Spiral Knights - Why do you care so much...

Why do you care so much...

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Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:30

King-Tinkinzar

Why do you care if there is Bomberman as ONE of the PVP games so far? Player VS Player, I don't understand why so many of you idiots are calling it random crap. You say it isn't PVP... Well PVP means Player VS Player, and Bomberman is just that. If you don't like the bomberman thing, don't play it. Simple as that. Have patience and wait for the arena. How many games use the bomberman theme thingy? TONS! Think of it this way. You're doing a project, and you need some information. So you go through a book, and you copy some information and put it in your own words. LOL LOL LOL BAD EXAMPLE BUT YOU GET THE POINT

The arena is coming soon, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stfu and be patient turds

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:37

Evning

the project example is bad, really bad

if you did that for your project,
did no citation,
added no new information or opinions of your own,

thats plagerism and you are going to get seriously whacked by your teacher.

Thats the worry of this bomberman idea.
The IP of the game design
belongs to hudson soft i believe.

If they pursue the matter, we could see SK go *poof* forever

However, i like it, its fun,
had to be done as SK
really match up well with Bomberman.

and i agree, dun like it dun play it~~

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:37

Tgyoshi

I love bomberman unless an

I love bomberman unless an afker comes in the game - destroys ALL the fun. Even if the opponent team got one.
Really - if you want to afk, at least do it in FFA, not in Team >_>.
I'm getting so pissed off those people. There should be a HUGE penalty for those.

Also the glitchy walls and bombs kinda kill the fun.

Those things let me play a lot less bomberman again.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:44

Orangeo

DarthLOL ; "Well PVP means

DarthLOL ; "Well PVP means Player VS Player, and Bomberman is just that."
That's the mistake three rings made, they went " well, I GUESS its PVP, good enough....".

DarthLOL; "Have patience and wait for the arena."
It's not coming smart one. Guess what lockdown will probabaly be: http://www.downloadgamesfree.biz/?game=box-pusher

DarthLOL; "How many games use the bomberman theme thingy? TONS!"
So we arent just copying one thingy, were copying TONS!

And just becuase I don't like how SK put bomberman in dosen't mean I don't like bomberman itself. I play bomberman on SK currently, but I already played a different flash-version with my freinds on another website. So SK has not given me anything in this update useable but a 5 star torkia and a 3 star graviton bomb.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:53

PaletteSwap

Legacy Username

I actually don't think I

I actually don't think I would enjoy pvp similar to fighting in the gates at all, because it means you auto lose unless you already have 5* gear, and if both players do then it comes down to whoever happens to have a damage type the other doesn't resist. And yes, I know dodging and shielding are theoretically a big part of it, but even with a great connection lag is going to throw all of that out the window.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:56

Orangeo

PaletteSwap; "I actually

PaletteSwap; "I actually don't think I would enjoy pvp similar to fighting in the gates at all, because it means you auto lose unless you already have 5* gear"
Everyone gets to use 1 star pvp only gear, you cannot mix pvp gear with pve gear, problem solved. Read stuff.

PaletteSwap; "lag is going to throw all of that out the window."
Oh no! Lag! We better play bomberman becuase it dosent have any! Really man? You play the lag card? Everyhting has lag in this game, and it always will.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:43

Sunless

Bomberman belongs to Hudson

Bomberman belongs to Hudson Soft

Hudson Soft doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for a long while.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:50

dancinjen

Legacy Username

For all those that think pvp

For all those that think pvp will be about who has the best gear please refer to my post about what pvp was like in beta in the thread about "Is beta pvp going to be put back in the game" or whatever the thread is called. I posted what pvp in beta was like. You should read it.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 13:28

Glaice1982

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It still does:

It still does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Soft

It's a part of Konami now, which could spell big trouble for OOO if they see this game's first PVP piece based on the similarity. (I think)

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:00

Jpdnats

Legacy Username

"If you don't like the

"If you don't like the bomberman thing, don't play it. Simple as that."

While I agree with your thread (for the most part), you can't just keep using this stupid excuse for every bad update. People like you just keep forgiving OOO's mistakes, saying, "Dnt like it, dnt play it!!!!". Stop protecting OOO; they made bad decisions, and you know it. They mislead us into thinking a REAL PvP was coming out, and instead we get a poorly produced minigame, barely qualifying as PvP. Don't get my wrong, I LOVE Bomberman, but it definitely doesn't transfer well to SK with the lag.

Anyways, don't tell me you're not going to be mad if Lockdown ends up becoming a Tic-Tac-Toe or a Connect 4 minigame. They're going to keep making crappy content if people like you still refuse to admit OOO messed up.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:05

#10

Gimpyo

it is possible to keep using

it is possible to keep using the same excuse if the same thing applies. if you dont like something, then why sit and complain for days when you can just go find something else to do? now, if OOO does give a hasbrow game for lockdown, i will be pissed, but the bomberman isnt that terrible. i enjoy it, and ill defend OOO until they royally screw up. people asked for pvp, OOO delivered.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:15

#11

evanct

Legacy Username

One of the big complaints

One of the big complaints about Blast Network I see is that it's "supposed" to be PvP, and PvP is supposed to be combat between players using their in-game equipment.

But where does OOO refer to it as PvP? As far as I can see they have only called it Blast Network and King Krogmo's Coliseum. You guys are the only ones that have ever called it PvP. I guess there's this post, where "a special resort monsters visit to relax and watch Knights battle each other for a change" could have been interpreted as OOO saying it was going to be traditional PvP. But if that's seriously the only basis for your complaints.... well, get over it.

And the whole thing about it copying Bomberman? Really? Bomberman is almost 30 years old - at this point it's closer to homage than theft. It's a very simple game anyway, trivial to develop on any platform nowadays.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:17

#12

Orangeo

dancinjen; That was my fourm

dancinjen; That was my fourm :3. Thank you for posting that, I appreciate it. I know I said vote yes or no, but I think it's useable information.

Jpdnats; EXACTALY, THANK YOU, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN

Gimpy0; Just cuse you can dosen't mean you should. Plenty of people who complain toward three rings happen to like bomberman. Like me or Jpdnats. We never said it was terrible, we are just mad that three rings gave us acces to something we could do anyway on any medeoker flash website. OOO did diliver, but it was halfhanded- They couldve done much, much better. Thanks though, for not flipping out like nearly everyone else who dissagress with me.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:20

#13

Orangeo

evanct; I never said that

evanct; I never said that they promised PVP to us, I said that we asked for it. And the whole thing about it copying Bomberman? I can already play this on flash for gods sake. Just put play bomberman in google search. If I can play it in flash, why would being able to do the same thing on spiral knights make me happier? It seems like pure wasted effort.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:21

#14

Gimpyo

DrLequck: no problem.

DrLequck: no problem. however, i still enjoy the game and will defend it. hopefully lockdown can change some views when it comes out though

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:22

#15

Wotwotwotwotwotwot

It's funny that everyone's

It's funny that everyone's assuming OOO didn't pay royalties to use the likeness of Bomberman to begin with, and that's assuming they'd even have to in this case. I'm pretty sure that in this sense it's a non-issue because it's a free-to-play game in the exact same sense that people can use basic design ideas from Super Mario World to make their own hacked levels and then use palette swaps, but still not be responsible for using the general concept.

It's not using a the Bomberman "game engine" per-se aside from the general concept being the same, and the general concept of Bomberman itself is little more than shovelware in it's purest form at this point. And since they're not making people pay for it aside from using an in-game currency that people can acquire without having to pay any money for, then in that sense it's a purely non-profit "homage" to the series. There's no direct transaction from Spiral Knights to users or vice-versa and they're not marketing it as an original idea of theirs. In that respect, I don't think they're infringing on anything, because in no way to they claim to have any original concepts in this game at all through the lack of credits included in any part of the game (as far as I know).

That being said, tl;dr for much of anything else in the thread about how Bomberman is bad or good. It's laggy, we get it, blah blah blah.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:30

#16

Orangeo

Gimpy0: All right, if you

Gimpy0: All right, if you honestly find this version of bomberman sigificantly more fun than any other, then likeing it fair enough. My argument, summed up, is that I don't like it more than any other. It seems like usless noise.

Retequis: I agree. I'm not saying this becuase "copying bomberman is ethicaly wrong" I'm just saying that "Copying bomberman isn't entertaining, becuase I can already play it". And I highly doubt that OOO will get sued or something.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:31

#17

Orangeo

Also, Does anyone think darth

Also, Does anyone think darth LOL will ever even read this? He probabaly never makes more than one comment on any given thread.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:41

#18

Wotwotwotwotwotwot

In all fairness, there's not

In all fairness, there's not a Bomberman clone out there that allows directly playing with friends. If they set up a way to just host private matches with people with no prices gained aside from the crowns paid to play (for example, setting a buy-in kind of like you would for a game of Poker, then whoever wins gets the largest amount of the buy-in for that game, second place gets less, third place gets next to nothing, and whoever's left gets nothing), then I think it'd have had a much better reception, if only because then you can play with whoever you want.

I only felt the need to point out the Bomberman legality issues because so many people are basically running around going, "SK GON GET SUED LOLOLOL". I'm not too keen on the idea of PvP arenas either, but I can't say there's any viable reason to that outside of not knowing how it'd work, since I wasn't around for the beta.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:59

#19

Sunless

I only felt the need to point

I only felt the need to point out the Bomberman legality issues because so many people are basically running around going, "SK GON GET SUED LOLOLOL".

Anyone who believes Three Rings could actually be sued clearly has no idea what they're talking about.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 15:10

#20

Orangeo

"In all fairness, there's not

"In all fairness, there's not a Bomberman clone out there that allows directly playing with friends." I mean same computer play. I play it with my brother, on my laptop, on mofunzone, it's called playing with fire, it's nearly exactaly the same.

And you replicant, are exactaly right.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 16:59

#21

King-Tinkinzar

DrLequack, I actually have a

DrLequack, I actually have a life, therefore I do not have the time to be checking the forum every hour. Blah I don't have time to reply to anything...

I don't understand why people get so angry at the creators. You try making your own MMO and try to please everyones requests. I'm sure they are doing the best they can, lol there used to be only a few developers until the Sega communion hit. blah blah blah I want to troll you all :P

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 17:10

#22

Evning

Its not about if you can already play it elsewhere

Yea bomberman has been replicated everywhere.

but SK is making money off of bomberman.
thats money that IP holders have a right to.
as long as that IP is not expired.
i have no idea when was Bomberman registered
and i have no idea how long game design IPs last.

yes maybe SK has already paid the IP holders
or have some form of agreement.
i seriously hope so.

what makes you all think 3rings
is above getting into legal troubles?

Its not a mistake if some ppl like it right? =_=
its the smthing to do that
dun cost as much energy as
delving into the clockworks
that everyone has been asking about.

So its not the PVP we were all hoping for,
and in fairness they could have named it better, instead of PVP
But its still a nice addition to the game.

As long as there are
people that play it.
people the enjoy playing it.
its not a mistake.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 17:20

#23

Orangeo

"DrLequack, I actually have a

"DrLequack, I actually have a life"
Ok, ok, that was a bit of a stab now... Fair enough though, I just often run into people who just pop in, speak their mind, then run away. I basicaly had to poke you with a stick to make shure you were there. Sorry :/

And Evning,
stop hitting
the enter button
after every couple
of words you type
this is not haiku.

That and saying "SK is making money off of bomberman" Is BS. It just uses regular crowns, all it really does is expose you to being able to buy CE. You also said "So its not the PVP we were all hoping for", and I think that's generaly safe to say but a bit of an overstatment. True, no one asked for bomberman, but allot of people wanted to go in this direction. Not you (i think), not me, but allot of people.
"As long as there are people that play it. people the enjoy playing it. its not a mistake." Theres a good point.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 18:09

#24

Sunless

what makes you all think

what makes you all think 3rings is above getting into legal troubles?

They're not. You just fail to understand there's no legal trouble to be had.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:04

#25

Evning

Multi reply

@ Replicant

i mis-read your previous post.

anyhow, could you elaborate your opinion about
how there are no legality issues over this?
I like to know more.

@drlequack
its easier for ppl to read
if there is only 1 impt point
on every line >.<

and they are making money off a game(SK)
which has Bomberman elements.
It could be argued either way,
when it comes down to it.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:20

#26

Sunless

anyhow, could you elaborate

anyhow, could you elaborate your opinion about how there are no legality issues over this?

You can't copyright an idea. You could make an entire game that steals every idea it has from the Zelda franchise and sell it, but as long as you're not stealing anything from the games themselves (music, sprites/models, code, etc.) there are no legal issues. Ethically, that's a different matter.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:30

#27

Evning

Yes. you can patent an idea

http://wiki.igda.org/IP_Rights_SIG/IP_in_Game_Design

Now how you want to argue,
that its different or similar,
thats a whole other story.

Something i wouldn't want to see,
SK having to do with anyone.

i am not saying, that it will happen,
but it can happen.

i was hoping you were able to clarify,
if 3rings has some arrangements with the IP holders,
or that the IP has already expired,
or something.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:40

#28

Arctic-Fern

Angry Birds has a couple of

Angry Birds has a couple of clones. I didn't hear of any lawsuit regarding those, or for any IOS/Android game for that matter that is a clone of something else.

Remember when Capcom tried to sue SNK because of Art of Fighting? See how well that went over... and now we have a character named Dan.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:41

#29

Sunless

Yes. you can patent an idea I

Yes. you can patent an idea

I want to hit you with a newspaper. Unless there is outright plagerism, there is nothing wrong with using a similar element or idea. If there were, most games created today would not exist because there is no idea in fiction/fantasy that is original.

For postery; if you're not stealing directly from the game, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing to be argued. There's no need to contact or work out an arrangement with Konami. Deal with it.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 20:44

#30

Dragenix

Omgpop has a bomberman style

Omgpop has a bomberman style game but with monkeys. And not really a problem

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 21:09

#31

Evning

Thats Exactly wad i said

Its not out right plagerism,
but its not completely original

yes exactly, variations on an idea
makes it a completely different idea.
Yet at the root, its the same idea.
legal issues are not straight forward.

Its completely sketchy and
We will have to see what happens.
Things can go both ways.

as stated by fernpanda
capcom against snk,
it happened.
results aside, it can happen.

you are going cup half full
I am going cup half empty.
2 sides of a coin.

btw Angry birds is a copy of another game.
Castle Seige. not the one on the iOS app store.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 21:44

#32

Selenashine

Oh god that's annoying to

Oh god that's annoying to read.

I honestly don't see the point of arguing the legality of this. It's already been released, and as far as I can tell, none of us work for OOO. Que sera, sera. There is nothing wrong with a Bomberman-style party mode. I personally love it, and think it matches the simplicity of Spiral Knights in general. I have more problems with the way the client is built, but I still play this game because I can't find anything similar.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 22:02

#33

Jpdnats

Legacy Username

DarthLOL: "You try making

DarthLOL: "You try making your own MMO and try to please everyones requests"

If they can't listen to the players, then they shouldn't have even created the game in the first place. And all we're talking about here is a PvP which already existed before. How hard is it to bring that back? Since the real PvP has been in the works for so long, it better be damn good.

Just a note, don't ever say to someone "Why don't you try?" or "Like you can do any better". While nothings official, we all pretend to be critics and always have a need to give our thoughts. Telling a singer he/she sucks or a video game company they came out with a bad update in no way means we could do it better ourselves. It's just saying how the piece or content COULD have been better. But, it is true that we should cut OOO some slack. The game's so new. Maybe if we came back in a year or two...

Oh and I didn't mean to sound like a troll... What I corrected you on were just some of my WORST internet pet peeves...

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 22:15

#34

Crimson-Lily

woof woof

*dogs barking and the caravan moves on.......*

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 22:48

#35

Sunless

Its not out right plagerism,

Its not out right plagerism, but its not completely original

It's not plageristic at ALL. Not even a little. You clearly have no idea what that word means. There is nothing stolen or copied -- and no, a similar idea is not "stealing" or "copying". Not even close. Get ready for the newspaper.

Yet at the root, its the same idea.

That doesn't matter, you mo- Sigh. I'm not even going to bother anymore.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 23:57

#36

Shoebox

How dare you accuse me of

How dare you accuse me of caring.

In all my time on these forums I have never been more offended!

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:53

#37

Orangeo

It does matter replicant,

It does matter replicant, becuase it bothers us, and kinda wastes my patience. Look at it this way;

1; allot of people who complain about the new pvp acuualy like three rings and bomberman, and probabaly play it often on spiral knights.

2; they are dissapointed that they arent gaining anything out of the update due to already playing other then new weapons that are the same as the old ones (save for the 5* torkia and the 3* graviton, that I appreciate).

3; they are dissapointed that three rings has wasted it's time, and forced them to wait longer for new game elements.

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