What are the prices???

i just hope this is a bug and will be fixed.. else = bye. (the sole reason i'm still playing this is because i had some lucky crafts and could skip a major part of the grinding.. without the option to sell some stuff now this is hardly worth playing for fun)

Good thing I don't care about UVs that much.

Prices are:

UVs:
1: 15k
2: 75k
3: 375k

Unbind:
1 star: 100 ce
2 star: 200 ce
3 star: 600 ce
4 star: 1800 ce
5 star: 4000 ce

There is now a reason to want/need Crowns. CE prices may fall as a result.

The prices to unbind seem very very reasonable to me. For example, a 5* item requires 4k CE to unbind. That's around 250k crowns, and unbound 5* items sell for far more than that on the AH. People will pay that much, clearly, so that price seems perfectly sensible to me. I expect the profit margins on unbound items to be almost zero since it takes no skill to craft and/or unbind items. It does take a little time to gather heat, but that is very easy to do also, especially if you have people die on spikes in arenas and such.

The prices to craft UVs seems really low to me. Only 15k for one UV? Crafting a 3* gunslinger hat often enough to get a UV will cost more than that. Crafting the 3 UVs is expensive, but probably not expensive enough.

After some more experience with the system, I may change my mind, but for right now, I'm fine with the prices.

When they had described this they said the unbind cost will be roughly equivalent to the crafting cost. 200 CE for a 2 star? How is that even roughly equivalent to 50 CE, 400 crowns, and a few common materials?

And let's say I have a great 4 star weapon that I don't feel like using anymore. 1800 CE @ let's hypothetically assume 6500 crowns per 100 CE = 117000 crowns.

If I am to sell this item, I need to be pad 117,000 crowns just to BREAK EVEN, which does NOT include 1) the 10% cut from the AH if that route is chosen, 2) the cost of actually obtaining the item up to that point (energy, crowns, materials if applicable), and 3) any kind of profit whatsoever. Number 3.5) assuming you even have a buyer who can shell out for this and who actually wants to.

I honestly don't know what 3R was thinking. The whole point for unbinding the item is to resell it, and at these prices, reselling an item is not worth the costs, and the target consumers are only those who are ungodly rich. I understand all this is great for 3R because more energy = more money, but this is honestly just incredibly stupid. The trade channel is already targeted mostly for veteran players with lots of money (because 1. not a lot of new players know how to join it and it's not automatic, and 2. most of the things being sold in trade are UVs with hefty pricetags), and now THIS pricing will further separate the haves and have nots.

Come on.

The prices to unbind seem very very reasonable to me. For example, a 5* item requires 4k CE to unbind. That's around 250k crowns, and unbound 5* items sell for far more than that on the AH.

You only spent 1450 CE and 8,900 crowns actually making that 5 star. Throw in some more crowns to add to the price of materials, if you want. Heck, we'll highball it and call it 1000 CE worth, which is way off. That's still only 2450 CE plus ~9K crowns to make. Nowhere close to 4K CE.

Also, the only reason 5* prices are so high on the AH is because you CAN'T FIND THEM due to the whole bind mechanism. That mechanism has been removed by this patch. Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them, and I'd assume people are willing to pay much less for 5* items now that people can unbind them, instead of relying on a lucky drop or some old vet having a leftover lying around from before the binding patch.

5* items didn't cost that much because they were actually WORTH that much, but because they were incredibly rare to sell (worth here being crowns + CE + materials + some reasonable profit margin). Now, the price will likely fall a bit, but it will still be stupidly high because 3R made the unbind cost stupidly high for no reason (alright, other than the old "give us your money" one).

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seriously, if you had just kept going for another ten words...

5* items didn't cost that much because they were actually WORTH that much, but because they were incredibly rare to sell

They clearly were worth that much because they sold for that much. It is just that now, OOO will be getting the extra 4k-20k CE instead of players. I'm fine with that, OOO needs to eat too...

My only complaint is that I really wish that unbinding was crowns also, rather than CE, maybe at the rate of 10k crowns per 100CE. OOO would end up making just as much off of CE sales because the only way to get crowns is to run gates and running gates takes energy. If 50% of all energy used to run gates is CE and not Mist Energy, then the 10k crowns per 100CE would cause the same amount of CE to be spent.

They clearly were worth that much because they sold for that much.

That's not what I mean, and I already addressed that in my post. I guess you either ignored it or didn't read it. I mentioned myself in that post that the worth of an item = what someone is willing to pay for it. What I was talking about was the material worth: how much the item would cost if you added together the CE, crowns and materials for crafting it (assuming no UVs) and tacked on a reasonable profit margin. Obviously, people paid far more for these items pre-patch because the actual worth of the item was more than the material worth of the item due to extreme rarity. Two different worths.

If it costs me 100 bucks to make a phone that nobody else knows how to or can make, and I sell them for 300 bucks, you have two worths there.

I disagree partially with your statement on the crowns. They can go ahead and add crowns if they wish, I have no issue with that; but if they're going to do that, reduce the CE cost in the same measure. There is no need to make the prices even higher than they already are. It doesn't need to be drastic, but throwing crowns into the equation as well would make it even more of a rich person's game.

I like the update
The GM also stated it would be a premium service, so its not meant for everyone.
And also, no ones forcing u to use the new services. Its just there for those who can afford it.

And if the cost was "roughly thhe same as it costs to make the item" , then prices would drop and everyone will own a 5* set.

The service isnt for everyone. Dont like it? Dont use it then. Easy as that.

Why would I unbind a 1 star item?

To roll UVs. Maybe you accidentally equipped something. To sell rare items.

The question is why is it an issue with you if you don't think you would need to use it? It's for the above reasons that it exists.