Spiral Knights - Botting and CE

Botting and CE

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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 05:33

Gameboycolor

I've read many many pages here on CE markets and many opinions about price changes and walls etc.. This isn't about price:

What I've noticed is people saying (on the forum) they see hundreds of bids appear or change prices at a time. I've also noticed the market reacts very fast to certain offers (I don't even see them on the list b4 they are traded).

Even while I type this I saw 35+ offers of 6400c Per 100CE appear and disappear and then 30+ at 6300 just appear at once after.
As a player who expects to P2P (2.50 once or twice a month isn't bad for being able to finish the game) what are 3 rings doing to stop botters?

Note: For those who don't know what botting is, heres example. Traffic comes in from the server (eg trade data), the information is intercepted (collecting a price list) and fake responses are generated (price posts). If it can be done to an iPhone chat app it can be done with anything, specially if its just generic http or un-encrypted data. You may not even need the spiral knights client running to do so.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:40

RizuChan

Legacy Username

Hmm...

I've actually noticed this, and even wonder if maybe some players aren't using this technique to slowly but surely keep driving CE costs up and up and up...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:08

Jaerin

Legacy Username

How do you know it's 35+

How do you know it's 35+ offers and not just a single offer for 3500 energy? I'm not at all saying that bots non-existent in Spiral Knights, but your evidence is weak at best. It could just be someone who put in the wrong amount posted it and then hit the x to remove it. There ya go. Could be 1 person making 1 mistake.

That being said there is always going to be bots in every game. I can say being a VERY active participant in such communities that I have not seen any publicly available bots.

Also driving the CE prices up isn't necessarily the best way to make money. A "day trader" much prefers a volatile market, one that goes up and down in a very predictable ebb and flow. That way they can buy in and sell to make profits. Just holding CE and driving the price up gets a one time win-fall.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:12

Jaerin

Legacy Username

Oh BTW the # listed after a

Oh BTW the # listed after a particular price is the number of 100 CE lots have buy/sell orders for that price.

You can check this yourself by posting an order you'll see your number add to the given price. So there is no way for you to know that it was 35 separate orders or 1 person buy/selling 3500.

Considering some people have 10's or 100's of thousands of CE 3500 is chump change.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:29

Eeks

I don't understand how you

I don't understand how you have jumped to the conclusion that people are botting.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:58

Madadder

where there is an MMO there

where there is an online game there is always a bot

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 21:59

Patito

I just wrote an online game...

... to defy your generalization. My game is called "Riker's Beard" and in it, you attempt to shave Riker's face (number 1 from star trek the next generation) so that his face looks as it did in season 1, but it grows back way too fast so you can never win. It is cooperative with your friends online, so... yeah.

There is not currently a bot capable of playing it.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 21:33

Eeks

monkeyman135 where there is

monkeyman135

I don't really care if people are botting or not. I don't understand, based on his post, how he came to the conclusion that people are botting in regards to the CE market.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 21:35

Nodocchi

I don't really understand

I don't really understand either. I don't think this is botting at all, merely coincidence. A lot of energy change hands everyday, try looking at a real stock market, the speed and volume of trades will astound you, but I don't think anyone is botting in it.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 21:39

Patito

...actually

machines make trades IRL all the time.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 00:16

#10

Madadder

patito and eek5

@patito if i knew how to write a bot program i would so take that challenge since it is still possible (i also like how u said "just wrote an online game" like it takes a snap of a finger to make a bot program)

@eek5 it is true that there's no way he can fully know if bots are actually doing this. however, at times, there are ways to spot bot behavior since clearly bots can't act human there are some particular oddity in the way they operate. im guessing that is how he is making his assumption

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