Spiral Knights - A third Sealed Sword line

A third Sealed Sword line

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Thu, 08/11/2011 - 14:45

Mohandar

I really like the Sealed Sword's charge attack mechanic: it randomly selects an ailment (fire, shock, poison, stun, freeze, curse) and inflicts it on the target. What if a third line were made that emphasized this effect?

4*: Lambent Blade
A powerful sword of mysterious origins whose magical seals have been tampered with. It emanates raw elemental power.
Appearance: Like Sealed Sword, but the outline shimmers light blue, yellow, and orange, fading in and out.
Damage: split normal/elemental
Regular attack: Wide swipe like a regular heavy sword, followed by a forward thrust with narrow cone of attack but high knockback and fast recovery.
Charge attack: Slams sword forward in a vertical chop, sending a glowing fissure in the ground forward a few tiles. Monsters standing on the line will take damage, have a mild chance (~33%) of receiving a moderate status effect, and experience mild knockback away from the knight. The glow color would be based on the status being inflicted: fire, shock, freeze, stun (no poison or curse). The closest visual I can think of is Cloud's Blade Beam in Advent Children.

5*: Radiant Broadsword
A legendary blade whose magical seals have been forcibly removed. It crackles with the power of the elements.
Appearance: Sealed Sword minus outline; crackling blue, yellow and orange sparks along its length (like the way a Storm Driver looks)
Damage: split normal/elemental
Regular attack: same as above
Charge attack: same as above, but with three lines instead one. Still moderate strength effects, but maybe upped to 50%

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 18:19

Snarfalarkus

So....

No offense, but it seems like you're suggesting another Divine Avenger? And it sounds a bit overpowered. The forward thrust and the quick recovery sounds like a mix of a Piercing blade and a heavy sword. I mean, I've read quite a few threads suggesting a neutral sword line for the Sealed Sword, but don't you think this is just another Divine Avenger? Except it inflicts statuses?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 18:40

Starlinvf

Yeah, all you did was mix the

Yeah, all you did was mix the best features of the heavy blades. If you want a proper successor, it would be a Normal damage blade with stronger status effects over a wider area to compensate for the weapon's naturally strong knock back (the major downfall of the sealed sword was never being able to inflict a status effect since it knocked enemies out of range).

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 19:04

Mohandar

It's about the art!

I suppose you could change it to normal damage, and adjust the swing types. In my excitement I admit I probably overbuffed it. The point of my suggestion though was the random status infliction- a mechanism that I thought was really fun, and should have more thought devoted to it. I just think that this has so much art potential- I'd use this sword for the awesome visual effects more than anything.

I really like the charge attack concept though; it would only have about a quarter of the range of the Avenger's charge attack, and it would be a slow-charge sword like the Avenger. Or you could keep the Sealed Sword type charge, but draw bigger, fancier runic markings on the ground, and provide slightly larger AoE. Another alternative might be to have the blade flash the appropriate color when it randomly inflicts a status effect (if you want to allow it to inflict statuses on normal swings).

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:45

Draycos

You know, it could be

You know, it could be Elemental/Shadow. Nothing in the game, NOTHING, deals Elemental and Shadow at the same time, not even enemies, so it'd definitely be unique. The effectiveness and weaknesses of an ele/shad combination are very balanced.

Perhaps, because of how unique it'd be, and how often people get Sealed Swords anyways, the recipes could be bought/found by running some other boss? That'd be a first, too, a boss reward requiring other boss rewards.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:49

Wotwotwotwotwotwot

Why not make it a

Why not make it a piercing/normal weapon to balance out the weapons?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:26

Psychorazer

Good idea

I agree with the last dude. Complete the series...make it whole XD

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 05:00

Duke_Nukem

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I AGREE WITH RETEQUIS

YES, WE NEED A PIERCING/NORMAL BLADE FAST!

-1 on the original idea

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Fri, 08/12/2011 - 05:00

Duke_Nukem

Legacy Username

I AGREE WITH RETEQUIS

YES, WE NEED A PIERCING/NORMAL BLADE FAST!

-1 on the original idea

+389298492394204238428489124248092138420342498234892390842389048234890238493285904 on retequis's idea

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:04

Psychorazer

LOL

LOLZA double posted.

You DO realize that you opinion doesn't need a number reference, right?

But just so you know...

It's over NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (*crush computer mouse*)

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:01

#10

Mohandar

Piercing doesn't fit the sword's theme

A piercing type would "round out" the series, but it seems out of character for the type of sword I'm describing, which is why I've been loathe to suggest it. Elemental-Shadow sounds nifty though.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 17:15

#11

Wotwotwotwotwotwot

I get the fact that you're

I get the fact that you're trying to emphasize the Sealed Sword's supposed "strengths", but with the knockback from a charge attack largely negating the effectiveness of the status infliction, it's hardly worth the effort of coding.

However, a piercing/normal sword on par with the Divine Avenger and Gran Faust is feasible, and wouldn't be as difficult to do. Really, you could probably combine the two to where the piercing sword would inflict the status ailments but still be piercing/normal, since the only way a piercing charge attack would work on par with what the DA/GF have to offer is if it was similar to the Barbarous Thorn Blade's charge attack, which would in turn be pointless.

The problem with strict Elemental/Shadow is that the weapon would arguably fall into the crux of being too situational to be arguably useful. The only thing it'd hit for above neutral damage is Constructs and Slimes, while everything else would resist some part of the attack (Beasts/Gremlins for the elemental, Fiends/Undead for Shadow) which is beyond cumbersome on a sword that only gets two hits per combo. I'd be more for it if it was a 3 hit combo, but then it'd break from the Sealed Sword line, which wouldn't feel right. The damage split is also the main issue as to why the Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza are considered to be too situational to be used outside of FSC and Gremlin-heavy areas respectively.

At least as a piercing/normal, it'd be one of the first swords of its kind, and seeing as how there's Elemental/Normal and Shadow/Normal from the Brandish line, it'd be a nice change of pace to have split damage that doesn't penalize you as harshly in that respect. Not to mention the design for it would be pretty straight-forward - just put a serrated pattern of spikes on the cutting edge of the blade, a few runic symbols on par with what the Sealed Sword offers, and there you go.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 17:24

#12

Orangeo

I could see this being better

I could see this being better used as something completely new, or prehaps a new trokia.

What it sounds like to me is;

large reach sword, like trokia/sealed.
first hit like trokia
second hit like flourish
charge swings like trokia, but gives off a random effect like sealed sword.

But you're just making a custom sword that you'd like as opposed to something generally help the playerbase. Like a peircing sealed sword line.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 17:27

#13

Olajdzija

please

buff the sudurska

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:34

#14

Plaguerider

and triglav

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 02:32

#15

Mooffergooffer

hey

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:03

#16

Quotefanboy

I would love to see the sealed sword be improved upon.

Don't get me wrong, I love the sealed sword and it's charge, but here's the thing.

If it becomes one thing (Strict normal, strict shadow) then it would become too powerful for the situation. Meaning, you see how much damage you do in FSC with a divine avenger? That's from your elemental, imagine that being like 1000 because it's all raw elemental. That'd be a tad too powerful, and perhaps it would make it better then the line of its own path (aka, if full shadow, better then faust, if elemental, avenger).

If you made this the only heavy piercing weapon, then I'd just ask this. How is it piercing? The thing doesn't look piercing at all, unless you make it's t4 line actually look piercing, but that weapon looks more blunt then most that I've seen. Even then so piercing would be cool because of what it is, a heavy piercing, but it wouldn't really make sense at all. Unless the sealed sword upgraded to a lance or something.

Now, if it's full normal, the Triglav and Sudurska suck.
The Triglav and the Sudurska, respectively, have a Slight and a Fair to inflict a strong or moderate of their element.

This weapon would essentially be able to do both of their jobs, and then other things like poison and curse and burn and shock.
Granted, you can't control it, but hey the chance of me freezing with a Triglav is so small it's literally laughable, and the sealed swords elemental charge attack at tier 5 being as pathetic as that would make it worthless, but if you make it any stronger or more effective it'd make these 2 swords useless.

This weapon is a touchy subject because, upon its creation, it would either:

Make other heavy swords with an element to their charge not so special. Sure, with theirs, you can guarantee a chance of fire or the like, but this you can do anything at any time.
Make the Avenger or Faust not as good in the situation they're masters at in comparison to this thing. Sure, this thing won't be as good in situations where they're bad at; however, usually in those situations they're not used anyway.
Be full piercing, which would make the weapon not make sense, but definitely the newest heavy sword on the line.
I'm not saying I wouldn't want this blade, I really want something like this to happen. A green divine avenger / gran faust looking sword would make me go crazy, but a sword like that is really touchy. It's one of those "it's either going to be underpowered or overpowered" because of how you treat it. If you make the elemental rate too low, Triglav, if you make it too high, oh holy god jesus every monster is burning in a corroding poison while shocursed. Too bad they broke out of the freeze.

I would have to say, if I could do anything, I would love to see this things aura, when green, almost become a lance. That way, this thing could actually become piercing. Its charge would have to be tweaked with to be good, but not too good, but stuff like that comes with testing.

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