http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/20474
Great changes all around nick! Glad to see PvP AFK addressed so quickly.
Question about the last item - Gamepad controls will only work for the client in focus and not control multiple clients at once.
If there is only one client open will the gamepad still function if the client is not in focus? I usually have some other window in focus so that I can type and use the gamepad simultaneously without alt+tabbing.
Hooray for all the PvP fixes!
Gun Puppies forcing you to play danmaku is probably the "too much farming, make it harder" fix for arena grinding.
Also, I liked it when the menders spazzed out with their wand. :(
I'm going to go ahead and guess that you can no longer play pacifism mode in team play. I used to go 0-1 all the time and cause 5-10 suicides but that probably dishonors Krogmo now lol.
Finally! I hate those Gremlin Menders with their surprise attack with zero warning... Finally I won't accidentally die because they suddenly decides to smack me on the head instead of healing~ :P
LOVE THIS PATCH! Except for the thing about the gun puppys I mean they can shoot through walls too so now they will be even harder to kill.
Nice update here.
Except that I can't reliably have PvP matches anymore, due to my computer's graphic card randomly forcing the game and my laptop to drop to an instantaneous halt, forcing me to waste 5 minutes rebooting everytime to come back on. By which point I'll be kicked and have wasted 200 Crowns. And any chances of being rewarded bribery prizes.
I'll miss that gap of loose generosity.
the only thing I hate about this patch is that the Gun Puppies no longer have a blindspot.
Gone are the days where I would ninja up to the puppy and let out a devestating "Link Spin."
I'm worried about the effect of the gun puppy change w.r.t. arenas too, but it all comes down to details. It may be that instead of charging your sword while sitting directly behind the gun puppy, but instead you have to stand off to the side. It will make it harder if you have lots of other monsters making it so you have to circle several times around the arena to hit them all, but that may be "solved" by working harder to not have many other monsters.
Arenas with 8 gun puppies, especially T3 rocket puppies that will all be awake will be very hard to deal with. I hope this isn't the actual result though.
The other changes sound good to me. I suspect that if I ever play bomberman again (I've played it only once in the last several days), I will end up not getting coins because i'm not doing well enough. Meh. OOO isn't forcing me to play bomberman, so I'm not. No problem.
What does it mean to participate adequately? What if you played for all 5 minutes but couldn't get many kills AND had many deaths? That's my only fear because a bad streak could lead to no rewards. Other than that, the patches are great.
Our requirements for participation and getting your rewards are very generous. You do not need to be of a certain skill level. You can be a 'bad' BN player and still get rewards even with these new changes.
We are trying to address the problem of players AFK-ing in matches or not actually playing, which affects the experience of players who are really trying.
Well you still earn a Krogmo Coin, won't you? No complete loss.
I have more reasons to fear the update, since I could pay 200 Crowns to participate, have my laptop crash, come back to see that I got kicked and received absolutely nothing. So because of exploiting fruitcakes, the lesser folks (me) suffer from potential waste of money. It addresses to a large portion of feedback, but double-edgedly so for some.
These are all great changes and all, but did you fix the mac freezing problem? If you didn't, then I still can't play PvP..
wondering the same thing about the mac fix. is pvp now supported for leopard os?
After i updated the game, i can't logon. I'm using steam and I updated this patch properly. Already tried restarting Steam. Also tried relogging. Neither worked. Every time I try logging in, it says "failed to connect to server".
Kogoya, give it some more time. Everyone else is also trying to log on at the same time.
...and there you go. Triglav isn't important enough to me to not play Spiral Knights while I'm signed into Spiral Knights. It'll remain to be seen what effect it has on the population of lowbie gaterunners.
is there a way to remove the icon from my screen?
...and there you go. Triglav isn't important enough to me to not play Spiral Knights while I'm signed into Spiral Knights. It'll remain to be seen what effect it has on the population of lowbie gaterunners.
is there a way to remove the icon from my screen?
I just played a team match where 6 out of the 8 people were dishonored. Everyone played. So much for that..
If you download Lion you will have no problems playing the game. They cannot accommodate every operating system and they tested it on Lion anyways. LION rocks! it is a MUST GET!
Loved everything about the update except for the Krogmo dishonoring player and Gun Puppy's blind spot's part. From what eek5 said, only the top 2 can get all the prizes which is stupid. Gun Puppy's removed blind spot will make the third room in arena where 8 Gun Puppy spawn (the wave before the last wave) a lot lot harder.
No! Now I cannot kill the Gun Puppies in the third room of arena before the last wave without being hit with a rain of bullets!
BN really needs something that tracks 'assists'. Though I can't imagine how. Many of the kills people get are from trapping others, or blowing up other people's bombs, the latter of which can be both your kill and an accident on their part.
And i liked the Mender Berserk, it gave them character, since the primary time they did it was when there was so much damage flying around they couldn't keep up. So they raged and whacked at you furiously with their stick :P
Why does guild game follows a free-for-all format :/
The system also mysterious rewards rank points to 2-10 ( flag/death) on a losing team over 1-4 and 2-6 on a winning team.
Everyone is eligible for prizes, tokens, etc. in a game, not just the top two players.
Currently an issue with Mac players games freezing up during PVP and having to force quit and restart SK. I assume this time will consider us AFK and boot us from said PVP game. This is a large issue, as I see myself wasting crowns game after game. Its overkill to boot AFK and also not reward AFK players is it not? I think for the sake of Mac players maybe this should be resolved?
Granted I haven't actually tried myself yet but I have heard this from guild mates. I'm going to test it shortly.
EDIT: TESTED and KICKED. Totally not cool. This either AFK or Mac OS needs to be accommodated and fixed please.
For those that said it works fine on Lion and thats enough, Lion came out after or around the same time as PVP, I think prior Mac OS should be put into consideration as well don't you?
I'm going to go ahead and guess that you can no longer play pacifism mode in team play. I used to go 0-1 all the time and cause 5-10 suicides but that probably dishonors Krogmo now lol.
Actually, the defensive option is still viable. I recently played a game where I got 0 kills and 4 deaths and still got rewards. But, if you die a lot and get no kills then you won't get anything.
From what eek5 said, 6 out of 8 players were dishonored (that's probably because only the top two is playing adequately) which means that only the top two received prizes, and from what I saw from my Blast Network battles, all receive tokens and only the top two receives crowns (I stopped playing it after I found out that I have extreme lag so don't know if this is changed or not). Also, what do you mean by not playing adequately? Like not planting any bombs or what?
The game says to support mac os's leopard and later. I shouldnt be forced to upgrade to lion when the game supports the os on my macbook.
Dodging isn't a legit strategy QQ [screenshot]
Target exploiters, punish everyone [video]
1. Yes I realize someone trapped me at the bottom on my first "BS" death. I didn't see it.
2. I realize the irony of this video since I was telling people to try harder so they wouldn't dishonor Krogmo and then I got DQ'd despite playing the entire match.
3. I know my bomb placement is random; I normally don't drop so many bombs since I prefer pacifism which isn't a legit strategy (see above screenshot)
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Seriously, I don't see why anyone on the WINNING team should get DQ'd in a BN match. Maybe they're not playing adequately enough for Krogmo, but did enough (or avoided dying enough) for the team to win. I get that you don't want people to AFK but seriously? Now we're putting completely arbitrary constraints on how you can win? At least with AFKers you got your coins if you played or not. Now you don't even get coins when you play.
Disclaimer: I only played 3 guild matches. I got DQ'd in the last one but 6/8 people got DQ'd the first game. 1 Person got DQ'd the second (and 2 left/were booted) and 2 people got DQ'd the third match.
Yes, the reward system is "very generous" to people who play BN in a very specific way. Apparently it isn't generous to team-play or people who like to think instead of mindlessly setting up the same trap over and over.
That's great and all but I'm not going to waste 6 minutes finding out if I somehow met the conditions of the system while playing the way I like to play, regardless of whether or not my team wins.
just did a couple arenas, and yes its harder, but it was WAY too easy before, so its fine
P.S.: i prolly shoulda reported it ingame f2, but i was doing a tier 2 arena (poison robo d14 on the IMF gate) and a mender started flailing again
Thanks for the information Paska, I'm not playing PvP anymore until this horrible bug is fixed. =(
Ok nick... this new update, wow, it messed up most of my plans for my free day.
(I just got some KKC [King Krogmo Coins] boosters) and I was planning in going afk in every game. (Yes, bless honesty)
So now I'm just playing with my guild some matches and just like other players I preffer to "Play Pacifist"
Several times I won KKC... (I'm happy for that)
But other times I was trying my best to dodge and just fool my opponent. At the end of the match I received the "Not Honorable Notification"...
(Not happy for this)
I must say... try to understand the difference between being AFK and and being "Moving".
I will like to know the "exact things" to not dishonor King Krogmo, that way I will know what do to next time (besides seting bombs in ways that they will explote and kill someone, and "Moving")
… Thanks a lot Nick, keep it up. This game is going well, and I know it will go further.
(Also about Sudaruska... Normal hit in T3 around 219? Charged attack 340?, I hope there is something wrong)
Is it proven that when running OSX Lion during PVP the game NEVER freezes?
@LostTibe, if you pay for the upgrade of all my Macs to Lion, then I'd agree, until then PvP is a no-go for me...
The mac freezing is really unfair to many players as our sk will just freeze randomly and this would allow us to lose tokens and the participation fee. At least, before the patch, we were still able to rejoin if fast enough and continue playing. One thing you've got right is on how to take away afkers. However, I believe you can do better on the dishonorable part of it.
Bummer, so if there is only one client running the game controller will not work unless that window has focus. Would be super awesome if a single client could still function without focus.
Also, one little nitpick - if my controller turns off due to inactivity (chilling in Haven or whatnot) it will not work when I turn it back on. Have to reclient to get it responding again.
I'm pretty sure the dishonoring krogmo thing is about how many bombs you place in the match and not about how much you are running around. It is forcing people to actually "play". I, like all of you, am more of a defensive player. I rather dodge and occasionally plant bombs than to constantly plant bombs. That's all i'm going to say about this in fear of revealing too much.
![Dodging isn't a legit strategy QQ [screenshot]](http://www.4mul8.net/up/files/1246_pwrl8/feelsbadman.png){kind=link}
IM EXTREMELY GLAD ABOUT THIS PATCH.
No caps lock wasn't a mistake, that's a great move from devs.