What's the point of killing teammates for heat? Heat is nearly worthless because there's way too much of it, and the unbind shop is far too expensive for it to be worthwhile levelling gear above 3* to sell.

Knocking a lumber into your ally's face could be the major difference between leveling up a Lvl 9 Faust right before the tier ends or not. 30% of heat, end-depth, is quite a lot, and when you have 3 people to pluck it off from, you're almost doubling the heat you've gathered throughout the full depth.

Some people allow unskilled players to jump in with their team in an arena run. Those players die in the third segment of the Arena almost every time. If you're lugging around 3 health capsules and at the cost of three times half your health you get almost double an Arena's worth of heat, that last level of Faust will be a walk in the park.

I have the decency to inform players who die often in my presence that I get their heat when they fall. Surprisingly, it motivates them to play better.

As above, if I'm playing in a team, it's because I need heat. I have new items I need to level up.

Else, I'd be playing solo. Why? Teammates, 80% of the time, make things slower/more difficult.

Also, I get to keep 100% of the materials dropped.

I've been soloing T3 since I got access no problem. Honestly the only area I group for is FSC because that area more than any other... Lag kills.

So there you have it. I team with people for two reasons. Heat, and Lag buffer.

If I'm not in FSC, I'm probably going to try and kill my teammates if it won't slow down the run.

I'm shocked by griefers bragging in public about their wrongdoings.

If I'm pugging I want heat. I don't have to be a jerk to farm my team-mates, in a group with 3 random people at least one of them will be pro at getting killed without my help. Besides, it's a win/win - if my group is inept I go back up on the last elevator having earned gobs of heat (JK runs in bad pugs are far and away the fastest way to farm heat), if they're decent I go down and kill JK with 'em.

frankly, im shocked that people would intentionally kill others.

just for extra heat.

It's incredible just how far off the rails this thread went so quickly. While I'm always happy to get some heat from somebody that died, I would never try to kill them for it. If someone doesn't need their heat and is willing to die on purpose for me, I'm fine with that, but griefing like what was described above is simply unacceptable.

To OP: good advice, stuff I'm having to learn myself as I try to become a better team player in my parties.

It's true. Trolls kill teammates on purpose to get extra heat and finish whatever it is their crafting to sell to the AH.

Reason 1 in OP is what trolls use to knock that extra life out of your lesser teammates. Sometimes it's with a Nitronome, other times with a Cold Iron Vanquisher. Lumbers soften the team up, and that'll lead to more deaths further in the depth.

Other ways trolls will kill you is through shooting explosive blocks while you're nearby one, activating missiles and switches in Ironclaw Munitions, and pretending like they're helping when they're using a weapon that is dealing the least amount of damage possible (using a Mega Magnus on a maximized Lichen Cluster deals only 12 or so health. If it gets stunned, hey more to it).

The objective of these trolls is to obtain 30% of the other 3 members' total heat. The further you are in the Depth, the more heat you'll have. That's when they'll kill ya, during that last team battle.

I have 7 friends who are complete strangers to each-other, and this is what they try to do every day. It's a whole different level of gameplay, mind you it's a jerk gameplay, but still challenging all the same :/

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And I had someone do this to me. He kept running in and dying, so I stopped reviving him. Soon he was trying to knock every enemy into me. He still managed to die three more times and didn't manage to kill me once.