anyone notice that the time players are allowed to stay idle in battle is shortened ridiculously?

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Leafxc's picture
Leafxc

it happened few times for me recently after the patch fixed. I have been happily running all the way to 22 depth , and then the doorbell rang , and I have to answer it. I ran downstair and had a very short conversation with delivery guy , sign the paper ( it took like few minutes ) and when I came back , such a disappointment that I got kicked out from my level , just because of idleness for few mins < WTHHH ? >

I know that 3Os try to fix and balance the game , but would they reconsider this matter? Why ? because You can't just do the whole run without any interruption? it's playing the game right , so play = joyfulness, what if player ran to their fridge to grab something to eat, to drink , to maximize their joy playing this game? and when they come back "WHAT how come me in HAven? "

Please 3Os , please be more reasonable.

VodkaGR1
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I saw you being to 22 and

I saw you being to 22 and suddenly quit (from the friend list).It must have been less than 3-4 minutes since joining that level that you quit,i don't think there is an AFK kicker for so little time.Maybe the party leader was impatient

Also when kicked you should go solo instead of quitting,people spend energy to go there

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
I think it's safe to say that

I think it's safe to say that OOO's system is a tad strict, but they had to do it. Put the blame on AFK players, they brought this on themselves and, unfortunately, you. If people didn't mass AFK, then OOO wouldn't have to lay down the law, we would be able to do things like run down to the delivery guy real quick. And I eat blueberries to "maximize my game".

And for three rings, you might wanna reconsider this system. It is better than nothing, and I havent been considered AFK by the system, but allot of people who claim they arent seem to be.

Think like this;
There are 10 terrorists in the city.
You make a terrorist catching system.
It catches 20 people, and there are no more terrorists in the city.
Therefore; it had 100% accuracy, becuase it caught all of terrorists, or at least stopped them, but it's really only 50% accurate, becuase it got 10 other people.

So yes, the system is unreliable dispite catching all the AFK players (to my knowlage), but in the end we wouldn't have to put up with this if there werent any AFK players. Or terrorists.

BiggestLoser
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Zelda

"WHAT how come me in HAven? "
idk if thats possible, ive never ended up in haven suddenly, maybe u had died or something idk

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
"On topic, it IS actually

"On topic, it IS actually OOOs fault for the AFKers. They shouldn't have made gear that was only obtainable through playing a game that not all of us find enjoyable."
I'm certianly dissapointed that they implimented this game. But it's people like you who scare me, you see. Becuase you think it's ok to break an obvious rule just becuase you "don't like" something. And that's what terrorists do, they don't like people, so they blow them up. Or in your case; you don't blow them up. In PVP at least, AFKing is just wrong, and people like you do it anyway becuase you act like your getting back at the man or something. The OP at least wasn't deliberately AFK farming, he's just an innocent bystander who got laced in with you guys cause he had to go pick up a package.

Skaiwalka
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Yes I'm a terrorist.....PVP

Yes I'm a terrorist.....
PVP terrorist, be scared.
But seriously? AFKing isn't breaking any rules my friend. And I don't (did) do it to 'get back at the man', I already stated why I AFK'ed, because the 'PVP' is terrible in my opinion and I personally just find it very boring and not enjoyable. Now why that scares you or why you can't understand that is beyond me.

Whether you agree with AFKers or not, OOO made the wrong choice in adding this patch as it's hurting everyone while solving a very minuscule problem that in reality didn't hurt anyone. Like I also already stated, it is very rare that the average players can play this game WITHOUT being interrupted by reality, why I think OOO made a bad move with the 'patch'.

AFKers frustrate you just as much as the Coliseum frustrates the AFKers. That in itself sounds like a fair compromise to me, OOO shouldn't have changed it at all.

[EDIT: Watch the language and personal attacks, please. -Eurydice]

Hova's picture
Hova
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Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
You're funny Skaiwalka. I

You're funny Skaiwalka.
I didn't honestly mean you were a terrorist for god's sake, it's an analogy. And once again, just becuase you don't like something isn't an excuse to ruin it for other people.It might not have been a "rule" but allot of players and three rings asked nicely for people like you to stop. But you didn't, and tada! I dislikeed how the added bomberman, but I truged through it.
"AFKers frustrate you just as much as the Coliseum frustrates the AFKers."
I'm frusturated by both. Now thanks to you, I get double trouble. Eye-for-an-eye isn't a very good rule. just becuase three rings does something stupid dosen't mean you can.

Also;
" I will most likely be banned for this, and as I obviously know this fact and STILL posting this, should indicate even MORE how much I dislike you and your ignorance."
You do realize that I want all AFK players to be banned? That plays into my hands completely. You could say that you were "ignorant" to the fact that swearing at me is only to my own benifit? Or prehaps it was just denial. Smooth move there hot shot.

Character-Name's picture
Character-Name
All Due Respect, apologies if misinformed....

If you don't like PVP you can buy the proceeds (Mod Calibrators, recipes, etc) from the people who enjoy PVPing at the Auction House, right?

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
Or, from me. I got a mod

Or, from me.
I got a mod calibrator with your name on it Skaiwalka. 11k.

Duke_Nukem
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D: Quack's mine

D:
Quack's mine :(
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what?

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
I am no slave, you baka. :P

I am no slave, you baka.
:P

Tengu's picture
Tengu
@Skaiwalka heheheya,

@Skaiwalka

heheheya, ^5
Unfortunately, there's a lot of that on these forums. The first time I posted, BOOM flamed. It was about the CE economy, from my perspective of a noob. I got a lot of trolly, chany responses, and I vowed to quit....which I didn't. The problem was that the game I was ACTUALLY waiting for still wasn't out. I had to game, however, so I just stopped posting.

After I had built 3 5* sets and numerous 4*s that I lost interest in, I figured I was not a noob anymore and came back. Lo and behold, the SAME posts were coming through, and the same nasty responses to them.

the same posts. Over and over. From the first month of the game's alpha to now. Says something, doesn't it?

We're also going to hear the same posts about AFK in perpetuity, and the same rabid detractors, lashing out because of minor irritations to their personal gaming style, and not thinking of a wider audience.

I have to say....it's sort of funny. You know who's doing all the pro-OOO attacks on these boards? Players who earn their CE through online game economies, like buying low/selling high, crafting, etc. Not putting a dime IRL into the game. Why? Most of them aren't old enough to handle finances. They're old enough to dismember an economy online with unethical financial practices...but they're not old enough to pay the bills of the devs.

And...guess who the devs have been listening to? Me, and AFKer who's spent $100+ on CE? Or the 15yo on Steam who LOLOLOLOLOL LRN2PLAY when someone complains about the CE price jacking?

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
not thinking of a wider

not thinking of a wider audience? That's the greatest joke I've heard. I'm thinking of THE audience. You sit there and blow yourself up for "profit". I think it's safe to say that anyone who dosen't afk, dislikes afks. I've never said learn to play, and I don't understand where your getting that. You constantly call out people for being "15" for some reason.
And If anyone's made nasty responses, Skaiwalka; who stated that he realized his post was ban worthy but posted it anyway. The fact is tengu, you just don't like responding to comments. You just "wah wah wah this is my point bye guys". I'm only 15, and I've put in 20 dollars to this game, spending money is not hard. Somehow you manage to brag about how much money you've spent on this, and it perplexes me completely. And the dev's arent listening to you for god's sake, that's why they put in the afk system. To rid themselves of you, since you honestly don't make sense.
In the end, all you have going for you is the fact that your at least 16, and that you bought a fair amount of CE.

Tengu's picture
Tengu
you're thinking of the BN

you're thinking of the BN audience, not the SK audience. The Bomb Network is not Spiral Knights AT. ALL. Yet, it's being backed and supported by the staff and players like you.

How it's not Spiral Knights:

No advantages from wearing your best armors and weapons. SK has no XP system, just gear. BN negates gear by it's nature.
Nothing besides bombs that do not exist in the rest of the game. No swords or guns...
No necessary mist or CE to play.
The mechanics of gameplay don't strictly follow either game, which is why so many are complaining about pathing and lag.
Good players can play it all day long, winning the entry fee for their next runs. After they get their prized bomber masks that do nothing in-game, they can play and play and play while not even spending mist.

You can play it all day long without supporting the larger SK economy AT ALL.

It's a parasite.

BN is the cancer that is killing SK. AND it happened in the summer too. lulz were had!

You're not saying you LIKE cancer, are you LeQuack?

See, I can use associative fallacies for slander too, Mr. "AFKers are akin to terrorists! WAIT I DIDN''T ACTUALLY SAY THAT! YOU'RE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!"

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
"you're thinking of the BN

"you're thinking of the BN audience, not the SK audience. The Bomb Network is not Spiral Knights AT. ALL."
That is true. But you can't justify breaking the no-afk rule just becuase you want the items. I stand by my point, just becuase it sucks dosent mean you can try to take advantage of it.

"Yet, it's being backed and supported by the staff and players like you. "
I am most certianaly not backing it! I like the real bomberman, and the SK version is fun as well, but it is annoying that I'm not getting anything new out of this game anymore.

"BN is the cancer that is killing SK. AND it happened in the summer too. lulz were had! You're not saying LIKE cancer, are you LeQuack?"
No, I'm saying that I'll prove it isnt cancer, the same way I dared Skaiwalka to prove to me that AFKers weren't breaking rules just becuase their point of view. But he chose to swear and leave crying, a like a, say... twelve year old? Who's just too immature to play the game? I think it's fair to say that that was an honest simmilarity between terrorists and AFK players. If you dissagree, lecture me on that instead, Mr."I spent 100 bucks on a game I afk through!".

Tengu's picture
Tengu
WELL, Mr. "I'm backpedaling

WELL, Mr. "I'm backpedaling on my defense of BN", The only thing that AFKing was breaking, rule-wise, was POSSIBLY the spirit of the game. I say POSSIBLY because there's a lot of people like me who actually don't like playing games we don't like, but we want to access items that we've been able to kill mobs and bosses for previously. These are the first recipes that playing SK won't help achieve at all, unless you're willing to pay the high cost of unbound weaponry...which is something I would rather build.

What else isn't in the spirit of the game?

Selling elite weapons in the AH.
Anchoring.
Level jumping via guilds or friends.
Not killing bosses.
Alts for crafting.
Sell Mod Calibrators.

Why do I say these are against the spirit of the game? It's profiteering with less effort, or manipulating the communication system for profit, or selling a product to people who didn't earn it.

The thing is, the AH was made for selling items and weapons...the 3* binding patch hurt it, then Punch showed up and does it for huge amount of CE. Anchoring techniques are talked about on the forums and chatted about in open chat. There's a "join" function in the interaction menu. The Paid Players function exists. Mod Calibrators aren't bind. All these things that are in the spirit of profit and not hard work and grind are not in the spirit of the game, and you won't find stuff like this ignored or supported in other systems this readily.

AFKing fits in the same group of activities, and the other activities are not punished. Therefore..they're in the spirit of the game, I guess.

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
"I'm backpedaling on my

"I'm backpedaling on my defense of BN"
I'm most certianly not. I've heckeled the game makers on multiple fourms. I don't attack AFKing becuase I like bomberman, I do it becuase it's already annoying enough.
"What else isn't in the spirit of the game?

Selling elite weapons in the AH.
Anchoring.
Level jumping via guilds or friends.
Not killing bosses.
Alts for crafting.
Sell Mod Calibrators."

Other than not killing bosses and just leeching as your friend does, I think those are all fair enough. Anchoring is kinda iffey, though if your freind is on depth 23 right before FSC, I don't think it's wrong to join them if you're prepared. Selling mod calibrators is fine, now people won't have to get hassled to play it if they only want the items. Those things are somethimes "profiteering with less effort", but AFKing is profeteering with no effort, that can disrupt someone elses game. Theres a reason why OOO issued a anti-AFK patch as opposed to an anti-anchoring patch.

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Eurydice
Community Manager
Spiral HQ is still watching

Spiral HQ is still watching and calibrating the anti-idling/anti-cheating stuff. There will likely be some further changes to it.

Let's discuss the topic at hand and not attack each other, please. Thanks!

Tengu's picture
Tengu
...okay. :( Yes, the idling

...okay. :(

Yes, the idling time needs some adjusting. I got booted when I was idling in the arcade when I bio breaked.

Sturak
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As far as the actual topic

As far as the actual topic goes... You can stand around for AT LEAST 5 minutes before your character "goes to sleep".
You have AT LEAST another 5 minutes before you get disconnected for inactivity.

Now, it could actually be longer than that. But I know that I've been away from my game for a good 10 minutes, and I was still logged in.
This was last night.

So, there's no problems with "fast disconnects".

Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
Here comes Eurydice like a

Here comes Eurydice like a cowboy O_O
Pew pew! GAME OVER.
"I got booted when I was idling in the arcade."
That can happen? I figured it was just levels and PVP, and it's only really nessecary in pvp (to serve it's purpose at least).
"You have AT LEAST another 5 minutes before you get disconnected for inactivity."
That's about how long it takes to get a package I guess... Still, I don't get disconnected, and I've played the same way I did since the update.

ummeiko
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I do notice it's less time to

I do notice it's less time to disconnect due to idleness, in clockworks and in haven. I understand that OOO doesn't want people chilling on servers and taking up resources when they're gone for hours, but it does seem a little too short right now. Most of the other online games I've played give at least a half hour leeway. Seems a good amount of time in case of phone/visitor/food/bathroom/cat on fire situations.

At the very least, I don't think another five minutes is unreasonable.

Tengu's picture
Tengu
wouldn't be a bad idea to

wouldn't be a bad idea to test it out a bit, actually...
I'mma work on that. Arcade, Haven, Clockwork Lobby, Training Hall. We know it's tight in BN.
I'll post my findings in a few days.

Klipwc's picture
Klipwc
Heres what i do... take 8

Heres what i do... take 8 heavy coins and put it on your W key, it works to prevent getting DC, if you are not at crossroads you should not be doing this however

Arctic-Fern's picture
Arctic-Fern
...If those 8 heavy coins are

...If those 8 heavy coins are small enough to not interfere with other keys AND stay in place... I'd love to know how it's done without glue...

Leafxc's picture
Leafxc
I was solo and at the start

I was solo and at the start of 22 level so being killed by mobs would be impossible . it is still mysterious why I got back to Haven !?

Acid_Snow
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Lottery

Did any of you think that it might have something to do with the lottery?