Fistbumps for Shoebox!

I'll try to be less ready to righteously smite the lousy whiners... It's quite a trial for me.
Seriously, have you seen the people suggesting that OOO deliberately makes lag so that players die and need to buy energy more often?
And there is an enormous amount of entitlement among players! Oh, it makes me mad.

See: Panels 7 and 8
http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/index.php?id=26#comic
Or that Penny Arcade strip with the larynx-crushing accessory for long-distance crushing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkyhvCdJ_vM

Water based weapons are a thing of the future!

i dont know whats fire im cat someone pls explain?

how would people know if a post is considered spam? People are just posting their opinion about this topic.

I think this is reelevant
http://media.spiralknights.com/wiki-images/b/b1/Itoldyouaboutthestairs.png

i think you may have misread the sarcasm in my post: i think people are completely "entitled" to complain when their game doesn't work, especially if they dropped money on it. i do agree that it his silly how some people turn into huge drama queens about an online game, but it's important not to overlook legitimate criticism. consider my experience, if you will:

i started playing his game recently during the summer doldrums my teaching position in Japan. it was fun enough that I dropped 750 on enough CE to play all evening after my mist ran out, and I was partly encouraged by having high level friends from another community invite me to their guild. the next day I went to buy 750 more CE and accidentally bought the 7500 starter pack instead. basically, my investment in spiral knights had now crossed from mobile app to Actual Game Purchase territory (if you consider the last-gen production values and relatively limited content, $22.50 is what I would pay for this game). i have played for about 70 hours now (summer!) and what has my investment become? a smattering of 4* gear, a leviathan blade, about 15 learned recipes and close to 75k crowns.

granted I did not spend my energy wisely for the first couple thousand, but at this point I have been making at least 50 energy (after expenses) on every run, and will make much more when I am good enough to solo t3 basil runs and sell high level recipes at a profit. and after 70 hours and $22.50, i am still a ways away from the endgame--not because of a large amount of content (like WoW or a JRPG at their best) but because of a large amount of grind (like WoW or a JRPG at their worst). new players, enticed by the initial ease of building up their arsenal, are in for a huge disappointment when they realize that a single 4* or 5* item will require several days of mist energy and a significant investment of crowns.

what really lets me down, though is the lag. in a game like WoW or diablo, lag spikes and rubberbanding are not as large of issues: the nature of the combat promises you will be damaged anyway, and the penalty for death (outside of a hardcore diablo character) is a bit of time and/or experience. spiral knights is a game founded on the principle that not only can you avoid most damage, but that doing so is required for high-level play. furthermore, lag damage and deaths cost the equivalent of actual money, and lag is so ubiquitous that high level strategy requires that you incorporate lag into your gameplay. and it's not just me over in Asia experiencing it: all my American and European guldies suffer lag on a regular basis, despite good connections.

if things were cheaper, i might actually accept the lag and buy energy with real money to play around with sweet weapons. if the game ran crisply and responded smoothly to my actions, i might actually accept the price and invest in some good gear to maximize my reward for being skillful. as-is, I don't want to buy energy to get gear because the lag is so bad that the gear won't help very much, the crafting price is crazy high, and any I gear I get I am stuck with unless I want to shell out 8000 (!) energy to unbind on the chance that some idiot will buy it.

it's a shame, because in a lag free world this game would be kind of like devil may cry (or even demon's souls (with better levels!)): tight combat that demands and rewards skillful control and good knowledge of enemy tactics, with an addictive gear grind aspect. I would absolutely love to play that game. spiral knights is not that game. it is a broken game with a punishing grind, and it's a shame that a company as inventive and as talented as OOO has settled for "the grind," a mechanic second in notoriety to perhaps quick-time events, as spiral knights' core gameplay element.

so that's my take. I hope you will consider my position because i am not being an entitled drama queen, and because I am a paying customer, and because OOO only continues to exist because of people like me (and I assume you as well). I would not pay $22.50 for a fun, challenging action rpg with a hideous grind, a (currently) quite limited amount of content and a server incapable of supporting its player base to a satisfactory level. I am disappointed that this game has not been worth my money. I will still play it, but only for a bit at a time, and I am fairly certain I will never spend another cent on it. at first, I encouraged friends to play with me. I still will, but I cannot in good conscience advise them to spend more than they would for a mobile app or a few rounds of street fighter at the local game center, and certainly not as much as budget release, let alone a premier title.

are players with my same complaints not "entitled" to them if they haven't bought CE? if they've only bought $2.50 worth? am I not entitled to my own complaints? or is it merely their tone that you disagree with? I have seen from your posts that you are a vocal defender of OOO and spiral knights, and that's wonderful! and despite the autobiography of my discontent I have just inflicted upon these forums, I am a fan of this game as well. but I think anyone can admit that this good game has some serious flaws, and it is troubling that OOO chooses to add bomberman instead of focusing their resources on better servers or lag-compensating measures. if I have learned one thing from the events of s few months ago, though, it is that OOO is not averse to completely ignoring their customers' wishes.

Problem is, obvobvobv, very few people make constructive complaints. Most of them are gripe-fests that don't accomplish much except making them feel better about any game that isn't autoeasymode, which makes the constructive ones just want to quickly shoo them out the door in a desperate attempt at social Darwinism.

if someone posted that as the title might as well sing along to it!!!
*highfive* Bigfoot!

I'd say, Obv, that you've gotten a lot more than just a smattering of four-star equipment.
Videogames are not an investment that pays off in tangible rewards. That you've played for this long indicates to me that you've enjoyed it, and that's worth... Well, it's worth exactly as much time as you've put into it.

By the way, those horrifying examples I included in my last post were not even exaggerated. I've seen each one of those.
aydenu's right. There are a lot of people who have proved more ready to tear down what good there is rather than try to come to a new understanding and contribute to a betterment of the gameplay experience and the community.

It's the tone that I really can't stand. These people, they DESERVE better because they WANT better and they're gonna be mean about it. You can suggest that they try to make some changes on their end but by gosh how dare you accuse them of having a bad setup. They can play other games like Farmville just fine with no problems so of course Three Rings is just bad and awful and obviously deliberately creating lag so that people die and have to spend more money on energy to revive.

Yes. Yes, that is an actual accusation that has been made.

What is that.

Yes I have been hit by one too. They threw it at me because I was wearing my Vog set. Jerks.