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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 13:14
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake

I use blitz needle in duke fights because the dps is insane. However, there can be a time when I can't move away fast enough to dodge his hammer and can only just shield in time. I use barbarous thorn shield, and this breaks in one hit + I receive fire and stun. I use full skolver (no fire or elemental resist) so that fire hurts like a [tart].

So, which UV is best to stop a hammer breaking barbarous thorn shield in one hit, and how high of a UV would be required?

I was thinking Elemental High/Max.

Kinda looking for people who have this shield with a UV that stops shield breaking in one hit, not just guesses and assumptions.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 13:47
#1
Murukamag
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Umm...

You should just get a different shield like the Volcanic Plate Shield or the Grey Owlite...
You should also consider getting a Vog Cub set for FSC.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 14:13
#2
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake
No ¬_¬

No ¬_¬

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 14:44
#3
Kyzrath
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Elemental High/Max or normal

Elemental High/Max or normal high/max still wouldn't be enough because the shield's health is too low, and the fire damage afterwards CAN be mitigated somewhat by your shield.. but since Skolver has no elemental defense, you're kinda trying to put out a fire by throwing grease on it.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 00:17
#4
Murukamag
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Well..

You can try to get both Max Fire and Max Elemental/Normal UV on your shield, armor, and helmet; that would mitigate part of the damage, but it would be a LOT more expensive than just getting yourself a Vog set and/or a VPS/Owlite Shield.

Anyways, if you're gonna be stubborn and keep using a Skolver + Thorn Shield for FSC runs, have fun getting burned and getting your shield smashed. A UV will NOT help too much.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 23:56
#5
Bigfootm's picture
Bigfootm
Get the Vog set and Norm AND

Get the Vog set and Norm
AND ELE def on your shield. I've done a dew runs with people against duke and it breaks after 2 hits of fire or 1 mace.
Can you not doge? It's really, REALLY easy.

Ele fir the fire and normal
For the mace

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 16:15
#6
Bigfootm's picture
Bigfootm
Plus, you said you are using

Plus, you said you are using your blitz needle. SKOLVER GIVES SWORD BONUS. YOU SHOULD ONLY USE SWORDS IN PHASE 1, 2, AND 4 AGAIBST VANADUKE.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 16:31
#7
Pupu
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Wut

Lol Vog Cub & Barbarous. Nobody has a clue what they are talking about here.
Mace is normal, so Max Normal on your shield should help. Elemental is for bullet phase and magma.

Also Citadel is Bomb & Gun domain, swords are terrible there.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 18:58
#8
Jigokunoinu
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so Max Normal on your shield

so Max Normal on your shield should help

The point people were making though is that even with Max Normal, his shield will still break from a single Vanaduke hit ...

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 19:21
#9
Eeks's picture
Eeks
Normal Max + Stun Max might

Normal Max + Stun Max might do it but who knows? What I did instead was just started to use an Owlite Shield w/ +med dmg to sword module.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 23:54
#10
Pupu
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Evidence?

Got any evidence on that Jigo? As far as I know defensive UVs are mostly untested.
And everyone suggested Elemental max, which is nonsense.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 00:43
#11
Jigokunoinu
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I was just highlighting

I was just highlighting Kyzrath's statement that "normal high/max still wouldn't be enough because the shield's health is too low".

But if I ever roll a max normal on my BTS I'll be sure to try it out ;)

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 10:00
#12
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake
With my current setup I have

With my current setup I have max dmg, max ctr and high asi. I am not giving that up, so don't tell me to change me setup.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 10:17
#13
IceMilkTea
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Well whatever UV you put on

Well whatever UV you put on that BTS i think itll still break from 1 mace hit.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 12:18
#14
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake
@BigFootM I assume you have

@BigFootM I assume you have never used a blitz needle then.....

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 13:15
#15
Mohandar's picture
Mohandar
Blitz is the weapon of choice

Blitz is the weapon of choice for vana pros, preferably with CTR. The mace hit is probably normal-stun-fire (maybe on the fire), so supposing you were to get max UVs on those defenses and statuses, your Thorn shield might hold. As for shield UVs, my impression was they do make a significant difference if your shield has no native resist/defense against that type.

However, if you insist on Skolver/Thorn combo, unless you have great fire UVs then any pain you bring on yourself is your own fault. You are min maxing (not necessarily a bad thing), but the price you pay is certain weaknesses for your overwhelming sword offense.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 14:38
#16
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake
The weaknesses aren't a

The weaknesses aren't a problem because I am so used to shielding and dodging to avoid all damage. It is just duke fight can get kinda dangerous when I release charge attack and can not move for a bit. A badly timed charge attack and I am defenseless and die very fast.

I guess I will just have to get good at releasing charge attacks at the perfect time :D

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:50
#17
BiggestLoser
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Zelda

"I use blitz needle in duke fights because the dps is insane. However, there can be a time when I can't move away fast enough to dodge his hammer and can only just shield in time. I use barbarous thorn shield, and this breaks in one hit + I receive fire and stun. I use full skolver (no fire or elemental resist) so that fire hurts like a [tart].----------

So, which UV is best to stop a hammer breaking barbarous thorn shield in one hit, and how high of a UV would be required?

I was thinking Elemental High/Max.

Kinda looking for people who have this shield with a UV that stops shield breaking in one hit, not just guesses and assumptions."

("You should just get a different shield like the Volcanic Plate Shield or the Grey Owlite...
You should also consider getting a Vog Cub set for FSC.")
"No ¬_¬"--------------------

"With my current setup I have max dmg, max ctr and high asi. I am not giving that up, so don't tell me to change me setup."

"The weaknesses aren't a problem because I am so used to shielding and dodging to avoid all damage. It is just duke fight can get kinda dangerous when I release charge attack and can not move for a bit. A badly timed charge attack and I am defenseless and die very fast.

I guess I will just have to get good at releasing charge attacks at the perfect time :D"-------------------------------

---------- no point in skolver, fsc is a joke, the dmg bonus is tiny, u can always switch to skolver outside of fsc
-------------------- i think ur pretty much on ur own, might get lucky finding some rich guy who rolled bts for max uvs and tryed it out on dukes mace idk gl
------------------------------- idk if u solo or party, but in party just tell ur party to revive u, the needle wont let duke live long when u hit properly, instant fire spawns might be a pain in skolver i dont really wana think of it, cuz its unfair, so dodging alone wont be enough, itll cost u luck too

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 17:11
#18
Wodan1989
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Vanaduke's mace is normal

Vanaduke's mace is normal damage with stun and fire status effects. Since you can't increase a shields health you would need to get a normal defense UV and hope for the best. Only other thing you could do is time your Blitz needle attacks better and hope lava doesn't spawn on you.. because we all know it likes to spawn on us while we fight Vanaduke. -_-

I don't even know if my Crest of Almire can take a "direct" mace hit. I like to think the attack does less damage if it doesn't hit me directly.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 11:17
#19
Lazypinoy
GUYS GUYS.

The thread is about his BTS! And what he could do so it doesn't break during Vana fights!

1. If you're rich just roll as many UV's you can to get Max Normal (I bet it'd break still though)
2. Try to not hold aggro when you're fighting Vana.
3. Go with the "buddy system" and bring a guy with Shivermist so Lord Hotpants doesn't make a huge mess out of your party.
4. Try going BEHIND Vanaduke and then shoot him... This should help.. a bit.
5. Get Max ASI for your gun so you don't stay still forever.
6. Don't let Vanaduke go offscreen, you want to keep an eye on him and his movements so you can counterattack.

:D

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 13:07
#20
Sensihaze's picture
Sensihaze
Facepalm

>Sigh< Stop going on with the vog stuff.

Personally, I'm a Skolver User (Absolutely NO fire resist, except for shield) and yet, I can still get my full ancient plate...

Also, recommending a shield for you-- Best would be a Volcanic Plate Shield with Shadow Defense UV in my opinion. -OR- Crest of Almire with Normal Defence UV's.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 15:07
#21
swtdrgn
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I ran Lord Vanaduke since I

I ran Lord Vanaduke since I had a Dark Thorn Shield, Vog Cub Cap, and an Ash Tail Coat (all of which with no UV and all of these runs are after the update for Vanaduke). In my first three or four runs of Vanaduke, his smash attack and ceiling drop get me quite often. Afterwards, I got used to it and not get hit by his smash attack and the falling ceiling completely. You will probably get used to it, too. It's not worth the money to get an UV to do Vanaduke unless it comes easy for you.

I managed to get my Blackened Crest from Dark Thorn Shield to Barbarous Thorn Shield. I was able to pulled off a duo with a Barbarous Thorn Shield and without CE revives. We did not do anything special, just run around him in circles and fire our guns.

So, I just recommend you to just do Vanaduke until you have enough tokens for a Blackened Crest.
If you can't do that, grab an Owlite Shield. I doubt an UV can help you that much.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 02:22
#22
Cuppy-Cake's picture
Cuppy-Cake
Sigh, stop telling me how to

Sigh, stop telling me how to do duke, I did not ask how to kill him and I don't have any problems with killing him....

And I am not gonna change my shield because then I lose the damage bonus, and don't tell me to use dmg trinkets, because they are both in use.

All I wanted to know was if there was a UV I could put on my barb shield to stop it breaking instantly, if there isn't, then this thread has ended....

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 04:23
#23
eggboy
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@Strudal

Just use Volcanic Plate Shield. Works like a charm.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:51
#24
Gronstifer's picture
Gronstifer
ok..

Best chance you got is normal and fire max UVs, I beleive. Im certainly no vanaduke expert, but the mace does normal damage and causes fire. if it still breaks, well, theres no hope. I find that if you arent dorectly hit by vanaduke's mace, (like say, it hits you more on the side then full on sqaushes you) you take lesss damage (although you probably knew that). I use BTS and at least half skolver too, but i use AP instead of blitz needle, so I imganine this is MORE annoying.

@BiggestLoser no point in skolver....dmg bonus is tiny.

Full skolver and Barb sheild rolls around in the 800's on Divine avenger charge atatck in FSC. Vog rolls in the 600's. hm so tiny....

@eggboy

a wise fotune cookie once said, read the above post before posting -_-

and to the vog elitists who o-so-desparetly want him to get vog.... knock it off. damage bonus is VERY good, and is way better that ASI imo. if your careful it wont matter anyway, zombs cause shadow damage. if he wants fire resist, he can just go to punch and try to roll fire max uvs and that should be good enougt for him; it seems like hes been doing this for awhile now. fighting vanaduke is more about SKILL (which I dont have, therefore I must bring good people lol), not fire resist. only piece of armor I change for FSC is my skolver cap, (which I will admit that I change it out for something wih fire resist because again, I have no skill) because I REALLY dont want to lose too much dmg bonus.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 14:04
#25
The-Ancient-One's picture
The-Ancient-One
What?! You wanna beat

What?! You wanna beat Vanaduke? Clearly the answer is to get vog.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:59
#26
Lazypinoy
If you can't dodge the

If you can't dodge the hammer, you can't Duke. TROLOLOLOLOL.

'Nuff said.

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