Spiral Knights - Blitz Needle, almost useless now?

Blitz Needle, almost useless now?

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Wed, 08/10/2011 - 18:28

Odenmaru

I don't have a Blitz Needle nor have I ever had an Autogun in the first place, but, looking at the wiki the Blitz Needle only has about a bar more Pierce damage than the Plague Needle, however because the Plague Needles bullets all have a chance to Poison, AND there are a ton (From what I've heard), the Poison would probably be activated meaning it could not only increase the Plagues attack power, but decrease the enemies attack and make them be unable to be healed.

So, my question is, is the Blitz Needle almost useless now that the Plague Needle has made an appearance?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 19:09

Tenkii

I don't trust tool tips, but even though we don't have a damage table for it yet, but I'm assuming Plague Needle is noticeably weaker. That's probably at least a UV:low/medium damage worth of damage difference - and I know with heavy swords, it can make the difference between having to do an extra slash. Though if you're in a team where everyone's attacking the same vana- er, monster, it might be more worth it to use plague than Blitz - but the Blitz Needle is probably good enough for general use.

Can someone who has a Plague Needle post some damage numbers? I know Blitz needle got an insane charge attack buff with the introduction of the Plague Needle, so I'm wondering if Plague got its old charge attack damage.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 19:34

Arctic-Fern

If the damage per hit

If the damage per hit difference is substantial (like, say Cold Iron Vanquisher on non-undead compared to Leviathan, over 10%) then it will have to be factored vs how much defense penalty the poison gives. Both data are not available on the wiki yet, so I'm holding my breath.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 00:18

Abathur

I know exactly the difference :)

The Blitz Needle deals about 30-40% MORE DAMAGE than the Plague. I was with a friend at FSC against Varnaduke, wo both used the charge attack, he delt about 100, me 140.

The Blitz Needle is allways good, while the Plague is probably minor better in team or against bosses. To remember: Poison does following effect for the enemy and the party:
- the enemy can't get healed, so for example if there are healers around, you deal massive passive damage. Also poisoned mobs take minor damage from heal, something between 1% and 10% of the healing amount.
- the enemy takes 10% more damage from all attacks, so sword hits deal 550 instead of 500 for ex. too
- the enemy deals 50% less damage to your party

I use Blitz Needle, simple because i got another poison gun. If i would use just one gun, go for Plague.

mfg Abathur ig

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 06:18

Tenkii

NOAP (poison effect)

A few corrections:
- Enemy can't heal itself. It can get healed by other enemies, but the amount is reduced.
- The enemy won't take damage from poison.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 07:05

Abathur

Sorry YOU are wrong

I asked the supporter some days ago what the real effect of poison is, because the guys who wrote the wiki wrote about hundreds of different effects ... the wiki is wrong. The supporter told me and i can confirm this because i poisoned a gremlin mendor while he casted a healfield, on wich he died, killing himself.

Enemies can't heal itself, it can't get healed by other. You see the "taking damage" animation if for ex. a silkwing is next to a poisoned mob. It's the same blue stars like if you attack a mob with a normal attack. You wont see any hearts floating with some +5 instead of +50 or something. They won't get minor heal, they actually get minor damage...

Don't beleve the wiki, it has been made from players for players, i got my information from a producer, so I'm 100% more right than any player that writes something into that wiki :)

*EDIT: Gremlins can heal themself with a heal pill, but taking too damage - poison on enemies is not the same as on the knights

mfg Abathur

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 07:16

Eeks

Xyonon: http://www.youtube.co

Xyonon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm1S1cc6aOc

I would love to see a video definitively proving what you said.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:55

Abathur

This is really confusing me

Hmmm... this seems to be bugged. Going gonna test similar things on Gremlin Mendors. There are following possibilities:
1. Its just bugged (Silkwing)
2. Silkwing got other heal that still heales a bit, while Medors are able to kill somone

Thank you for that Video, i'm going gonna write the same GM per Support tiket again to get him explain me that.

mfg Abathur!

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:11

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

with the huge dmg difference and the pathetic poison effect id also pick the blitz needle now, if i had to decide
another useless gun added to the game from my current point of view lol

just to put it here

vanaduke(i dont see wher else this weapon would be useful)

15x 100 = 1500
15x 140 = 2100

from what u say, poison adds 10% dmg to monster and decreases 50% dmg to player

the 50% dmg decrease could be useful now with the hearts dropping from minions, but at the same time some really good players could be seeing more hearts go to waste, because theyre at max hp

then we hav the 10%, meaning, that u and ur party would have to deal 6000 dmg to make up for the loss of dmg from just 1 fully hitting needle charge..and that during 1 poison status, which shouldnt last very long(note the more ud poison with the plague needle, the more dmg ur blitz would be doing in comparison and the more dmg the party would have to do to make up for the loss in order to make the plague needle at least as useful as the blitz needle)

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:44

Eeks

Xyonon Going gonna test

Xyonon

Been there, done that. It was the first video I made and people claimed menders were bugged and that I should test silkwings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZVVQZL59I

/rolleyes

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 10:31

#10

DarkFriar

Legacy Username

You meant 600 damage?

Cause 6000 damage would be horrible to try to compensate for... but 600...

But the real beef I had is.... hearts going to waste?!

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!

Really good players are happy to see hearts lay on the ground unless they have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder to pick up absolutely everything laying on the ground! If that's really the biggest problem with 50% reduction in damage, I say go damage yourself on some spikes or something.

I'm sorry, and I love you bud, but that is the stupidest argument I've heard about the usefullness of the Plague Needle vs Blitz Needle.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 12:04

#11

Muduku

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damage

well, i own a Blitz with uv med beast and it does mad damage. the only thing is that it doesn't suit my playing style, so i hardly use it anymore. But other than that, it's a great gun.

(btw, anyone with a serious offer can buy it off me)

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