If anyone acquires this item I'm very interested to know how it functions. To me, if it works exactly like the Graviton but with Shock it's clearly better so there has to be some sort of downside. Perhaps the suction radius is lower? Or maybe it holds them for less time?
Looking for any experiences with this bomb.
I'd imagine as is the case for most items with lines that have status effects and lines that don't, that the base damage of the Electron Vortex is simply lower than Graviton.
No experience, but that's usually how they balance weaons which otherwise have identical functions. Weapons that only cause damage will tend to higher damage than those that have additional effects.
If the electron vortex simply has less damage than the graviton than I believe the electron vortex is simply better on all accounts still. I've said it in the past and I'll say it now. I don't use the Graviton for damage, at all. It does such a miniscule amount of damage anyways. I'll be very interested in acquiring this new bomb if this is the case though.
Like I said, I haven't used it, but it IS pretty standard to drop some damage for another bonus.
See Lev vs CIV (Higher Damage vs Slightly better against one enemy), Supernova vs Polaris (Higher Damage vs Shock), Prismatech/Shadowtech vs Statustech alchemers (Higher damage vs Statuses). Often status effects outweigh the higher damage, but mostly the balancing here is on the idea that all items of a given equip type are sidegrades; OOO tend to avoid strictly better weapons.
Just remember that a shocked enemy will occasionally cancel all movement effects applied to it, so the knockback on the electron vortex may be irregular, and being unpredictable can hurt your gameplay. Or the electron vortex could be designed to avoid this, perhaps... you'll have to wait for somebody who's used it or wait to use it yourself.
I've used the Static Capacitor/Graviton Vortex combo before so if this is reliable this could be a really good choice for bombs. Definitely worth looking into.
Actually, the new bomb, does elemental damage, instead of shadow damage like the graviton vortex (so then the bomb is the opposite of the graviton)
The fact that it does elemental damage, personally, is another bonus even though I still argue damage is irrelevant most of the time on either the gravi or electron.
Electron vortex doesn't inflict shock, according to the recipe at least.
If it does elemental just looked at the wiki, it would be a pretty good bomb for FSC.
Even though it does Elemental Damage, it still would primarily be a utility bomb.
Damage Per Second was never the strong point for Graviton series.
The suction and clumping of enemies together was what makes Graviton useful.
Unless the Electron series cuts down the charge time, increases the walking speed during charging, and makes it detonate faster, it's still going to be primarily a utility bomb and not a damage dealer.
Truthfully, you'll only need one of these.
I'm trading my grave vortex for a electron vortex
Electron Vortex doesn't even have a status - it just does elemental damage instead of shadow like Graviton Vortex. That is all I know about it for sure.
In that case I would be pretty darn disappointed that they release a simply more popular damage element bomb now than Graviton when I just got it.
As I am a pure status and crowd control bomber, my 2 cents on my first tries with a 3* electron bomb are that:
- It does apply shock randomly to targets after the vortex suction ends.
- It has an equal sucktion radius at 3* as the Graviton Vortex.
- It seems not to fling enemies out as far as the Graviton vortex does, if it even flings them out at all.
- As it states to be an Electron Bomb, rather than blast or haze the CTR of the bomb without any CTR UVs is significantly higher than the Graviton Vortex. Tested: It is very well Chainable for CCing packs which will NOT fling outwards after the bomb detonates
- It does draw in Kats, where the Graviton did not.
All in all it seems to be a very neat crowd control bomb if the 5* version still has these benefits attached and perhaps even a larger suction radius.
regards,
Graviton doesn't fling out if there are enough mobs inside either. And the more cluster the less fling, which I noticed myself and wiki just confirmed it for me later.
I know this. It is just that even with 1 or 2 enemies trapped there is no fling on the Electron, where there is one on the Graviton.
regards,
My friend got one.it was pretty helpful because of it's elemental damage and it's suction.while the monsters are being sucked I shoot them or hit em.Gun is probally better because it can't knock the monster out of the suction like a sword might do.
I extensively use the Graviton Vortex (read: It is always in my load out for going into the Clockworks) and in my opinion it is best used in conjunction with high damage charge attacks, which generally come from swords. The best combination being Glacius and Graviton. However with the Electron's shocking capabilities it may be better to pair it with the Combuster or perhaps the new Shock Brandish for even more shock. DA's also combo with it nicely but can disrupt the combo if released prematurely. Charge attacks with a large amount of knockback are also bad for the combo.
- It does apply shock randomly to targets after the vortex suction ends. (Well that seems nice. I guess this'll have more of a utility than Graviton. But even then, Graviton is still safer against Mecha Knights and Quicksilvers.)
- It has an equal sucktion radius at 3* as the Graviton Vortex. (Oh? This can't be right at all. If it still has the same range as say... Graviton Vortex, then what's the point in leveling it to 5*?)
- It seems not to fling enemies out as far as the Graviton vortex does, if it even flings them out at all. (Many people's complaints with Graviton when I used them was that the enemies flung out, effectively screwing up their strategy. Good to see their complaints gone.)
- As it states to be an Electron Bomb, rather than blast or haze the CTR of the bomb without any CTR UVs is significantly higher than the Graviton Vortex. Tested: It is very well Chainable for CCing packs which will NOT fling outwards after the bomb detonates (CTR is higher than Graviton? Whoa. Must have.)
- It does draw in Kats, where the Graviton did not. (When did Graviton stop sucking in Kats? I remember back when I was playing, I sucked them in fine. It's just that they dashed quickly and could escape the vortex.)
If all that's said about Electron is true, then it seems OOO needs to get back to rebalancing.
electron 3* is definitely weaker in sucking compared to gravi
test it in training hall through walls
if ther is no visible suction at the same radius, it cannot be considered a suction with the same radius
any1 test 5* yet?
The way I look at it is this. When all our elite bombers tested the grav-bomb, the generally said that it was underpowered, dangerous to use, and situational. The main use is combining it with a sword charge, which isn't something a pure bomber would want to do. General consensus was it needed a rebalance.
Here's some of the suggestions:
-Decreased knockback
-Status effect, probably stun
-Faster Charge Time
-Reduced speed penalty
Which means they got 3 of our 4 suggestions when making the Electron Vortex. Obviously they really want the power of the bomb to be worth the decreased mobility. By making it elemental it should also see more use, since bombing gremlins and slimes can be a little touchy.
I see this to mean they really want to test our suggestions on a greater scale, and if necessary, find a happy medium in between.
I'm wondering the same, not that I use(d) my grave vortex much.