, brb". That's all you have to do and everyone knows you're busy.
Another thing I like to do before I leave is die. If I'm dead, I can still go down elevators and people can still hit the switches that summon bosses/enemy waves. If allows me to go afk but lets the rest of the party continue :)
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 05:56
#13
Noone here is arguing, we are
Noone here is arguing, we are just exchanging opinions.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 06:43
#14
Again like your other topic,
Again like your other topic, you're just asking for an argument
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 06:56
#15
Why exactly are you trying to
Why exactly are you trying to cause a catfight?
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 07:00
#16
@jooozek
Your opinions is a bit narrow in view, favoring only your best interests in the purpose of the party as though people's opinions on whether or not they should waste their valuable time whenever you feel like there's something more interesting to do is inconsequential. Being party leader doesn't automatically bestow you that right to decide, just as people having the ability to kick you off the team don't. If you do have something important to do, its common courtesy to let your mates know this so they can decide whether its worth waiting for you or not, though they are not obliged to, party leader or not. Maybe you don't feel their time is precious, but don't assume everyone else feels the same way. And seriously- if you set the time to play, you should at least plan ahead so other things don't get in the way. SK isn't a game you can drop whenever you feel like it- you're in constant activity going through levels and rarely time for any reprieve, and being hindered every few minutes along the way is frustrating to everyone else who are forced to wait on you. That said, its not an entirely difficult adjustment to the system to make sure it isn't abused to specifically address afkers rather than making it a thing people can do on a whim.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 07:18
#17
Its not really narrow, its an
Its not really narrow, its an opinion from a minority. Like i said, emergencies. When i say emergency it means that event that i have to stand up from my chair and instantly go and do something, not have a second to tell some strangers what i have to do. I'm not going to share with you what exactly those things are because i want to keep my privacy, okay? But i will tell you that there are things that are totally unpredictable or you know that are going to happen but you don't know if it will be in an minute or 10 hours. I understand that to most people things like that won't happen but you have to empathise and try to give some understanding.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 07:33
#18
I empathize and understand
I empathize and understand completely. But if it is as much as an emergency as it were, then something as petty as losing heat because of you getting kicked out of a party unwilling to wait for you to resolve your situation should come second in concern to the situation itself. Whatever consequence that should arise from it should be your responsibility, not something at everyone else's expense. It hardly matters in either case though- the game does have an autoboot if you're idle for 10 minutes. In the case of a party, its just 8 or 9 minutes more than they're willing to wait.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 07:46
#19
Losing heat doesn't really
Losing heat doesn't really matter to me as most times all my stuff is leveled up, i'm just concerned about spending the time to get to the boss and get booted out shortly before him. That is the reason i create my own parties when i predict that those things can happen and thats why generally i'm against this. But like i said, if there was a fee for the vote i could cope with it since it at least punishes griefers and is chump change to what OP would earn at the arena when he really needs to kick the leader.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 07:59
#20
Why would being booted be a
Why would being booted be a problem? You will end up back at the place you left off, just less a few party members and whatever heat you earned thus far. If you really do need them though, you can just invite friends over to cover for you.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 08:16
#21
People don't want to join
People don't want to join Royal Jelly Palace at a floor later than 14, if you join on 15th floor you will get only 2 tokens, 3 if the people who were from the start got 4, on 16th floor only 1, 2 if the people who were from the start got 4. Tokens aside another problem is the vials (not everyone has curse/poison/fire weapons) and vitapods (not everyone has love puppy trinkets). And there is the fact that not everyone is online / wants to do the boss even if they want to do Royal Palace itself and going alone on the Royal Jelly requires having at least 3 poison vials and as we all know pickups are for the ones who pick them up, i'm not the type to fight over the vials so i usually end up with the least amount of vials. And the only revive option is energy when soloing. But when i don't do boss runs i won't have a problem with you kicking even whem i'm the party leader and neither would you most likely bother with kicking the leader till you hit a party button.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 08:49
#22
There's a reason why people
There's a reason why people intending to fight Jelly King make it a priority to collect what they need in that instance. I make it a point to have at least three pills ASAP and everything else can be fought over by everyone else. I'll grab my poison, fire and curse vials, I prepare to solo with the right equipment (invested in a Vile Striker for these runs). If being in a party is so shaky, then you have to plan ahead for the worse-case scenario. Its really not a difficult situation that being denied party privileges could easily ruin. The same can be said that even if you do end up not booting people by the time you reach the boss, a lot of the time they will leave without warning (since the boss itself is not as profitable as the previous levels, tokens aside), leaving you to solo anyway and being back to square one if you didn't have the foresight to prepare or ask ahead of time if people would be accompanying you to the fight and to at least leave whatever items they picked up to you.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 15:50
#23
Another good option would be
Another good option would be to have the system pick a new (active) leader if the current leader is alive and afk for a certain time. That new leader can decide to boot or keep the afker. This system would be open collusion though. If the afker brought a friend then you might have to wait a while before you can move on.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:09
#24
I have a differemt idea
I have a differemt idea (sorry if already mention above), how about the upon successful vote, the leader goes on the last link of the Heiarchy thingy?
I would like this option as well. Most people use it as griefing, especially in PUGs where the party is half-through with a level and the leaders decides to afk, wasting a lot of time when people wonder where the hell he went.
I would like it to work more like a vote-kick system where the remaining group members can agree to boot him off.