Miojox's guide on Devilites, Wolvers, Bats, Teleporting wolvers and all kinds of dodging foes
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 07:06
Ok guys, this is for you who wonders how to kill a dodging / teleporting / quick running monster.
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SHIVERMIST.
Freeze them and they won't be a problem at all.
or Graviton Vortex, but I wouldn't suggest this one because:
- Effect is too short;
- Bumps monsters in every direction afterwards;
- Deals shadow damage (not good on devilites, nor bats, neutral to wolvers)
Second: For devilites and bats, equip an elemental sword / pistol / bomb (shock is the greatest combo for freeze).
They'll never dodge a hit again and it's going to be a lot easier to dodge all the flying furniture.
Also, if you have trouble dodging furniture from a frozen devilite, you should call a doctor. Parkinson's Disease is serious.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 07:53
#2
Thanks Evilnut for adding
Thanks Evilnut for adding useful information to my guide.
I still count on my shivermist a lot and so do my teammates. It has MAXIMUM CTR, so charging isn't really a problem.
Then I tend to hide behind objects and fend away from devilites whenever I can, but they have the weird habit of following me everywhere =)
This thread is just a complaint about complainers, you know? So people can post useful stuff like you just did , to help complainers to stop complaining about devilites, wolvers and all dodging kinds of monsters.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 08:16
#3
Gunning is a no against
Gunning is a no against devilites unless: A: It's a silversix/AP/Magnus line. AP preferred. And B: Only gun when low on health and there rant that many. Nice guide btw.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 08:27
#4
I've got a bomber on my team,
I've got a bomber on my team, and she rocks the shivermist. Oh, it's grand. The best part is that I will often get a few hits in on the back of a monster, and then he'll re-freeze from the same bomb as froze him the first time.
Also: For devilites and other fiends (like the greavers), use a piercing weapon. It's super effective against them.
The Snarbolax's thorn blade series swings in a wide arc and has a very long reach. Not only will you deal the super effective piercing damage, but you'll also manage to hit a lot more of them, even if they try to dodge.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 08:29
#5
if your elemental gun is in
if your elemental gun is in the pulsar line, it's actually surprisingly viable against devilites. if you fire a three-shot spread covering a good horizontal arc, it's almost guaranteed that the devilite will dodge into one or two explosions and become shocked. from there, it's much easier to finish them off however you like--either with another weapon, or with the pulsar.
general question: i currently have ash-tail (shooting for vog), and i need to finish up a complete weapon set. i'm not worried about doing solo t3 arenas, but i want a balanced 4* weapon set that will be able to handle any enemy i face in any part of the game up to t3 basil runs...i'll get into AP and DA once i decide to focus on FSC, but for now i'm happy just getting sweet recipes and doing lower tier boss runs with friends.
my current setup:
ash-tail set
wise owlite/dark thorn shield
leviathan
avenger
gigawatt pulsar
silversix
i'd like to put the avenger and silversix away and replace them with a shadow and a piercing weapon. the current plan is barbarous thorn blade and either umbra driver or biohazard, but perhaps i should go acheron or gran faust to take advantage of the vog set's sword ASI? being able to take out menders at a distance is a huge point in favor of going for a shadow gun. your thoughts?
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 08:38
#6
You need both obvob if your
You need both obvob if your gonna do FSC.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 09:38
#7
Seriously, magnus line is the
Seriously, magnus line is the best weapon against all kind of fiend/beast, and it's pierce too! Just don't forget to always, ALWAYS firing one shot only when you are facing 1+ devilite.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 10:29
#8
So I tried using a shivermist
So I tried using a shivermist buster against wolvers like you said, and it did freeze a bunch of them. Then three of them teleported to just the right locations to pin me in a corner. I couldn't shield bump them away because they were frozen. And then a bunch of gremlins came and hacked away at me until I was dead. And it's all your fault. :p
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 10:42
#9
For devilites and bats, equip
For devilites and bats, equip an elemental
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If you are a swordsman and don't already have a Flourish-line weapon then you are doing it wrong. Gunners should already have a piercing gun as well. Bombers are stuck with the Snarby bomb, which is awesome and there is nothing wrong with it. Fiends are weak to piercing, not elemental, as I'm sure someone else already pointed out.
Also, relying heavily on the Shivermist Buster is soooo two months ago.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:29
#10
i just charge in swinging my
i just charge in swinging my khorood and it works every time.
use swords.
of coarse, a shivy buster would be useful still.
o yeah, the bats r called greavers. just thought i'd let u know.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 12:03
#11
@Quizzical
Next time, when
@Quizzical
Next time, when they dig-port (dig + teleport) behind ya, you Karate-chop them outta the way.
Works every time.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 12:25
#12
Not that easy freezing them
Not that easy freezing them in first place.
Happened earlier...
>running around charging my bomb trying not to get hit
>OH GOD WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?! *gets hit*
:I
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 13:04
#13
Attacking seriously risked
Attacking seriously risked stepping on a freeze trap due to the lunge forward, and that basically meant instant death anyway. Also, I got mobbed rather quickly, so often, there isn't time for a real attack rather than a quick shield bump.
Did I mention that I was soloing a danger room? :D
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 13:11
#14
So I tried using a shivermist
So I tried using a shivermist buster against wolvers like you said, and it did freeze a bunch of them. Then three of them teleported to just the right locations to pin me in a corner.
what were you doing in a corner??
I have never found the AP (or blackhawl) that good against dodgers, the first bullet may hit, but the rest don't. My storm driver works reasonably well against devilites in large areas that you can circle strafe. There is a video on youtube of someone doing that on T3 devilites (maybe this one?, but that is a super blaster, I could have sworn it was a SD). The key is to keep moving and the devilites have a hard time dodging the ricocet from the storm driver.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 14:31
#15
The answer is AOE
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 14:52
#16
"what were you doing in a
"what were you doing in a corner??"
The alternative to running through corners is standing near the middle of the room the whole time. That fails to spread the mobs out at all, and it's awfully hard to dodge ten mobs at once without putting some distance between them and me. Darkfang thwackers are a pain to freeze, too, as if they run past the bomb before it explodes, they won't be frozen.
Ever solo a danger room in tier 3 in the room with blocks around the edge without touching the perimeter? Try it and you'll understand why I was in a corner. A slight risk of frozen wolvers teleporting just right to trap me is far preferable to the certain death that awaits if you stay in the center of the room. Well, maybe you could do it if you draw a quicksilver or oiler danger room, but not a wolver/gremlin one, nor, for that matter, a toxigel one.
And with a full room of devilites, you're definitely going to need more than one use of shivermist to get them all. And charging takes time, and before you deploy the bomb you can't block at all.
Which brings you right back to where you should have started: Learn how to dodge.
1. All enemies acquire targets by two principles: First, distance. Second, the player who damaged it the most.
2. If you're alone, you can run back outside to not pickup so many enemies. Divide and conquer.
3. If you're not alone, you can use divide devilites with your teammates. Don't go bash the same devilites - with decent weapons each player can kill one alone within one or two combos. Go find another one to hit. This means the devilites will be busy with different targets - each player has less devilites behind their backs.
4. If you can't run, hide. Obstacles block devilite projectiles. Run around and hide behind them. Don't break them all for no reason.
5. No one force you to use the full combo. You can swing twice on a 3-hit sword then block (and by block I mean block-cancel). Swing once for heavy swords.