DarthLOL ; "Well PVP means Player VS Player, and Bomberman is just that."
That's the mistake three rings made, they went " well, I GUESS its PVP, good enough....".

DarthLOL; "Have patience and wait for the arena."
It's not coming smart one. Guess what lockdown will probabaly be: http://www.downloadgamesfree.biz/?game=box-pusher

DarthLOL; "How many games use the bomberman theme thingy? TONS!"
So we arent just copying one thingy, were copying TONS!

And just becuase I don't like how SK put bomberman in dosen't mean I don't like bomberman itself. I play bomberman on SK currently, but I already played a different flash-version with my freinds on another website. So SK has not given me anything in this update useable but a 5 star torkia and a 3 star graviton bomb.

PaletteSwap; "I actually don't think I would enjoy pvp similar to fighting in the gates at all, because it means you auto lose unless you already have 5* gear"
Everyone gets to use 1 star pvp only gear, you cannot mix pvp gear with pve gear, problem solved. Read stuff.

PaletteSwap; "lag is going to throw all of that out the window."
Oh no! Lag! We better play bomberman becuase it dosent have any! Really man? You play the lag card? Everyhting has lag in this game, and it always will.

For all those that think pvp will be about who has the best gear please refer to my post about what pvp was like in beta in the thread about "Is beta pvp going to be put back in the game" or whatever the thread is called. I posted what pvp in beta was like. You should read it.

"If you don't like the bomberman thing, don't play it. Simple as that."

While I agree with your thread (for the most part), you can't just keep using this stupid excuse for every bad update. People like you just keep forgiving OOO's mistakes, saying, "Dnt like it, dnt play it!!!!". Stop protecting OOO; they made bad decisions, and you know it. They mislead us into thinking a REAL PvP was coming out, and instead we get a poorly produced minigame, barely qualifying as PvP. Don't get my wrong, I LOVE Bomberman, but it definitely doesn't transfer well to SK with the lag.

Anyways, don't tell me you're not going to be mad if Lockdown ends up becoming a Tic-Tac-Toe or a Connect 4 minigame. They're going to keep making crappy content if people like you still refuse to admit OOO messed up.

One of the big complaints about Blast Network I see is that it's "supposed" to be PvP, and PvP is supposed to be combat between players using their in-game equipment.

But where does OOO refer to it as PvP? As far as I can see they have only called it Blast Network and King Krogmo's Coliseum. You guys are the only ones that have ever called it PvP. I guess there's this post, where "a special resort monsters visit to relax and watch Knights battle each other for a change" could have been interpreted as OOO saying it was going to be traditional PvP. But if that's seriously the only basis for your complaints.... well, get over it.

And the whole thing about it copying Bomberman? Really? Bomberman is almost 30 years old - at this point it's closer to homage than theft. It's a very simple game anyway, trivial to develop on any platform nowadays.

evanct; I never said that they promised PVP to us, I said that we asked for it. And the whole thing about it copying Bomberman? I can already play this on flash for gods sake. Just put play bomberman in google search. If I can play it in flash, why would being able to do the same thing on spiral knights make me happier? It seems like pure wasted effort.

It's funny that everyone's assuming OOO didn't pay royalties to use the likeness of Bomberman to begin with, and that's assuming they'd even have to in this case. I'm pretty sure that in this sense it's a non-issue because it's a free-to-play game in the exact same sense that people can use basic design ideas from Super Mario World to make their own hacked levels and then use palette swaps, but still not be responsible for using the general concept.

It's not using a the Bomberman "game engine" per-se aside from the general concept being the same, and the general concept of Bomberman itself is little more than shovelware in it's purest form at this point. And since they're not making people pay for it aside from using an in-game currency that people can acquire without having to pay any money for, then in that sense it's a purely non-profit "homage" to the series. There's no direct transaction from Spiral Knights to users or vice-versa and they're not marketing it as an original idea of theirs. In that respect, I don't think they're infringing on anything, because in no way to they claim to have any original concepts in this game at all through the lack of credits included in any part of the game (as far as I know).

That being said, tl;dr for much of anything else in the thread about how Bomberman is bad or good. It's laggy, we get it, blah blah blah.

Also, Does anyone think darth LOL will ever even read this? He probabaly never makes more than one comment on any given thread.

I only felt the need to point out the Bomberman legality issues because so many people are basically running around going, "SK GON GET SUED LOLOLOL".

Anyone who believes Three Rings could actually be sued clearly has no idea what they're talking about.

"DrLequack, I actually have a life"
Ok, ok, that was a bit of a stab now... Fair enough though, I just often run into people who just pop in, speak their mind, then run away. I basicaly had to poke you with a stick to make shure you were there. Sorry :/

And Evning,
stop hitting
the enter button
after every couple
of words you type
this is not haiku.

That and saying "SK is making money off of bomberman" Is BS. It just uses regular crowns, all it really does is expose you to being able to buy CE. You also said "So its not the PVP we were all hoping for", and I think that's generaly safe to say but a bit of an overstatment. True, no one asked for bomberman, but allot of people wanted to go in this direction. Not you (i think), not me, but allot of people.
"As long as there are people that play it. people the enjoy playing it. its not a mistake." Theres a good point.

@ Replicant

i mis-read your previous post.

anyhow, could you elaborate your opinion about
how there are no legality issues over this?
I like to know more.

@drlequack
its easier for ppl to read
if there is only 1 impt point
on every line >.<

and they are making money off a game(SK)
which has Bomberman elements.
It could be argued either way,
when it comes down to it.

http://wiki.igda.org/IP_Rights_SIG/IP_in_Game_Design

Now how you want to argue,
that its different or similar,
thats a whole other story.

Something i wouldn't want to see,
SK having to do with anyone.

i am not saying, that it will happen,
but it can happen.

i was hoping you were able to clarify,
if 3rings has some arrangements with the IP holders,
or that the IP has already expired,
or something.

Yes. you can patent an idea

I want to hit you with a newspaper. Unless there is outright plagerism, there is nothing wrong with using a similar element or idea. If there were, most games created today would not exist because there is no idea in fiction/fantasy that is original.

For postery; if you're not stealing directly from the game, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing to be argued. There's no need to contact or work out an arrangement with Konami. Deal with it.

Its not out right plagerism,
but its not completely original

yes exactly, variations on an idea
makes it a completely different idea.
Yet at the root, its the same idea.
legal issues are not straight forward.

Its completely sketchy and
We will have to see what happens.
Things can go both ways.

as stated by fernpanda
capcom against snk,
it happened.
results aside, it can happen.

you are going cup half full
I am going cup half empty.
2 sides of a coin.

btw Angry birds is a copy of another game.
Castle Seige. not the one on the iOS app store.

DarthLOL: "You try making your own MMO and try to please everyones requests"

If they can't listen to the players, then they shouldn't have even created the game in the first place. And all we're talking about here is a PvP which already existed before. How hard is it to bring that back? Since the real PvP has been in the works for so long, it better be damn good.

Just a note, don't ever say to someone "Why don't you try?" or "Like you can do any better". While nothings official, we all pretend to be critics and always have a need to give our thoughts. Telling a singer he/she sucks or a video game company they came out with a bad update in no way means we could do it better ourselves. It's just saying how the piece or content COULD have been better. But, it is true that we should cut OOO some slack. The game's so new. Maybe if we came back in a year or two...

Oh and I didn't mean to sound like a troll... What I corrected you on were just some of my WORST internet pet peeves...

Its not out right plagerism, but its not completely original

It's not plageristic at ALL. Not even a little. You clearly have no idea what that word means. There is nothing stolen or copied -- and no, a similar idea is not "stealing" or "copying". Not even close. Get ready for the newspaper.

Yet at the root, its the same idea.

That doesn't matter, you mo- Sigh. I'm not even going to bother anymore.