Spiral Knights - Remove Energy from Going into the Clockworks

Remove Energy from Going into the Clockworks

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Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:19

Naruchico

I suggest that we remove the 10 energy cost from going down into the dungeons to play this game.

In exchange for being able to have fun for free, OOO could sell special armor packs that look cool without making it pay to win of course, and up the energy cost of other things to even out the reason to continue purchasing CE, but leave us the ability to play the game without having to wait for the ME to recharge or spending our well earned crowns to keep going down.

please /sign if you agree with this, or post your suggestions.

please only post constructive criticism, and keep it cool no need to flame a suggestion

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 19:43

Madadder

lol energy for elevators is a

lol energy for elevators is a cornerstone for energy sinks and is the de-facto method for OOO to get people to use/buy energy

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:00

Naruchico

but I'm saying they move it to other things less game-breaking, at-least then they stand as an actual play for free, instead of this "free demo for (place time here)" feel it gives off now, pay 5 dollars to get the amazing looking werewolf set, instead of paying just to play longer.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:01

Gimpyo

crafting is already too

crafting is already too expensive and PvP will die if energy will have to be paid for that. also, they do sell special armor, though its usually limited time. they had rose regailia a while ago and right now they sell the plastemic armor (i think thats how you spell it?) if they take away the 10 energy to go down into the clockworks, then, i think its punch, would rise in energy cost and, if you ask me, its pretty friggin expensive to unbind 4 and 5 star items (4000 energy for 5*). so no, do not take away the 10 energy cost

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:08

Naruchico

if you take away the energy

if you take away the energy cost for going down to the clock work you can raise crowns all day, and I didn't say moving up prices of unbinding, it was my thought on balancing out the loss of the dungeon prices, they could just raise things they find more productive, or even come up with brand new ways without effecting the current costs.

I just simply would like to play the real game-play part of the game without having to either A: spend all my crowns on energy or B: wait 22 hours to get somewhere.

how they decide to change the prices is up to them, this is simply a suggestion, its not set in stone, I'm looking for people to work with me to make free dungeon diving possible without a loss to OOO because they keep the game running.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:15

raxxok

Legacy Username

This will not happen please

This will not happen please shut up, it would inflate the market so bad you will come back and cry that getting a 4 star item takes 100 hours of farming.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:18

Gimpyo

you said, and i quote "up the

you said, and i quote "up the energy cost of other things to even out" this means they would have to evenly distribute energy to everything that costs energy, or make other things cost energy. many people dont want that. also, it is easy to get 5-6k in one run, with some left over

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:28

Naruchico

I would gladly farm 100 hours

I would gladly farm 100 hours of game-play compared to only getting a few hours of game-play each day and feel I have gotten ripped off, aren't you suppose to play a game, not jump on do a few things then log out...you PLAY a game, not sit and wait to play a game because you don't want to pay up. if I wanted to pay to play a game I would subscribe to any other of the millions of subscription games "$15 a month and you can play all you want!".....this is "hey you get to play 10 dungeons a day, or you can pay and play 70 dungeons a day! woohoo"....free to play my rear end, last I heard free to play meant I can all I want, this is more like you get a taste till you pay, or you play the 10 dungeons just to get enough money to play another ten...and then rinse repeat and your gear is always crap cause you always have to keep up your energy JUST TO PLAY THE BLOODY GAME!

or keep forking money to keep up....hmmm maybe I'm wrong this isn't pay to play....it sure is sounding closer to the lovely "play to win"

if you don't have a constructive post that adds to this suggestion go troll somewhere else please.

I would trade higher crown prices for CE so I can play to my hearts content any day, and for those who think "that's stupid" next time you play and run out of energy and don't have enough crowns to buy some think about this thread and what I said, think about how much time you could spend kicking some monster rear if you didn't have to pay out, think how fast you could get money to buy that nice shiny sword or gun in the auction house when you don't have to stop going down because "you are low on energy click here to buy it with real money or crowns" and you can't afford either option.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:43

Madadder

aren't you suppose to play a

aren't you suppose to play a game, not jump on do a few things then log out.

funny thats what i do on all the online games i currently play except team fortress 2...

this thread as become a "i hate SK because i don't know how to make enough CE to continue playing" fun fact i have never paid into this game and you know what? i can perpetually play since i can make more than enough to pay for CE with crowns.

this game features a type of fatigue system look into it, Rusty Hearts and Dragon's Nest both do it and they are free to play

on the subject of Free to play YES this game is f2p you dont have to pay anything. all you need is to trade crowns for energy or wait a day

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:41

Gimpyo

this game is free to play.

this game is free to play. just because you have to work at getting higher gear, and the fact that it gets harder as you progress, is a fact of all games. its supposed to be hard, but it IS completely free. there are people with 5* gear that have never spent a penny on this game at all. ive run with new people from this game 6 times a day and they never once asked for any CE. its all about know what to buy and what to sell at what times.

so yes, this is a FREE to play game, no matter how you look at it. it is not a demo. a demo is something that you play the exact same scenario over and over again, never progressing at all in the story. in this game, even if you cant get any CE at first, the levels change all the time. not only that, but there is so much stuff you can get with out ever paying any money. the sheer amount of shields alone, and i mean 1-3*, would take weeks to get for a free player. so no, this is defiantly not a demo.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 21:10

#10

Naruchico

OK let me quote myself here

OK let me quote myself here to make this simple

"its a simple principle I would rather PLAY for hours to get somewhere then PAY for hours to get to the same place"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 21:20

#11

Tuhui

It's not that hard to make a

It's not that hard to make a profit while buying ce to go down, with crowns.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 22:31

#12

Kirkor

Legacy Username

I totally agree with

I totally agree with Naruchico. I'd rather play for hours instead of waiting 22 hours for 10 floors =l I like to buy tons of recipes just to try new gear out (especially bombs) but with how the ME and CE system is now, I can't pay for recipes and CE with just the crowns I get from the 10 floors a day. I realize I shouldn't buy all kinds of stuff, but Spiral Knights is a g-a-m-e, and a fantasy one at that. Because of the fantasy aspect, I shouldn't be required to have to act like a responsible consumer like I do in the real world.

Plus, Naruchico said to keep it positive. Be respectful. If you have that much of a problem with it, make a new thread in which to rant in.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 00:23

#13

Gimpyo

im not ranting, im just

im not ranting, im just saying the truth. as for your problem, i had the same one when i first started. its all about will power and resisting the urge to buy something you know you really want. wait until T2 when you can farm JK and it will be much easier, but OOO will not take away the price on the gates. however, they have been noted to reduce the price to 5 energy, though its only happened once i think.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 01:59

#14

Ryoga124

Legacy Username

The game is completely free.

The game is completely free. If you don't have the patience to wait for ME to charge, that is your fault. If you are too attached to your Crowns to buy energy, I can't blame you, but that is the alternative (to real money, too).
So you run out of energy? Don't wanna buy more? Waiting takes a day to fill up? Get Steam (if you don't have it already) and play games on there. Hell, Team Fortress 2 is free now, so go play that.

@Kirkor
Yes, it is a g-a-m-e. Part of the game is energy and crown management. A lot of games nowadays require some type of currency or resource management. From RPGs to shooters. And really, you have no place to complain. You spend all your money on frivolous recipes. You said it yourself. You can't blame anyone about energy being expensive or recharging to slowly when you spend all of your energy and crowns on a whim.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 02:22

#15

Starlinvf

@Naruchico / Kirkor Except

@Naruchico / Kirkor

Except your ignoring the fact that there is no upfront cost to obtain the game. And regardless of your buying CE or not, you still take up resources on the server, which costs money to maintain. The mist energy system works as a demo that restricts playtime, but still allows access to all early game content. Its a surprisingly logical approach with a pay as you go model, where your only paying for the time you spend in the clock works (server time), or to obtain advanced equipment (content). And since there is an ingame market where players can trade CE without having to buy it, free players can obtain what they need to progress, albeit at a slower rate.

Guildwars works off the exact opposite principal. Players buy the game at full price and NCsoft eats the operational costs of the servers. To generate new revenue, they periodically release content packs. Most are at full price, but can operate as a self contained game, rather then a progressive expansion.

Most subscription based MMOs work by double dipping the customer base. They charge for the base game (usually around half the price of a full game) to recover development costs, charge a sub fee to run the servers, and usually charge for major content updates. At every step of the process they make you pay.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 07:04

#16

raxxok

Legacy Username

So you would rather grind for

So you would rather grind for 100's of hours with little to no progression then pay $20 for a game you will play for 100's of hours?
How cheap are you? You can earn $20 in 15minutes if you have a job, hell go round in a bikini and wash some cars in your neighborhood it'll get you a lot and fast.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 09:50

#17

Starlinvf

I wish I had a job that pays

I wish I had a job that pays $80/hour that doesn't involve activities where I'd have to visit a doctor every other week to check on an itch.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:25

#18

Soulstaker

Who said this game is free to

Who said this game is free to play?i saw in advertising it's pay to play game.Anyways this game is pay to play.cough up some money so you can play.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:32

#19

Madadder

its free to play because i

its free to play because i have yet to pay money for anything in SK

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 15:13

#20

Ryoga124

Legacy Username

>who said this game is free

>who said this game is free to play
If you paid money to download and play Spiral Knights, I think your credit card and bank account might be in trouble.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 18:50

#21

Soulstaker

Yes it said please enter your

Yes it said please enter your credit card number and pay ten bucks.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 02:56

#22

Psychorazer

Uh....?

No, I think the dude is safe.

True, this IS a free to play game, but there ARE paid accounts. Normally you can't have more than one account on a computer, but you can have a free account AND a paid account. Try making another account on your computer. It'll say: No more free accounts can be made on this computer.

Anyway, although I' LOVE the idea of free elevators, I don't think SK will listen. Elevators are the main sinkhole for all the energy in the game.

With enough time, someone could complete the game by only spending energy in the elevator and respawning, because they'd just make crowns and buy stuff.

Srsly, I'd REALLY like the idea of free elevators, but it's a fairly major Energy use, so I don't think it'll work.

Sure, you'd probably think crafting is WAY more major, because it will take more energy than just a couple of lift rides.

Does it? 800 energy to craft a 5* cost at present around 40K. I can make Typically 6K (give or take 2k) from a dungeon run using all my energy with no deaths.

So that's 100 energy. to get 40K then, I'll need to do around 6 of these, leading up to 600 energy used.

Not enough eh? That's only the energy needed to craft. Assuming you already have the materials, you still need the recipe, which costs 25K, which needs another 4 such rounds or so.

That's 1000 Energy. And only typically, single minded clockworking with no deaths. . Of course there are plenty of things you could do that would raise or lower that cost, but at average, Elevators have more weight when it comes to energy spending.

So it WOULD be cool having free elevators, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 04:25

#23

Jeffreysgf

Free is insane.

It would be insane to make it completely free to go into a dungeon. People would no longer bother using energy to revive, as they can just go back to the surface and try again. It would also put on significant server load that is not paid for.
Sure some people can play indefinitely by trading crowns for CE, but that is still paid for, you might not pay yourself, but someone paid to get that CE (or won it of OOO).
What I think should happen is make them cheaper, or make T2 and T1 cheaper.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 12:23

#24

Darkmoonshoadow

lower

why not just lower the amount of energy needed 2 b spent? lets say 7 energy per elevator? and boss elevators could be free?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 12:47

#25

Orangeo

I just made 2 four star items

I just made 2 four star items in four days, starting from scratch, paying these "petty elevetor fees". You can accomplish allot without playing more than 10 games a day. People like the OP just cant fathom the fact that playing ten levels for free is more than enough to make quick progress, and they dont understand that there are allot of ways to make money fast, and easialy.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 18:36

#26

Soulstaker

Once I get to tier three I

Once I get to tier three I just going to spam the crap outta it and then get five star.I am ok with making three star gear but four star costs a lot to make.

Tue, 08/09/2011 - 03:24

#27

Tuhui

You do realize that because

You do realize that because of how the game works the second stratum is most profitable so it does not matter what tier you do just what lvl you are doing in that tier.

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