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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:17
Miseryman
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It sort of just hit me one day. When people are trying to earn money they put it in the bank to earn interest. Why not the same for spiral knights? I figure that there might be a way to do loans with crowns and invest them to earn interest. But there should be conditions so here it is:

1. Money in the bank receives .03% interest a day, but you must log on for that day to get it.
2. Any loans taken out need to be repaid within 1 week with .05% interest a day for a penalty, failure to pay results in mist tank having mist energy taken out every time you log on till it is paid off. And you can't receive mist energy from the environment while playing.
3. A loan option to appear while downed in combat for a loan of crowns for enough to buy 100 energy, or energy and charge in crowns depending on how much you need.
4. No limit on how much you can put in the bank.

But a bank would be an excellent addition to the game. Fair rates, getting punished for failing, and rewarded for investing. Makes everyone happy.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:32
#1
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Madadder
1.Interest would only devalue

1.Interest would only devalue Crowns MORE causing more inflation
2.no all that would happen is a loan is taken out then that money would transfer somewhere else and then they hop on another character and give the loan money to them
3.no
4.we have no limit to how much we can hold on our person as far as i can tell

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:06
#2
Miseryman
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1. Interest will not devalue

1. Interest will not devalue the crowns, easily available during clockwork, and how would there be any inflation, as long as CE stays the same the price of everything stays constant. It is a problem people are trying to buyout other people in the market which is the reason for the price of CE going up.
2. Mist Energy is the same for all characters on your account, if that is a problem make it so you can only take out a certain amount.
3. It was an idea, don't bash ideas that could work.
4. Never said you couldn't hold as much as can for your character, there should be no limit on how much the bank can hold.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:19
#3
Madadder's picture
Madadder
1. yes it will since you are

1. yes it will, since you are generating crowns magically and players would never have to go through the clockworks EVEN if the interest rates are so low more crowns pumped into the economy the more inflation will follow

2. doesnt matter, loans are a very bad idea in games. name one MMO that uses loans in the way you suggest?

3. yes it is an idea, but i know for a fact it wouldnt work... you dont really understand the player base as a whole and how abuseable these ideas are

4. so whats the point of having a bank if you can have it all in your inventory? security?

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:31
#4
Psychorazer
Eh

I'm going to have to disagree with all your options aside from the last one. I'm WAY too tempted to spend my cash on things when I see how much I got, so I always end back up at square 1.

Yeah, I know we have unlimited inventory space, but don't we all actually? In real life, you could carry as much as you wanted with you, but then it would be just SOOO easy to just spend it. I need a place to keep it aside from my inventory or I'll find it goes missing one day. And that i'll have a ton of useless stuff, or a couple of people running around me saying thanx for the free weapons/gear/mats or something or other.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 14:38
#5
Miseryman
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1. You are still wrong, in

1. You are still wrong, in order to get any crowns out of the interest you need at least 10,000 Crowns to get just 3 crowns with interest. It is a video game, there is magical money everywhere. The only thing in the game that can cost you actual cash was if you were to buy CE from the shop.

2. It is an idea, I don't see you coming up with anything, you are probably just a player who looks out just for himself, my ideas benefit everyone and ease the pain of CE a little.

3. I never said a bank for your inventory but that does not sound like a bad idea either. A little organization never hurt any game.

4. It is all to make the game more fun, what is wrong with making it more fun and interactive, it is not real life.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 15:26
#6
Akarinmimiz
Not sure about this

I think what we need is a way to take crowns out of circulation, not to create new ways to add them in. It's partly why the CE prices get pushed up and up. Though setting the interest rate so ridiculously low means the net result is creating a bigger divide between the rich and the poor.

With regards to the loan system I think it would be nice if, say, you died near the end of a floor on a solo run and just didn't have quite enough energy to self revive. This only really seems to be an issue for beginner players though since later players will almost certainly have at least some CE in reserve.

Intentional abuse is a concern, which is why we would need to stay away from tangible loans such as crowns (last thing we need is some people farming loans to transfer the results to another account).

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 16:25
#7
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Madadder
1.the money is mainly

1.the money is mainly generated via the clockworks aka ACTUALLY PLAYING. otherwise, its merely selling goods at insanely low prices to NPC venders. this would only hurt us more

2. i once posted an idea for a excess heat being turned into crowns only to get slammed with the inflation argument which turned out true. everyone posting here thinks their idea is groundbreaking and should be implemented, but no they aren't really

3. organizing your inventory is one thing, stuffing it away is another

4.how is this more fun? there is nothing interactive about this either.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 17:03
#8
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Quasirandom
Online games typically don't

Online games typically don't need ways for veteran players to get even larger advantages over newer players, which is what getting interest on your crowns would do.

Loans in online games also often aren't paid back. One exploit would be taking out a huge loan and spending (or giving away) the crowns when you're going to quit the game anyway.

Another problem with loans is that people who take out loans intending to pay them back and then end up with a ton of debt may get frustrated and decide that it's better to just quit the game. Three Rings doesn't want that, for obvious reasons.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 18:44
#9
Miseryman
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Well just forget about the

Well just forget about the loans then, from what I have seen people quite because the game runs to slow to keep going. Slow as in you only get 100 ME a day. It is quite easy to earn just enough to your tier 2 equipment, even I am starting to have trouble getting tier 3. and unless you have 10,000,000 Crowns in the bank with a .03% interest is 3,000 , then you really aren't going to get much. Plus, you would not automatically generate the cash, you would have to log on daily (every 24 hours) to claim it. Relying on a bank for income is completely slow, I earn money faster each day selling all the equipment I make for Auction House (15,000 every 2 days). A bank is just a slow way to get a little extra for jumping online each day. I myself am a veteran player and struggle to maintain crowns and CE. There is really no way to exploit a bank that you have to log in to access, people who usually log on play or make equipment every time they get on.

The loan part I gave little thought to, so it would really not bother me the slightest if it was not applied. Like I said the game is slow playing, but the bank is a brilliant idea. The way I see it people use real banks on a daily bases, and every month people get a (.02-.03)% interest a month not much but it makes people happier that something rolls in by holding money someplace secure. The same thing will happen in the game, why would anyone be angry if someone is earning 10 crowns a day just by logging in. I hardly see how it helping veteran players to much, veteran players still have a huge problem with CE and making equipment for ourselves still puts a damper on energy. The bank was pretty much the only thing I put thought in. And if they put in a equipment storage that is like a bonus. My idea is just a ridiculous as the grimilins they put in the bazaar to modify equipment, the bank is something people will see as a positive once it is applied.

@Monkeyman135: Prices for NPC products will always remain the same. I still fail to see how, the economy of the game will crash if someone earns 3 crowns by having 10,000 crowns in a bank. And why would you have a problem with people stuffing there stuff in a bank, it is not like people are going to drop it so you can pick it up, what people decide to do with there equipment is up to them.

@Quizzical: Just forget the loans then. You made a good point about people quitting like that.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:04
#10
Glaice1982
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What if there was the bank

What if there was the bank but NO interest? It's good for the bad spenders so they have some cash to do diving into tier 2 or 3.

No loans, that is a very bad idea. Some noob can take out 1m worth and won't ever be able to pay it back.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:07
#11
Miseryman
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@ Glaice1982 Then there is no

@ Glaice1982 Then there is no point in a bank, the interest is so low, you need to have a good share of money before you get anything big. It basically mimics a real bank. 10,000 isn't much but, the interest then is little itself, for all those who haven't taken any calculus, statistics, and or business classes would not understand how fair the interest is. You make it seem as people who have worked hard to get as much do not deserve a little more on the side. And being a bad spender, this can help you in real life prioritize what really matters and the benefits of holding off. It is simple strategy, it is not as if I am asking for a stock market, then we all would be in trouble.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:17
#12
Psychorazer
^_-

Really? No comments on my storage idea? Not even a 'Shut the hell up Valk, we've heard you over 9000 times.'

I tend to spend a lot, and help other people with whatever I have in my inventory, so storage for me is a good idea. You can leave back-up stuff in there for when you blow out your inventory on something useless, so you have extra cash to fall back on.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 23:07
#13
Miseryman
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I agreed with you on the

I agreed with you on the storage, I hate it when I drop my boxes to look for stuff and I have to keep scrolling to find it. It is small stuff that makes people happy. I would like someplace to store my stuff, all the drop tabs, it just fills the right side of the screen.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 01:27
#14
Psychorazer
THANK YOU

FINALLY! SOMEONE who agrees that storage space is a good idea.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 13:18
#15
Miseryman
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Yeah but this is not about

Yeah but this is not about storage, this is about a bank. And I have even figured even a .3% interest is not a bad idea either. You figure how much can you get with 30 crowns or in fact 3 crowns depending on how much is in the bank. Like I said you can't make a living off of interest from the bank, so there should be no real objections. And if anyone thinks this start a crazy price change in AH it shouldn't, prices for AH are determined by a few principles Rarity, Amount of CE and Crowns used to make item, how much paid for the item. Stability should stay constant, CE will increase like it has since the gremlins were introduced ( when they came it was 4,000 for CE, now it is 5,300). CE is a bidding war, and unless people try to stop outbidding each other there is no way the price of CE will go down. The bank is a stable concept as long as you keep money in it.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 13:34
#16
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Madadder
.3% of 100000 crowns in the

.3% of 100000 crowns in the bank= 300 crowns per day. if they constantly add to the bank via running dungeons it only on ME increases the amount hence its a bad idea. name one MMO that uses the idea of interest in a bank.

how do you define rarity? its not like there much left that a player make... maybe a mewkat helm but thats it. all 5* equipment costs the same CE/CR wise, the only difference is the usefulness of it in dungeons runs.

the gremlins where a sink that was needed, inflation of CE prices was bound to happen with or without them

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 14:34
#17
Miseryman
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@monkryman135: You would be

@monkryman135: You would be jealous over someone making 300 cr for holding on to money in a bank. Right now CE is 6K, it would take 20 days of that to get 100 CE. 300 Crowns is probably enough to buy some common mats in the AH. And running say 10 floors in the clockworks usually yeilds around maybe 7,000 cr if you go from floor 1 to 13. Your argument is still invalid, the current rate in which CE is increasing I would say it will hit 6.5K for 100 in about 1 week. Plus to get another 100,000 in the bank that is a total of 14 days 2 weeks of running just to up another 300. Now are saying people who work hard to earn money don't deserve any sort of reward for working hard? Are you saying that people who can hold on to there money and invest it for further use do not deserve anything else? From what you are complaining about is the fact people who would work hard to earn "FAKE" money don't deserve anything for doing just that. Also the fact that this game is unique and is not suppose to mimic any other game why bring up other MMO, it also seems you are looking for an experience similar to other games found over the web. I see things in a capitalistic fashion where the person working hard gets a reward at the end of the day for doing just that. Tell me, would any other game offer such an opportunity?

*I also forgot the UV for an item that also affects price.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 14:53
#18
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Madadder
ya 20 days if u did nothing

ya 20 days if u did nothing at all... add to that the money gotten from dungeon runs from using ME, thats an additional 7k average added to that total in the bank which would increase the amount of interest gained. your ideas are invalid because you dont understand the ramifications of what this would cause. if they work hard for their money it would show in the equipment that earned SIMPLE AS THAT.

this game isn't as "unique" as you so claim or have you forgotten the bomberknight mini game? if your going to exclude it then what about link 4 swords? this game is often compared to it. and what about those that DIDNT work hard for their money? you say we should reward them?

if this was an actual good idea they WOULD implement it in other games, these sorts of thing is inevitable. WoW is going to have an update where you can combine the looks of one set of armor with the stats of another. this feature was announced months ago that it was going to be in Guild Wars 2. now, i don't know where this idea originated, but it was popular enough to be cloned. the idea of interest would be no different if it was good

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:17
#19
Miseryman
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How are you saying people

How are you saying people aren't working hard to earn the crowns one way or another, one way or another they had to do something to get them, whither by selling the equipment they make, the materials they get, depositing the minerals they mined, selling the CE they bought with real money, going down into the clockworks and cleaning the clocks of the monsters there. The equipment is still earned, you have not exactly told me what this hurts. The idea of people getting something for time each day really seems to bother you a lot. You are acting as if the bank will give them equipment, equipment is still earned as usual, to level up equipment you have to go through the clockworks still, which costs energy, either way you are spending what you have to get further ahead. I thought of every aspect of the game, I still can go on with this. It is not profitable not to go in the clockworks. The bank will still force you to go in clockworks if you want to further your investment. No matter how you look at it people will progress, and some will get rich because they are wise, others can relay on it for some support. From what you are implying that people will get something during their off time coming back and there is a little something for them to move on. What exactly is your beef with this capitalistic idea? You have no bases to support your argument other than the fact someone is getting something for coming online when they have the spare time.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:37
#20
Madadder's picture
Madadder
because people dont always

because people dont always work hard for it whether its buying CE to sell off the CE market or scamming, stealing, etc (yes OOO mitigates this but it still happens)

i dislike capitalism in general but thats not the issue here. the issue here is that you are contributing to more crowns generated and pumped into the economy, and for doing practically nothing (doesnt matter how little is generated). not to mention the continued devaluing of the worth of Crowns

no it wouldnt force you to go into the clockworks (the ME could contribute though.) all it would do is influence you to do is get online once a day to get the interest crowns.

what is your bases for your argument, the ones that are pro this idea? im dying to hear them.

doesnt really matter in the end, OOO wouldnt do this, no MMO company would put this into their game. it would be a death sentence.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 16:20
#21
Miseryman
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No capitalism is exactly the

No capitalism is exactly the issue, even though you deny it. Crowns is a fake currency that exist in a matter of (x) in an equation, and you are wrong about it being a death sentence, it helps stimulate a economy that looses players due to an economy that requires vast amount of time and effort to built those advanced weapons. No matter how you look at it this would force people CE in a game where CE is either bought through actual money or through the market. Those who have the means can use it will, the prices for CE are always going up and down. There is an attraction that draws people into a system that allows more commerce and the ability to make more when you put more effort into making it possible. It seems you fear what may change, in a game that is new and requires change to keep the player playing and paying and to attract the attention of just spectators. It can even possibly be a life lesson on how hard work can benefit yourself and enforce a good habit of holding off and earning more for a better tomorrow. And anyone who would log onto a game to get the smallest amount of money either is weak willed or has nothing better to do. And the bases for the argument of it making you go into the clockworks it that higher end weapons require levels to be upgraded, and if someone relies on a bank will never get anywhere within a game that has you improve to further improve yourself. The game cannot be won without work, and for anyone to actually get on the game and just never go into clockworks should never have even started. You have not provided a good enough excuse for why the system will crumble under any such circumstances, and if it does get imp implemented and becomes a success the argument imposed would indeed be falsified. If any such system were to be made and it does hurt the economy in the way you think it may OOO only need to remove it like it has with other things, creatures, and misc things that are found throughout the forum.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 16:54
#22
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Madadder
you know what.... i am sick

you know what.... i am sick of this, you cannot be reasoned with. make note that i wholeheartedly disagree with this and be done with it, i will no longer bump this thread.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:11
#23
Miseryman
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Thank you, from what I have

Thank you, from what I have seen you disagree with any ideas in the suggestion thread. These threads are used to help make the game more fun and for people to express what they think can help make the game better, it doesn't need someone who thinks he know the economy.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:27
#24
Madadder's picture
Madadder
i know i said i would stop

i know i said i would stop but there is just something i need to point out here.

i don't disagree with every suggestion, i have liked some, while others needed to be refined, even those i was indifferent about. this just so happens to fall into my "dislike" category

edit: dang forum coughed out on me for awhile there

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:24
#25
Tuhui's picture
Tuhui
If a big guild worked

If a big guild worked together they could easily exploit this. 10k per player in a 100 person guild will make a huge difference.

P.S. Alot of the things that get put into the sugestion file are either unnesesary or just unreasonable to the game.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:30
#26
Miseryman
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The fact of that would be the

The fact of that would be the interest is still the same, it is that as if everyone had their money in their own bank. The same revenue will be made wither it is in one account or if it was spread across an entire guild.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:35
#27
Tuhui's picture
Tuhui
People usualy don't care

People usualy don't care about small increases so the only way some people would do this is in big groups and some guilds might have a bank knight that holds all the guild money and now that would be getting interist that it would have not gotten before.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:42
#28
Miseryman
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There would be a slight

There would be a slight problem with that, how would everyone know how much to take out when they need it. Personal banks are monitored by the person who puts the money in. And a guild bank would cause problems between guild members. Oh yeah, some people care about the small changes in how much other people get, just look at all of monkeyman135 posts, he is fully opposed to anyone making any crowns through any sort of bank and hates capitalism ( the finest gift in any society.)

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:45
#29
Tuhui's picture
Tuhui
If it's a guild that trusts

If it's a guild that trusts each other then it could work out and at this point it's just us arguing to each other with probably no one paying atention, except for people who find this funny, and one way or another the GMs have already decided, if they even looked at this, and this is all pointless.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:51
#30
Miseryman
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I don't know if the game

I don't know if the game masters read these, I would have thought they would have voiced something right about now about the constant debating on the issue (I love a good debate){Hate politics though}. You know something like it seems like a nice idea, or it may be considered, or it would not be in our best interest. Well if a guild really trust each other then a with a regular bank you might as well stick it on one account and trust that they will give you money when you need it and trust that they don't spend it.

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