Spiral Knights - An Ice Boss

An Ice Boss

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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 01:31

pikachupower

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I like the skolver suit, but I see that not many ppl use it b/c vanaduke is fire based, so then I suggest to three rings that they createe an ice boss.
I think its a great idea, since ice is as troublesome as fire, and it could be tier 3 boss, like a rival or opposite to Lord Vanaduke, like another giant or maybe just a dragon (since dragons and knights have correlated with each other for ever since).

Phase 1: the dragon has three heads, and attacks with just random lunges of its necks, and it tries to bite you, and when it tries to rewind its heads, you attack its body. The process is repeated.

Phase 2: When you attack it enough, all three heads roar and release monsters from side doors, which range from ice jellies to maybe some ice lumbers. Then the dragon heads blast ice everywhere and try to attack you. But if you time it right, you can dodge the ice and get to the body and repeat attacking

Phase 3: The dragon starts walking and it tries to whip you with its tail, while at the same time trying to shoot ice at you. Possibly, there could be props where gunpowder lays around you have to activate switches to light it up, which burns off its tail, and while it tries to regenerate it tail, you attack it and thats when the other two head break into shards

Phase 4: Final phase where the dragon goes berserk and tries to slam at any player it sees, then uses its head to bite you, then you have to be careful and try to hack it and not let it see you (similar to Vanaduke), until the dragon collapses and becomes destroyed

That's the general idea I have and I really want a tier 3 ice boss, so the skolver and vog cub have uses of their own. If anyone has any suggestions please post them. Still thinking a story and a name for it, as again any suggestions are welcomed.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 06:11

Negazero

I like this idea!

The idea has a good reason for it to be made,and the battle seems interesting.I would maybe add a few more heads,so like when you finish a phase,one or some shatter,therefore giving a "name".I was thinkng Hydra,cuz it has multiple heads.I do have to point out 1 thing...Skolver is 4* and Vog is 5*,so Skolver whould be a little unmatched.But thats not a big problem...great work!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 07:08

tuiopo96

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1 thing skolver is 5* like

1 thing skolver is 5* like vog cub >.< http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Skolver_Coat . Ash tail is 4*. Btw nice dragon idea. I would love to see dragons in this game^^

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 07:11

Duke_Nukem

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Well

Frostibones counts.

(if you don't know, he's a rare tier 3 ice arena boss)

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 08:38

ConeyKrab

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Frostibones?

I haven't heard of frostibones, and I haven't seen a wiki page for him. Do you have anything about him, or are you just making stuff up? ;)

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:01

pikachupower

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Frozen Shamblers

Another idea could be that the zombies that deal ice attacks, Frozen Shamblers, could be in the depths, since Vanaduke has his fire zombies, the dragon depths could have its own zombies but with ice of course. The dragon I think is based on the hydra, and maybe if it could regrow its heads, it would make it more exciting, that's what ideas are for so, so keep them coming!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:38

Hyperleon

ideas for boss name

i got some ideas for the boss names ice dragon , hydrafroze ,subhydra ,blizzarra ,and blizdragoon it sounds like cool names to me

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:38

Psychorazer

^_-

Not to be a downer...but some of those ideas seem ...used...?

Dragoon is that bit beast off beyblade, Icedragoon would immediately be likened toward him, thought-wise, not character appearance-wise.

Blizzarra sound like materia off the Final fantasy series.

Ice dragon... a bit cliché?

Hydrafroze and Subhydra sound good though. ^^

I don't mean this to be a bash post btw, juts that some...ok you get the point hopefully...

other suggestions... I'm not too good with names, so maybe a combination or mix and match?
Deepfreeze? (That sounds a bit cliché -_-) Sublime? Subdrake? Ice Drakeon? (Play with the sound..it's supposed to sound like 'dragon'.)

I dunno. I really suck at names...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:50

IronBrofist

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...

i kinda like the idea for this but that seems like it would be to easy of a boss if u ask me it seems way to easy of a boss
i like the bosses like the twins and snarb i dont think its very challenging when the only challenge is run over and hit this a few times till it falls to the ground and says "hurget blarg" while twitching i mean if they were to make a dragon/hydra boss i personalty think that for the first phase itll be a run here hit this second phase it flys into the air and is out of reach from bombs and sword so ur forced to use ur gun until it lands give it a flight time of o say 5-10 seconds and lands for 15 seconds before flying away again and on the third phase its the same as the second but it burrows like snarb but doesn't do any damage while underground just stay under for 10 seconds and summons ice cubes and then comes out again for the fight to continue weather or not u killed the cubes or not at least putting in a little bit of challenge into the come here hit this and then leave kinda of game play

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:55

Facejuances

If you want a dragon, instead

If you want a dragon, instead of ice zombies or jellies, his minions should be chromalisk because they are more reptilian-like

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:01

#10

IronBrofist

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you have a point ^

but i really like gel cubes -.-

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:28

#11

Psychorazer

Teehee

Heh, recently , I've become crazy over jellies. Got around 5K on a t1 round where there was a energy gate arena with a whole lotta gel cubes. Jelly...everywhere O_O (Muncha).

Actually, the type of creature doesn't matter,only the element type. The roarmulus are both dragonicish (Kinda like gunpuppies) but the monsters are the spider thingies.

JELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:55

#12

Negazero

Whoops...

I typo'd and said 4* and stuff...=P.

Also Valkyrie,Roarmulus Twins ARE gun puppies.

Look here:http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Roarmulus_Twins

And yeah...I like grinding in T1 danger rooms,when Im T2.=)

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:01

#13

Psychorazer

Oops..hehe

Kewl, giant mutant gunpuppies...I want one...

Ima T2-er messing wth the T1 stages 2. AWESOME!! Snarbolax is a pushover, beat him on my own with 2* gear.

Bt still, jellies are cool for this. Geddit? 'Cool'?

Jellies are like universal opponents. Versatile for any field.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 23:26

#14

pikachupower

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Ideas

I decided over ice jellies b/c when you kill them they create a ice field, so you have to be careful if you kill them, or you'll be frozen, then the boss can get you.

I never thought the dragon having flight, but that would be cool, so keep the ideas going!

For the background story, maybe the dragon was one of the last of its species, until it accidently got frozen over a cold spot or something like a freeze plume. Maybe it mutated, but I really like the skolver, and the ice dragon is my idea.

Also I like how you guys made names, I just hope the people try this idea

THE ICE DRAGON WILL LIVE (Not its name)

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 23:30

#15

pikachupower

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Oh yeah

I almost forgot

@IronBrofist: its still in progress, (so if anyone has ideas to make it hard just blurt them out), and the dragon can be hard, I just want to compete against the vog cub suit, so I understand how you feel, even Vanaduke is hard, even with vog cub, so the idea is a prototype

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 03:00

#16

Selenthon

The "Dragon"

A three headed dragon is technically called a Hydra...

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 07:57

#17

Facejuances

@Valkyrie182 the roarmulus

@Valkyrie182 the roarmulus are giant robot gunpuppies and the "spider thingies" are robots too. Vanaduke is considered undead and his guards are undead too, besides another boss with jellies is repetition. Maybe add a new enemy baby dragon?

Or a whole new idea if you really like jellies: THE RETURN OF JELLY KING!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 08:22

#18

Hyperleon

i dont know

i dont know it looks like u now what your doing and some great names too

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 08:30

#19

Ecyrbb

Nicely done

I like the idea not a big fan of the wolver sets but i still thing it's a good idea. Also this might spawn some armor updates like a Ice plate mail or demo suit.

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 12:00

#20

IronBrofist

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skolver

if u ask me the dragon should be named skolver and for one of the prizes should be the fang on skolver that does piercing/elemental damage and can freeze u and ur target same as the fang of vog

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 14:39

#21

pikachupower

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@ Selenthon

Actually a hydra can be considered a water dragon with multiple heads, that regrow when one is cut. In mythology, if you burn the necks, they can't grow back. but the dragon's body is singular of course, but it still hasn't received a name yet...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 00:58

#22

pikachupower

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Any

To tell the truth, I just want a ice boss, the skolver would be a cool boss, I just need a ice boss, so it can teach ppl to not underestimate the power of the skolver suit, or any suit that doesn't deal fire resist.

Also I had this idea where instead of trojans, giant lichen colonies (probably 2 each would be at a trojan spot, since vanaduke called dibs on them)

so just a ice boss, at least to be ice type...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 03:34

#23

ConeyKrab

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Oh, I almost forgot

Dragons are one of the cliche suggestions among this forum. With all this talk of pets, jobs, dual wielding, and dragons, people really seem to be trying to shape this game into a cookie cutter. Freeze would definitely be a suitable theme for T3 to put those vog coat wearers in their place. :)
If you look at the themes used, there's been beast, jelly, construct with a hint of gremlin (they're probably saving this for T4/the core or whatever), and fire with a bit of undead. Freeze, shock, fiend, and poison have not been used at all, so I'm sure the remaining bosses will have something to do with those. Since poison feels too natural, the theme might feel repetitive in T1, so the other T3 boss could maybe be a frozen-over sprite forest? Most of the monsters would be frozen, with the occasional hypnotized poison type or sprite or something, and I'm not sure about the boss, maybe something decently bombable seeing as the other bosses aren't. The T1 could have something to do with getting some information out of a fiend office complex, and one of the levels could be "Shocking Company Secrets" and feature some shock enemies. And one of the other levels could be a cubicle maze, just for kicks? ;)
The boss would probably a large gremlin or something, not necessarily the CEO because he's a bit too big and important to kill off at T1. A T1 fiend base could really help teach new players how to fight gremlins.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 09:14

#24

Akher

I like....

Only the Ice boss idea.
Like someone said (ConeyKrab and I think Valkerye182, prob someone else) the dragon is a huge "I want to see some awesome creature that other sword games have"... don't try it.
SK has good creatures, they make this game "kind of original" by not putting dangerous dragons, orcs, or giants. (Besides Varnaduke, huge guy). I'm pretty sure OOO wil find a cool creature desing for this "will be good to have" boss.

(I give it a + to the ice themed boss.)

[I will actually like to have all kinds of Creatures - Status bosses.]

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 09:22

#25

Akher

Of curse...

I know SK could only have some few bosses since there are only 12 places to put them, and 4 are already taken.
(And also.. it will be kind of difficult to run each Tier with a boss.)

Just a suggestion.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 09:52

#26

Darkribbon

Token and new weapons

Nice idea pikachupower. Btw if you were going to make that ice hydra you would need to make a new token that that ice hydra would drop.

Maybe you can call it "frost bits".

And you would need to think of new ice weapons you can buy with your tokens you get
when you defeat the hydra.

Btw great idea pikachupower.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 10:08

#27

Soulstaker

Dragon is over used

Guys dragons are over used.So far every medievil game i see a quest to kill a dragon.But if they add 1,at least think up a cool one like one with a greek name.

Im not really into greek but is very into greek myhtology.So far I only know 1 dragon in the myths and its a sea dragon (i think its a dragon).

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 12:15

#28

IronBrofist

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@ gerryw173

dude Everything is over-used

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:44

#29

pikachupower

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Opportunity

well, the rewards for defeating a ice boss would be need to be thought out, since the glacius and the hail driver take the guns and swords. And the shivermist buster takes the bomb. However, there are so many weapons that take overlap, so then what about a bomb that instead of a ice field, it creates a ice explosion, kind of like the firecracker, and a armor, of the megalodon, I saw it in the preview video, and a salamander suit that has ice resist. Trying to mix up ideas. But maybe they are overused, but that's all games look at first, but sometimes you don't change an idea once its popular, or something.

anyway...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 08:50

#30

Soulstaker

Not everything,the snarboloax

Not everything,the snarboloax looks very original to me but JK seems suspicuisly over used too.a huge jelly.King vanaduke looks original but the Roarmulus twins is overused too.just two big dog turrets.
Edit:fixed the iPad self correcting.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 19:10

#31

Shadownox

the monsters that come out

the monsters that come out should be jellies or beasts since the skolver is peircing defense...

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 21:53

#32

Dukesky

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I do think there will be an Ice boss some day and I also think it will be Tier 3. I like the mirror to Vanaduke.

However, I'd like to see the Ice Boss as more of a sympathetic figure, opposite of Vanaduke's powerlust.
Maybe a cursed Yeti we must free from his burden. Or an Ice Queen. IDK, lots of different ways to go at it.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 01:09

#33

pikachupower

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I like the background you

I like the background you thought of Dukesky because I did think about a yeti, and a kind of story like that could be cool, like that a evil ghost has possessed the yeti, or maybe even a knight and while he is being controlled, we try to free him by attacking him until he faints and maybe attack the ghost or something like that.

If you guys think of any rewards for tokens from this boss, just let it out...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 02:15

#34

GoottiKustaa

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Just make the boss appear as

Just make the boss appear as a huge snowman with a carrot nose and all. Make it challenging, but fun.

I like spiral knights partly because it is a light hearted game, that still has a challenge to it. Keep the humor and non-standard enemies in the game as a feature, and avoid done-to-death stuff like dragons.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 03:11

#35

Jeffreysgf

a few things

Valkyre, I beat the Snarbolax on my own with 0* gear, and again on my own with a snarble barb being the only non-starting gear (much easier), without dying.
Snarbolox is is a pushover.
Also, beating bosses on your own isn't really that big of a deal, as they scale to the number of people there.

ConeyCrab, how bout have a giant pit boss as the boss (but one that actually attacks)? Also, shocking is in IMF.

Picachu, for fire (i.e. Vanduke) does the Magma Driver take the gun spot, the Combuster the sword and the Ash of Agni the bomb? They are equivalent to the ice things you mentioned. There are still things for Vanduuke. Existing weapons are not a problem, as far as I know, there is no equivalent to the fang of Vog

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 04:34

#36

Wotwotwotwotwotwot

Why not an ice fiend?

Why not an ice fiend? Dragons are overdone, fiends not so much. Besides, having it be a fiend of sorts really opens up the spectrum, since if it's the right kind of design, it could easily co-exist alongside of gremlins and other kinds of fiends in Tier 3, without having to use trojans. That, and since it's a fiend, at least in this game, there's an implied degree of difficulty that goes along with it that would be fitting for a Tier 3 boss.

It should put Skolver at a slight advantage, but not so much that it nerfs the Vog Cub's effectiveness. People [tart] about how Vanaduke should only be done with Fire-resist armors, but there's definitely people who've gone in without it. In this way, I suggest that this boss deal Shadow/Elemental solely for damage, so that Skolver users can benefit from the freeze resist but take more damage from the overall attack, but the Vog Cub users can resist more damage, but risk freezing much more often. Basically, without something that covers Shadow damage as well as either elemental or being frozen, there's no "clear" advantage to either one, which is something I think everyone would want from a new boss, not just your basic "if you have this gear, you're guaranteed to win" mentality that seems to go along with at least two of the other bosses (Vanaduke with Vog Cub, RJK with anything that deals poison and resists piercing from the other jellies).

It might seem unfair at first since Vog Cub would have more advantages in the Citadel, but you have to take into consideration that Vog Cub is prized solely because of it's ability to resist fire and for some users, because of its speed as well. However, if Freeze was a more common status, people would probably realize how dangerous it can be to be immobilized for more than a few seconds in a boss fight, and it'd put the Skolver gear that you seem so set on reviving back onto a pedestal in a sense. That, and to make it an even more challenging area to traverse, you could easily find a reason to squeeze ice-based Jellies in here so that your piercing weapon for the boss would almost have to be complimented by something that either hits everything neutrally, or covers the piercing-resisted Jellies (thus, promoting diversity much in the same way people want to have gunners to help with Vanaduke's mask phases).

Those are just my two cents though as a Skolver user myself. Sure, I'd love a boss where Skolver gear shines more than the Vog Cub, but I also don't want to be spoon-fed a boss that can be beaten just by having a certain set of armor. I already see enough Vog Cub people who don't know half of what they're doing; I don't want to see the same issue plague the Skolver gear as well.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 05:15

#37

Duke_Nukem

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Frostibones would be a good name.

Nope, can't think of a name of it.

BUT...

I did snap what I thought was a vog cub the other day :D

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:12

#38

Orangeo

I think it would be cooler if

I think it would be cooler if it starts with one head, then grow two more. You'd be like, "this dragon is easy", then it just grows two more heads and you just "LOLWUT?" purely becuase you didn't see it coming. the problem with most bosses is that they stay the same, only real changes are vanadukes slag guards.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 17:37

#39

Soulstaker

This boss will get people out

This boss will get people out of their vog coats and they will be like nooooo!!! A penalty to not get skolver.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 23:11

#40

Dukesky

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@Retequis

An Ice Fiend makes me think of a Demented Santa Claus, bossing around his helper "elves"... but this would be better suited as a Christmas update.

I still like my idea of a boss where we are actually helping instead of killing... (I do know there's some helping in the lead up to Vanaduke. I wish there was more of this in other areas). So if the Ice Boss is a Fiend bossing around others, maybe we are saving friendly Devilites.

In this case, I think it'd be more apropos if we gave the tokens to Sullivan, instead of Brinks, as Sullivan is a Devilite.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 01:06

#41

GoottiKustaa

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Or we help the "boss" to

Or we help the "boss" to survive. A defense scenario would be amusing.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 01:26

#42

Psychorazer

LOL

That WOULD be funny...hard to think of how to implement though...

Any ideas?

Stop some ice thing from melting? Splash water on it? ....

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 06:09

#43

Dukesky

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@GoottiKustaa

Yeah, that could work xD

Defend Devilite boss vs a swarm of rebelling minions!... although we're losing sight of the Ice theme.

Giant Devilite boss is thirsty. Fetch him slabs of ice to cool his drink.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 11:37

#44

Zephyrgon

Ice Boss

That's a really good idea to put in a Tier 3 setting. An ice Fiend would work, since there aren't any. In this stratum, they should prioritize piercing and freezing resists.

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