Tier Two Trio
Wed, 08/03/2011 - 16:36
After having a rather profound epiphany, I realize that I prefer Tier 2 game play. I began play as a jack-of-all-trades player and discovered I liked bombing, so went that route. Now at 4* gear and access to Tier 3, it just isn't my cup of tea. I feel I would have to specialize (costing too much) to run Vanaduke and/or the non-boss levels and they don't appeal to me. I enjoy the 2-3* gear challenge of Tier 2. With that being said, and rather not having to grind for 4-5* gear as mentioned, I would like to expand into the area of the game that I enjoy and have easy access/can afford gear for. So, rather than read every "Ask a Master..." thread, I figured I would ask here...
What I am shooting for is an averaged 3* rig for each 'profession'. Meaning, occasional 2* & 4* gear is possible if I haven't got the 3* yet, in the case of a 2* piece of gear, or 4* IF it has some MAJOR benefit, ie special effect that only happens when leveled to 4*. I want a set for Blades, Bombs, and Bullets. Now for what I have and what I am considering - looking for feedback: * refers to what I don't have but intend on getting. I am planning on sticking with only the two default weapons slots but might occasionally splurge for a third. Where three or more items are listed, it will depend on the level/stratum on which I suit up with.
Blade Build
Wolver Coat --> Dusker Coat *
Wolver Cap --> Dusker Cap *
Ascended Calibur (CTR Med)
Sealed Sword * --> Avenger *
((Undecided: maybe Vile Striker or Cautery?))
Bullet Build
Gunslinger Sash *
Gunslinger Hat *
Super Blaster (Med vs Gremlins)
Magnus *
Voltech Alchemer *
Bomb Build
Heavy Demo Suit
Heavy Demo Helm
Fiery Atomizer or Freezing Atomizer
Super Blast Bomb or Twisted Spine Cone
Shields available: Twisted Targe or Wise Owlite. Please, suggest which with what profession or make a suggestion on what I should use/get otherwise. I think this gear would allow me to mix and match should I not want to play a pure strain profession.
Thanks in advance!
Wed, 08/03/2011 - 17:50
#2
Ok you should upgrade that
Ok you should upgrade that acended blade of yours to a Levi but that's four star.get a vile striker because it causes poison so the monster cannot heal.helpful for jelly king because he heals like a fatcrap.
Wed, 08/03/2011 - 19:11
#3
@gerryw174
Dude, you need to stop this "example.example" and start doing this "example. Example".
Sorry, but it's just really annoying.
Wed, 08/03/2011 - 20:00
#4
I use examples to support my
I use examples to support my comments.... I learned that from my dad who always supports his answers.
Wed, 08/03/2011 - 23:26
#5
@ icemilktea i think you mean
@ icemilktea i think you mean calibur line.
There is not one blade in the brandish line that does normal. Except cautery
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 05:16
#6
Thanks so far
@ IceMilkTea
I believe I understand your suggestion for swords suggested, for example; Ice Burst Brandish (Elemental/Normal) and a Nightblade (Shadow/Normal) or I could go an Avenger/Faust combo that would do the same thing once I acquire two Sealed swords. Correct?
I believe I will have to pull the gunslinger build off with two slots. That is why I was leaning toward; Magnus and Voltech covering Piercing (Beasts/Fiend) and Elemental (Constructs/Undead), which should leave (Gremlins) neutral to Piercing and (Slimes) neutral to Elemental. Basically; Magnus for Beast/Fiend/Gremlins and Voltech for Constructs/Undead/Slimes. Would that work?
I am "gimping myself" - because the challenge is just right for what I enjoy. All 4* is a bit too strong for Tier 2 for me, and the appeal of Tier 3 - to do similar levels but with more health vs more monsters/ or more damage per hit, is not appealing either. Not to mention, my old hands and eyes don't play well with each other anymore. I don't want to grind for Cr for Recs/crafting so I can specialize for end game. My end game is Tier 2.
@ gerryw173
Why do you think I should upgrade the Calibur? What does it do at 4* that it doesn't do at 3* besides more damage? I understand the Vile Striker, I gain poison and had mentioned that as an option. I appreciate you agree with same.
For what it is worth, I believe MagikFingerz was referring to capitalization after a period. It does help. As I mention in my response above, I am old, and the younger generation 'text speak' is difficult to comprehend when you are not used to it.
@ arasuki
I believe we got two different interpretations of what IceMilkTea suggest. I look forward to a clarification myself.
@ All
No suggestions on Armor/Shields or further discussion/recommendations?
Best
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 06:47
#7
"I believe I understand your
"I believe I understand your suggestion for swords suggested, for example; Ice Burst Brandish (Elemental/Normal) and a Nightblade (Shadow/Normal) or I could go an Avenger/Faust combo that would do the same thing once I acquire two Sealed swords. Correct?"
Correct.
"I believe I will have to pull the gunslinger build off with two slots. That is why I was leaning toward; Magnus and Voltech covering Piercing (Beasts/Fiend) and Elemental (Constructs/Undead), which should leave (Gremlins) neutral to Piercing and (Slimes) neutral to Elemental. Basically; Magnus for Beast/Fiend/Gremlins and Voltech for Constructs/Undead/Slimes. Would that work?"
Sure i guess thatll work. But try the polaris line instead of a voltech. Imo its better.
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 07:42
#8
Since you are working with 3*
Since you are working with 3* gear, it might be a good idea to have some extra armor on hand for specific needs in strata.
You currently have no armor with shadow defense. Getting an angelic set for fiend strata might be worth it.
Similarly you might want to a get an elemental cloak and/ or hood for fire/shock resist.
As for shields. If you are going for 3* gear, swiftstrike buckler is the way to go for both blade and bullet. The bomb build may benefit from scarlet shield.
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 09:44
#9
Tempered caliber is pretty
Tempered caliber is pretty good but acended just owns.Levi only deals like twentish more damage but do not under estimate acended and levi's charge.acended and Levi inflict massiv normal damage if I have not mentioned it.
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 11:03
#10
I think MagikFingerz was
I think MagikFingerz was talking about putting a period then putting a word right after. Like this: Hi guys.What's up?
Thu, 08/04/2011 - 17:29
#11
Good Points All
@ All
Just realized that, and not sure that it matters, but I do tend to do alot of solo delving. On occasion I team up for Boss runs, but that is definitely in the minority of my time spent playing.
@ IceMilkTea
I will definitely look into the Boss weapons; Pulsar and Sealed Swords, both versions. Until then it can't hurt to go Brandish and Alchemer, right?
@ Trias
"Since you are working with 3* gear, it might be a good idea to have some extra armor on hand for specific needs in strata"
Good point, and another plus to my train of thought that I hadn't considered. I don't want to worry with what endgame gear I need to set myself up with, I can experiment and won't feel that I am 'wasting time/resources'. The more I think about this, the more I feel i am heading in the right direction for myself.
Angelic Suit and Magic Hood... noted [X]. I had thought of the Swiftstrike at one time, wounder why I passed up/forgot about it...? Ah yes, endgame tunnel vision. That reminds me, there was some Gremlin shield I wanted to look into.... The KILLER for me thus far, having been bomber, is Fiends and their gawd awful stun! I don't have quite the reflexes to pull off a regular block = ( Oh, and the Alpha Wolves' Owlite popping pincers!!!
Always wondered about Drake Scale Mail and Angelic Helm combo after reading about it elsewhere...
@ gerryw173
Got ya, don't forget I did level the Calibur to Ascended even while bombing, as it is a solid sword - granted with my limited experience at sword wielding. I stopped there when I could kill a Gun-Puppy with a single charged attack. I think going further (5*) is a bit overkill at the moment for what I have in mind.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:34
#12
a bit overdue, but...
I had a response typed out before I left work Friday, just never posted it.
All I really know is guns, so that's where my advice is going to be.
* Obviously you want a Gunslinger Hat/Sash.
* @IceMilkTea had it right. If you're gunning, you need 3 weapon slots unless you know very well ahead of time that the population of the stratum isn't going to require one of your three guns.
* If you're gunning at 3*, you definitely want a Swiftstrike Buckler, unless you're going to get a bunch of the new trinkets that boost gun speed (and even if you are, if you get a Swiftstrike, you can spend the trinket slots, if you use them, on Trueshot modules for damage)
* My gun selection is Blitz Needle, Elemental Alchemer, and Shadow Alchemer. (I swap between Firo, Volt, and Prisma depending on what I am running) With the gun update, the increase to Prisma and Shadow damage is noticeable and makes them worth using. Mk II Alchemers don't ricochet that much, but it's still somewhat worthwhile if you manage to get the shot right between two enemies.
You could make a case for using a Magnus, but I find the ability to spray a large group of enemies with needles kind of fun, and the charge attack from a Needler is rather devastating. If you prefer the stun-lock capabilities of a Magnus over the increased damage of a needler, go with the Magnus.
You could make a very good case for using a Toxic Catalyzer, but you said something earlier about staying away from boss guns, and while I have soloed with a Toxic Catalyzer, and it's kind of fun, it takes approximately forever.
I actually haven't had the time to play with the Pulsar yet. It's my next project.
IGN Linteleor
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 14:23
#13
Makes sense...
@ jlwfnord
Swiftstrike Shield is what I am saving for now. I have the Hat/Sash and see a pronounced increase. I don't want to 'stay away from boss guns' they just seem to want to stay away from me. Elusive little buggers! I have tried the Autogun line, which I believe the Needler is a part of, but the lack of mobility kills me. I want to give it another go once I get the shield to see if the added speed gives me the needed time to shoot and scoot. Pulsar strikes my bomber roots, so I look forward to trying that as well.
If I could just figure out my auto-aim issues....
Best,
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:44
#14
Needler range
Needlers have much longer range than the Autogun/Pepperbox line. I typically spray from mid to long range, which does give me the ability to 'shoot and scoot' as it were. (The exception to this is when I have a Wolver or Devilite up against a wall or in mid-attack/mid-bark, where they're not going to be bouncing around. I'll unload the needler at point-blank range and then snap the shield right back up.)
I never became enamored of the Magnus mostly because the Magnus roots you in place as well. If a piercing gun let you move and fire, that would be one thing, but both of them make you plant your feet.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:49
#15
I'm currently going for
I'm currently going for acended caliber because of it's damage and will be close to tier three.Idk what my second wep should be.I am currently using toxic vaporizer or a shadow tech.I thinking that I should get voltech because shock is a very good status to inflict.there are no hard counter.
Blade build with 2 slots get a elem/normal blade like brandish line/avenger and a shadow/normal like a brandish/faust line.
Thisll give you 2 out of the 3 type of dmg against all monsters, switch accordingly.
For your gun build to be useful you need at least 3 slots, cuz you need to specialize in dmg types elemental, shadow, piercing.
Guns dmg are small, which is why u need to specialize to get dmg.
I dont see why ure gimping yourself by limiting your gear at 3*.
4* and 5* are very easily obtainable even if ure not a paying customer albeit slower to get. Especially with the 5k/100 CE price we got atm.