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Dameonn
Guild Application

round what day did you start playing Spiral Knights (or how long ago)?: since Spiral Knights first hit steam

About how many hours do you play per day on average?: 2hrs-5hrs

About how many hours do you play per week on average?: 21hrs

What are your normal play hours (GMT): After school 12am-4am Saturday or sunday- Anytime

What tiers do you have experience with? (1,2,3+ shadow lairs?): i completed all tiers (have not done Shadow lairs at all)

Which of the regular bosses (if not all) have you killed?: Everyone one of them

Are you able to solo all content minus shadow lairs and danger rooms?: Yes (expect vana, never did solo before)

What shadow Lair bosses have you killed?:none : l

How you acquire energy?: Selling TF2 Items, arenas, vana runs etc.

Please list your current and strongest set(s) of gear: Vog cub coat and cap, Leviathan blade, Divine Avenger, Gran faust, Wild hunting blade, Super nova. Im all- around kind of person

Have you been in any guilds previously? If so, which ones? Have not been in any guilds yet

Are you active in Blastnetwork? Lockdown?: Yes and No, Depending on mood

And Finally:
Why should we accept you into our guild over the other applicants we get? Abit hard to answer....However, i can Support help if needed , if you need a extra person for anything i can be their to help :>.

Destroyerzx
Guild Join

In Game name: Destroyerzx
Real Name: Sergio

Around what day did you start playing Spiral Knights (or how long ago)?:
I stars Playing since August.

About how many hours do you play per day on average?:
4- 7hours.

About how many hours do you play per week on average?:
24hours.
What are your normal play hours (GMT):
2pm - 8pm or more.

What tiers do you have experience with? (1,2,3+ shadow lairs?):
1, 2, 3 .

Which of the regular bosses (if not all) have you killed?:
i have killed : Roumoulus Twins, Jelly King, Snarbolax and Lord Vanaduke.

Are you able to solo all content minus shadow lairs and danger rooms?:
I have not tried but maybe.

What shadow Lair bosses have you killed?:
to be honest i dont have been on the sahdow lair.

How you acquire energy?:
waiting or buying ce with cr.

Please list your current and strongest set(s) of gear:
Chroma Mask lv.10 ,Chroma Suit lv.10
Faust lv.6, Avenger lv.7 Horned Owlite Shield.

Have you been in any guilds previously? If so, which ones?
Team Fortress As Officer and Even Flow as Officer.

Are you active in Blastnetwork? Lockdown?:
Yes in both. More in Lockdown

Why should we accept you into our guild over the other applicants we get?
.Becouse, I am always helping people with missions, gifting things, i always help a friend called azulshonda to sell things and as a traslator. Also i know english and spanish i can be a translator.
I am always trying to improve my armor, weapons also i can help in anytime at anymoment.

Thank you for your time.
And sorry for my misspelling.

Chris's picture
Chris
Applicants please send friend

Applicants please send friend requests to the following people with a note saying "Knightmare Try-out"

Emily
Dukthepiper
Kennys-Knight
Timbalero
Ailment

Chris's picture
Chris
Trying some people out!Two

Trying some people out!
Two spots open atm.

Removed a couple inactives!

Lord-Void
im not gonna be on for the

im not gonna be on for the next two weeks or so be cause its vacation time for me cya all on the 15th

Chris's picture
Chris
Thanks for the notice

Thanks for the notice Lord-Void! :)

Just accepted 3 new members.
One spot open again

Venomousbiohazard's picture
Venomousbiohazard
Join?

Want to join knightmare! I will email you tomorrow about my stuff.

The-Ark's picture
The-Ark
Ill give this a shot

OK, here it goes.

Day i started playing: sometime in August 2011

Time i play per day on average: usually busy on weekdays, but i can squeeze in some time then usually. I'd say about 2-4 hours a day.

Time I play per week on average: About 12-18 hours.

Normal play hours: In GMT, about 4 p.m. to mabey 7 p.m. (i use mountain time so im about 7 hours behind you)

Tiers im experianced with: 1,2,3 and Shadow lair 1 (though im yet to beat it, lost on boss).

Regular bosses killed: All

Areas able to solo: All tiers, (excluding vanaduke) as well as tier 1 and 2 danger rooms.

Shadow lair bosses killed: None yet (im not wasting any more money on keys til i get some deadly virulisk armor for snarby)

How i aquire energy: Mostly by grinding, but i occasionally buy it (no more than 1600 at a time).

Strongest gear: I'll just list it all

Azure guardian set: Both level 10

Wise owlite sheild: All i need is the Grey owlite recipe

Quiksilver set: Both level 10

Leviathen Blade: Level 10

Hunting Blade: Level 8

Faust: Level 7

Silversix: Level 10

Magnus: Level 10

Toxic Catalyzer: Level 10

And (not that these matter):

Dusky, Regal, Toasty, Volcanic, and Devine Stranger Hats

All 3 Halloween Masks

Previouse Guilds:
The Devine Hunters
Echo

Active in Blastnetwork/Lockdown: Bkast Network not too much, lockdown yes

Other information:

Gender: Male

Age: I will not say my exact age, but ill say between 14 and 18

Why I should be accepted: I am mature, I am friendly, and i never abuse any power i get in guilds. I also give materials to those who need them ( I have way to many).

Chris's picture
Chris
Thank you for following

Thank you for following directions 100% Gingermace. It was quite a pleasent change from a lot of applicants. Lol.

The-Ark's picture
The-Ark
Why thank you.

Why thank you.

Chris's picture
Chris
So have you had your tryout?

So have you had your tryout?

Scarred-Knight's picture
Scarred-Knight
Apologies for those waiting for tryouts

Council members have been rather busy as of late, we try to get around to doing tryouts, but for the most part this largely depends on if we can find someone who we can boost off of so we can get it started soon. Also, a couple of the council member's (mine included) pass has expired, so we are not quite as willing to go out of our way to do these tryouts, although we still try to do them.

Apologies in advance for those waiting, we try to get around to doing them, and apreciate your support in Knightmare.

Chris's picture
Chris
Ailment? Not familiar with

Ailment?
Not familiar with your forum name if so.

Jackbryre
On Available Slots

'lo folks. A quick query: are you still accepting members or has the last spot already been taken? Just wanted to know before filling out an application.

Thanks,
-Jack

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Scarred-Knight
@Chris

Yup, only name I can post under...

Kusnim
Application to join

I do not know if you are still recruiting but I guess I'll give it a shot.

Around what day did you start playing Spiral Knights (or how long ago)?: Around last year August to October

About how many hours do you play per day on average?: 3h-5h usually, but weekends may go up to 6h.

About how many hours do you play per week on average?:Multiply it by 7 please.

What are your normal play hours (GMT):Weekdays its 12pm-1pm start. Weekends its 2am-3pm... quite random timings on weekend.

What tiers do you have experience with? (1,2,3+ shadow lairs?): Tier 1, 2, 3.

Which of the regular bosses (if not all) have you killed?:Snarbolax, Roarmulus, Jelly King, Vanaduke

Are you able to solo all content minus shadow lairs and danger rooms?:Not for FSC, but the rest yes.

What shadow Lair bosses have you killed?:None

How you acquire energy?:Buy from market.

Please list your current and strongest set(s) of gear:
4*: Ascended calibur, Avenger, Vile Striker, Silversix, Ash Tail set, Dark Thorn Shield.
3*: Swift flourish, Kamarin*, Dusker set (All for LD) and Horned Owlite shield*, Freezing Vaporizer Mk II*, Tempered calibur*, Kilowatt pulsar
* on weapons represents UVs... All are CTR low except horned owlite shield with fire resistance low and Kamarin ASI low

Have you been in any guilds previously? If so, which ones?
The Sleepy Kats, Lockdown Legends, Mugiwara pirates, Loose Gear

Are you active in Blastnetwork? Lockdown?:
Lockdown... Very active.

Why should we accept you into our guild over the other applicants we get?
I may seem noob with only 4* gears but I am an active player and is advancing fast to 5* with the help of some friends. Also, I am mature with fairly good playing skills in Spiral knights. I observe the rules and do not annoy people. I love going on runs and participate actively.

Jackbryre
Application

It seems like other people are still applying, so I suppose I’ll give this a shot as well:

Around what day did you start playing Spiral Knights (or how long ago)?:
I discovered the game on Saturday, January 7, 2012, the same day of my registration.

About how many hours do you play per day on average?:
I've clocked around 5 or 6 hours in the game thus far, and intend on playing a lot more in the future. As for how many hours I get a day, Monday through Thursday, it’s likely I won’t be able to squeeze any time in due to schoolwork. Friday through Sunday, however, I should be able to fit in about 3 or 4 per day. During school vacations, however, I should have at least 5 a day.

About how many hours do you play per week on average?:
Again, I probably won't be able to play Monday through Thursday. However, it's highly likely I will be online Friday evenings, and afternoons on Saturdays and Sundays, depending on shopping and outside-activity schedules. So on average, I estimate about, oh, 9 hours maybe?

What are your normal play hours (GMT):
I operate more or less on GMT +5. Again, my playing hours really depend on what I have scheduled, but on average I estimate I could be on from: around 5:30 or 6:30 PM to 8:00 or 8:30 PM, sometimes 9:00 if I can sneak it in, on Fridays; and most or all afternoon and a large chunk of the evening on weekends.

What tiers do you have experience with? (1,2,3+ shadow lairs?):
I have done quite a few solo excursions in Tier 1. However, being a greenhorn and rather ill-equipped, the farthest I've gone is the first Terminal.

Which of the regular bosses (if not all) have you killed?:
Unfortunately, in my limited time of playing SK, I have not yet encountered any bosses.

Are you able to solo all content minus shadow lairs and danger rooms?:
Up to now, all my experiences in the Clockworks have been solo (I think I've only gone on one party expedition, back during the Rescue Camp portion of the game). Due to my level, it's doubtful I'd be able to solo all content, though I feel I'm able to hold my own in a fight.

What shadow Lair bosses have you killed?:
None yet.

How you acquire energy?:
As of currently, I have no energy stored, only what’s in my mist tank. In the future, I intend to acquire energy through the trade feature.

Please list your current and strongest set(s) of gear:
Seeing as I don’t have a lot of gear, I’ll just list everything. Please bear in mind, I’m currently in the process of saving up for better stuff.
Weapons: Beast Basher (Level 7), Proto Sword (Level 3), Proto Gun (Level 7)
Armor: Spiral Sallet (Level 7), Fencing Jacket (Level 7), Spiral Culet (Level 3), Iron Buckler (Level 7), Proto Shield (Level 2)

Have you been in any guilds previously? If so, which ones?
Darklords Castle

Are you active in Blastnetwork? Lockdown?:
My first day of playing, I unwittingly set myself up for a game of Blastnetwork, and promptly went on to blow myself up more times than I can count. I haven't entered since, but I think I can now safely play without detonating a bomb in my face every five seconds. However, I think my primary focus for now will be exploring the Clockworks and trying to get more gear and crowns so I don’t expect to be particularly active in either of them.

Why should we accept you into our guild over the other applicants we get?
Even though I'm a fledgling player and perhaps not the most active, I believe I have a lot to offer to the guild in terms of skill in the game and ability to strategize and socialize with other players. I am a mature and amiable individual capable of demonstrating patience, loyalty, confidence, discipline, integrity, and team spirit. My aim is not to use Knightmare as an easy way to obtain loot and level, but rather to become part of an active player community and grow with the guild. I hope to learn from and fight alongside other members of Knightmare, while interacting with players from around the world and contributing positively to the guild. In short, while I most definitely am not the strongest or best-equipped candidate, I still feel that I would be a good addition to Knightmare, and would be honored if I could join.

Firene
pls may i join your guild

pls may i join your guild chris i wanna join

Chris's picture
Chris
We are always recruiting as

We are always recruiting as we always have people going inactive.
We currently have 2 inactive members who can be booted if a promising applicants turns up.

We also urge anybody interested to hold off until you are in full 5* gear as you will most likely not be accepted, not that you cant apply again in the future, just that it wastes our time.

Gromicus
Knightmare application

Ok so here we go

I started playing spiral knights 3 months ago

How much do I play per day? I usually play about 4 hours a day on the weekdays and 6 on the weekends

Per week? My steam says about 40

Play hours: weekdays: in the evenings around 5-9 weekends: noon-3 7-midnight

I have good experience with all tiers exept the shadow lairs

I have killed all the bosses exept shadow lair ones

I can solo most everything exept vanaduke gives me a little trouble sometimes

I haven't killed any shadow lair bosses

I acquire ce mostly from FSC runs

Here is my list of my gear:
Armor: full skolver, helm(medium normal defense uv) armor(low elemental defense uv)
Swords: Divine Avenger, Barbarous Thorn Blade(very high slime dmge uv), silent night blade
Shield: Grey owlite shield(medium piercing defense uv)
Guns: pulsar(currently working on) sentenza(undead dmge medium uv)

Previous guilds: wkd's

Blast network and lockdown: hardly ever play blast network, I love LD I'm pretty good too :P

Why accept me over others? Because I think myself to be very loyal to my guilds, I am active in guild activities and I help out members whenever I can. I also feel I can help your nice guild in runs or SL runs, i think i will be useful In and out of the clockworks. Thank you for taking time to read my lengthy post!

Gromicus
Knightmare application

Ok so here we go

I started playing spiral knights 3 months ago

How much do I play per day? I usually play about 4 hours a day on the weekdays and 6 on the weekends

Per week? My steam says about 40

Play hours: weekdays: in the evenings around 5-9 weekends: noon-3 7-midnight

I have good experience with all tiers exept the shadow lairs

I have killed all the bosses exept shadow lair ones

I can solo most everything exept vanaduke gives me a little trouble sometimes

I haven't killed any shadow lair bosses

I acquire ce mostly from FSC runs

Here is my list of my gear:
Armor: full skolver, helm(medium normal defense uv) armor(low elemental defense uv)
Swords: Divine Avenger, Barbarous Thorn Blade(very high slime dmge uv), silent night blade
Shield: Grey owlite shield(medium piercing defense uv)
Guns: pulsar(currently working on) sentenza(undead dmge medium uv)

Previous guilds: wkd's

Blast network and lockdown: hardly ever play blast network, I love LD I'm pretty good too :P

Why accept me over others? Because I think myself to be very loyal to my guilds, I am active in guild activities and I help out members whenever I can. I also feel I can help your nice guild in runs or SL runs, i think i will be useful In and out of the clockworks. Thank you for taking time to read my lengthy post!

Gromicus
Oh oops sorry for double post

Oh oops sorry for double post

Gromicus
Ok sorry for the quad posts

Ok sorry for the quad posts :3
If I have forgotten anything plz notify me! :D
Ign:Gromicus

Erridunno's picture
Erridunno
I noticed the "17 months of

I noticed the "17 months of success" part in ur thread title which is a little bit of a fail since the game hasn't even been out that long. i think

Njthug's picture
Njthug
@Erridunno

Sharkiez created Knightmare in beta long before Chris actually joined Knightmare. Knightmare was pretty good for about 2 months in Beta then died off....and same goes to launch Knightmare started a bit strong, and then vanished for a good 2 to 3 months, and now is back alive again, so the "17 months" is most likely a bit of false advertising I guess, but the guild has been alive for over 1 year, but the ownership has changed due to Chris aka Christina stole the name after beta due to Sharkiez logging in one day after the launch.

Chris's picture
Chris
The 17 months is from the

The 17 months is from the time I took over knightmare until today.

Kennergy's picture
Kennergy
If you are not interested in

If you are not interested in applying, please move on. No need to try to make us look bad. We don't do it to you.

Njthug's picture
Njthug
@Kennys --- I have no reason

@Kennys --- I have no reason to make you guys look bad at all....I was answering a question a player asked about the title it is misleading.

@Chris --- Game has not gone public for 17 Months, and the last time I talked to Sharkiez after beta...he was upset he was not the true owner of Knightmare makes me wonder if you even had ownership during beta, but regardless it dosent matter to all the beta players the guild you call yours is forever Sharkiez easily one of the coolest players who would yell at you for wearing a chaos set lol.

The-Thor's picture
The-Thor
haha

Admit it, I agree with NJ here. It was pretty cheap to just take the name from the real owner.
Actually, it makes me wonder, is Sharkiez even in your guild?
Probably not. But NJ, remeber, NO trolling!!!
Chris i dont mean to troll around and i think its a really good guild, but man... really?

Njthug's picture
Njthug
@The-thor

I don't mean to troll at all just hate when facts don't line up. Why lie even on the internet. Regardless, I think I answer the question Erridunno asked.

The-Thor's picture
The-Thor
?????

NJ, you online? i sighned up for EoS once, but i got denied i guess.
oh well gonna be in coup de grace lil bit later. but i like your style bro
send me a friend request or somethin...
but with all my heart, i respect Knightmare. so Chris, dont hate me for this

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Pickle-Head
i wanna give it a shot

date i started: about in november
how long i play per day 1-2hrs
week 7-10hrs
tier experience: 1,2 and sorta the beginning of t3

snarby? yes'
twins? yes
JK? yes
vana? no
solo'd or been to the core?
no

gear?

blizzbrand 4* lvl 10
rock jelly shield 4* lvl 7
brute jelly helm 3* lvl 10
brute jelly mail 3* lvl 10
toxic catalyzer 3* or cyrotech mk 2 3* lvl 10

previous guilds?

in the jelly
elemental knights
kill lucas
lost heros
jelly hunters

active on PvP? yes!

Chris's picture
Chris
@ ThorSharkiez was inactive

@ Thor
Sharkiez was inactive for like 6 months when I took over Knightmare due to complete lack of leadership.
Sharkiez didn't even come back for more than a week after the game released and asked me for a guild invite and then removed himself when he went inactive.

@ nj
Sharkiez was never upset.
People have sent me screenshots of you making up stories in haven about us to make us look bad.
Anymore troll posts here will be emailed to support.

Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle
"Complete lack of

"Complete lack of leadership".

I lol'd.

EDIT: Now for the reason I lol'd since, looking back a few hours after the fact, I'm sure it's not clear to pretty much anyone but myself why that's funny because of how tired I am. I would like to note though, that I'm not intending to be offensive in any way since that seems to be an issue here, I'm merely pointing out what's being perceived as nothing more than a bystander.

----------------------

You claim that "Knightmare" wouldn't be where it is today without you. That much is inherent simply by how you carry on in here and around the forums; whether or not you directly claim that is not my concern. Even with that in mind, there's no doubt that Knightmare is a big guild, and it must be assumed that you've done something right as a result, so I will commend you for that. But the statement I quoted - a complete lack of leadership - just comes out funny coming from the current leader of anything.

This next part is just grounded in pure opinion and you're free to disregard it if it doesn't hit you just the right way, but a guildmaster that's completely committed to a guild - that's inclusive of all events, past, present, and future - wouldn't outright state that the previous GM demonstrated a complete lack of leadership, not in such a public manner at least. If you want to say such things within the guild, by all means do so, but showing that sort of public disrespect shows to everyone else is that you have some sort of axe to grind or point to make, and at the very least, it shows that you can't appreciate your own guild through everything it has actually been through, but rather just the things that would make the guild look good under your leadership in comparison to someone else's.

In essence, it's almost like you're trying to prove to yourself more than anyone else that Knightmare's better now than it was in the beginning.

The-Thor's picture
The-Thor
be mature

@Everyone
Guys... calm dowwwn and take a chil pill or something. NO more TROLLING Knightmare or Christina.
Who cares? Sharkiez can just post a complain on Christina or somethin....
@Chris
Im sorry if you felt like you were being critisized. I was just trying to make a point there.
(Give me a call xD)
@Njthug
Bro, i understand you and all that, but believe what Chris said... Sharkiez
became inactive and just kicked himself out. I think you made your point
pretty clear here.

No offence to anyone, but I sorta defend the KNightmare, so... Leave them alone or I will Bite YOU!!!!

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Iron-Volvametal
Challenge Accepted.

Come at me, Brah.

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/ve3d/images/02/60/26004_IronManHulkbusterSuit_...

(I have no Idea why I'm here. I was just too Bored Looking at the Other Forum Sub-Sections.)

Chris's picture
Chris
You have a very good

You have a very good imagination NJ

But heres how it actually happened...
Sharkiez logs on for the first time 10 days after the game releases.
PMs me "Ohi"
I send him guild invite
He removes himself 2 days later and never logs on spiral again

The-Thor's picture
The-Thor
lol

okay.. dud i understand :)
well no more fight

Chris's picture
Chris
Nj this game was in alpha

Nj this game was in alpha testing almost 2 years ago.
That fact alone points out your lies.
Thanks for your time troll.

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Pinkblobkirby
IGN: Pinkblobkirby Around

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Chris's picture
Chris
We are celebrating our 17th

We are celebrating our 17th month of existence.
Dun be mad.

Njthug's picture
Njthug
@Christina

Christina I can't be mad at you for not being able to do simple math since everyone knows from beta Knightmare hasn't been around for 17 months and was not even an active guild for moth its existence, but hey I guess the bar for being successful is not as high for certain players regardless have fun leading Sharkiez guild.

Dukthepiper's picture
Dukthepiper
@Njthug

Man NJ really tries to keep up on his Knightmare history... Here's to our biggest fan! Thanks njthug!

Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle
"Man NJ really tries to keep

"Man NJ really tries to keep up on his Knightmare history... Here's to our biggest fan! Thanks njthug!"

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Dukthepiper's picture
Dukthepiper
What?

Mmm i'm going to go ahead and say that's not a proven statement. more of a theory. and doesn't really have any relativity to this.

Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle
Ah, but indeed it does have

Ah, but indeed it does have relativity to the topic being discussed right now. You see, if Nj wasn't as privy to the knowledge at hand, eventually he'd make the same mistake. And if I were a GM, I'd do everything I could to keep from doing things such as false advertising, overstretching my guild's reputation for my own personal benefit, and things of that nature. So it's not so much a "theory" as it is a general rule one should abide by, regardless of the situation.

Ball's in your court, champ.

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Dukthepiper
Pretty sure the history was.

Pretty sure the history was. Beta guild leader went MIA... Chris took over... so if NJ goes MIA and Chris takes over his guild... that would be history repeating itself :D

Champ ;D

Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle
Which has absolutely no

Which has absolutely no relevancy at all whatsoever, because I'm pretty sure Dogrock or... hell, anyone in his guild in general wouldn't let that one happen.

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Germanese
Application

Around what day did you start playing Spiral Knights (or how long ago)?: Wed 18th 2012 Around 8pm Central time, i forget bc i had a stomach ache.

About how many hours do you play per day on average?: 2-3 hours unless i squirrel and do something else

About how many hours do you play per week on average?: Shrugs ,... Depends what I find to do after work

What are your normal play hours (GMT): 6-12PM Central Time

What tiers do you have experience with? (1,2,3+ shadow lairs?): 1 and 2

Which of the regular bosses (if not all) have you killed?: The Shadow Wolf Fox looking Viech

Are you able to solo all content minus shadow lairs and danger rooms?: I am not sure, but pretty sure i will die trying

What shadow Lair bosses have you killed?: Non who is that ? Can i get fired by the boss ?

How you acquire energy?: Daily energy or buy via Crown

Please list your current and strongest set(s) of gear: Skeleton Armor/shield and Jelly Helm

Have you been in any guilds previously? If so, which ones? Nope no one ever talks in towns ... its quite sad.

Are you active in Blastnetwork? Lockdown?: Not sure what that is, only thing coming to mind is, I am with T-Mobile ? LOL and my phone is Unlocked ?

And Finally:
Why should we accept you into our guild over the other applicants we get?
I am a very funny character very easy to get along, though I do say odd things here and there that make no sense. I know my manners, i respect female and younger gamers. I get quiet upon drama and will do my own thing when i smell drama. Not very Drama Compatible i am. I listen and talk my mind so you will always get the true opinion of things. AND then I just wanna have some fun gaming online again haven't played a MMO since i owned a mac.
This is one of few only MMO for a Mac that runs smooth and is cute LMAO. Cultural defective, though fit in any culture very nicely. German/Viet/American all three language Fluently. Just don't speak Spanish to me I will just reply Tacobell back at you LMAO

Chris's picture
Chris
Retequizzle stop showing how

Retequizzle stop showing how mad you are. Honestly if you have nothing better to do than rage in our guild recruitment thread then you really need to get out more.
@ Germanese Let me know when you are online for a tryout!

@ duk
Ret has been brainwashed by NJ it seems, lol.