Spiral Knights - Brandish Branches Causing Fire and Freeze

Brandish Branches Causing Fire and Freeze - Charged Attack Only?

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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:29

caseyweederm

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The description on the Blazebrand says it has a good chance of causing strong fire.
The wiki list of swords lists this under Abilities, and lists Fire under Possible Effect.
The wiki page for the Blazebrand only mentions the chance of causing fire under the charged attack.

I had assumed that the basic attacks had a chance to cause fire and the charged attack had a chance to cause fire.

However, based on my experience, I've never seen a non-charged attack from a Brandish branch cause any status ailment.

Was my initial impression incorrect? Do only the charged attacks cause the ailments?

Whoop, I guess this belongs in Arsenal.
Thanks for the help, guys!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:44

Iron-Volvametal

You are Correct.

Only the Charge attacks of the Brandish lines may cause Status. There is a similar sword, however, that inflicts Fire for both Charged & Normal Swings, called the Fang of Vog. The Charged attack may also cause Strong fire towards you, however. Similar in stats with Combuster, but the Charge Attack is like that of the Calibur.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Combuster

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Fang_of_Vog

http://media.spiralknights.com/wiki-images/b/b5/Calibur_demo_charge.gif

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:06

Vlad

Na, they can inflict status

Na, they can inflict status effects on normal swings.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:28

Iron-Volvametal

Vlad, no, it doesn't.

Only the Charge Attacks may cause Status effects. Normal swings don't. Both, the Normal & Charge Attacks do Elemental/Normal damage, but only the Charge attack causes Status.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:31

Starlinvf

@Vlad: They don't on normal

@Vlad: They don't on normal attacks. See below

@caseyweederm: The status effect is inflicted by the explosion from the charged attack. On top of that the explosion doesn't occur 100% of the time, but does become more frequent at higher stars (5* being mostly reliable).

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:44

Iron-Volvametal

starlinvf, Both the Charge AND the Explosions cause Status.

Not just the Explosions cause the Status effects. The Explosions are just there to inflict Statuses on enemies around the one you were aiming for or to the same enemy to cause a double(or triple or quadruple) whammy.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 20:17

caseyweederm

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Ah! Thank you. I understand

Ah! Thank you.
I understand now.

The Combuster isn't quite as cool as I thought it was... but it's still pretty cool.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:18

Fraxur

Yes, they only inflicts a

Yes, they only inflicts a status effect when charged. There is a perfect reason for this, and that's because of the Iceburst line. If the Iceburst line could inflict freeze on a normal attack, that means you will be able to break the ice with the rest of the hits (unless you inflicted freeze on the third swipe). This is why Iceburst can only inflict freeze on the charged attack. Because Iceburst is in the same series with Fireburst line, it will have to share properties (apart from the status they inflict).
I do think that Nightblade should be able to inflict a status effect (in this case curse because shadow is normally associated with curse).

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:42

Dottor-Troione

""I do think that Nightblade

""I do think that Nightblade should be able to inflict a status effect (in this case curse because shadow is normally associated with curse).""

yeah, hope that they fix this. I don't think they will put curse on it though, as it would be so much better than Faust. Maybe poison, or another type of buff: given the different, lighter shape of the Nightblade line, it would make sense if it was faster than Glacius/Combuster.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 04:12

Starlinvf

Does it do more damage then

Does it do more damage then the status lines? Thats usually how it works for most weapons.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 06:54

#10

Volebamus

Nope, I use all three myself,

Nope, I use all three myself, and the 5* brandishes mirror each other in damage in terms of weakness and resistance changes.

Even with the lack of status, Acheron's still useful on to kill Slimes and Gremlins faster.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:41

#11

Iron-Volvametal

Dr_Troione, that's what bothers me, too.

The Nightblade series seems to be lighter than the Combuster/Glacius lines, but still attacks like a heavy sword. They should make it so that it attacks a bit faster or have a 5-hit Combo.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:41

#12

caseyweederm

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Huh, looks like the Faust

Huh, looks like the Faust deals a little more shadow damage AND causes curse. That seems kinda weighted in the Faust's favor.
Well, the Faust also curses the wielder, so I guess that Curse isn't equal to Freeze and Fire.
And assuming things are balanced, I'd say that dealing shadow damage is worth the same as dealing elemental damage PLUS having a chance to freeze/enflame.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:58

#13

Ailea

The Faust is slower than the

The Faust is slower than the Acheron (despite what bars say), and only has a 2-hit combo, so it makes sense that it does slightly more damage.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 02:38

#14

AIabaster

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...

And not to mention that Faust can curse with its second swing and the acheron line can't curse at all.
Also add on the fact that faust (this is from my own experience) only curses you about 1/3 of the time you use the charge, it's actually not bad at all. Just make sure you have a status pill and you're good to go.

If you're really fidgety about it still, have four items thenn. That way there's a 1/4 chance (IF you have NO curse resistance) that your pill won't even be cursed. Voila?

I used to have nightbade. Switched that chihuahua up for a big dog.

And I have the fireburst. I was surprised, I realized yesterday it couldn't inflict fire on its normal swing. However, the speed is phenomenal, and charging it is hardly a hassle unless you have no space to move and kite. I get giddy watching it set a group of monsters on fire.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 09:42

#15

caseyweederm

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I upgraded to Acheron. Oh

I upgraded to Acheron. Oh sweet, sweet river of pain.
Those slimes and gremlins, they ain't so pretty no more.

I may end up getting a Faust. The Sealed Sword is the most likely candidate for my jelly gems, even though I have too many swords already.
Swords. I can't stop.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 10:39

#16

culture

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Stun

The nightblade line should stun, just like the non-typed greavers. That wouldn't be awesome, but at least it would do something. Curse would probably be OP, and balancing with self-curse seems out of place for the nightblade.

I think it odd that they didn't bother adding status since it does equal damage compared to the fire/freeze options. I guess being the only alternate to Faust for a shadow sword was deemed sufficient.

As for Nightblade vs Faust, I chose Nightblade. I use it on gremlins and slimes, so I want something nimble rather than something with power. Both work well on their intended targets though.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 21:29

#17

Ryoga124

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I agree that the Acheron

I agree that the Acheron needs a buff of some sort. The reason people choose it is because it does Shadow damage, the same reason they pick the Umbra Driver. But they gave the Umbra Driver a damage buff because it didn't have a status effect.
I am not saying that the Acheron needs a status effect, but it needs a buff. A speed buff would make sense based on its size. Maybe a different and longer combo? If it had a status effect, Poison would work OK, I think. If it could curse, it'd be OP compared to the Faust.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 22:31

#18

Deridor

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Buff

I agree that the nightblade line should get some sort of buff, but definitely not poison status. With poison, it'd be overpowered, especially in JK runs. Shadow is useful enough for jellies, but poison on top would make the king himself a bit of a joke :/. Curse status could be equally overpowering.

A speed buff or different combo sounds like it'd be the best to me, though probably because i'm a bit partial to striker and its lines :3

Not that it matters as i doubt OOO cares what a small group of people think :P

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Brandish Branches Causing Fire and Freeze - Charged Attack Only?