I don't know which one I should use :/ I have a Very High CTR Calibur, meaning attacking with charge attacks is usually much more effective, so IAS wouldn't do crap. However, I'm probably going to end up needing Vog Cub when I start going to Vanaduke. So should I get Skolver and then get Vog Cub later (with a DA probably), or skip Skolver and use Vog Cub?
Vog Cub vs. Skolver?
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 03:32
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 06:17
#2
Oh my, easily one of the
Oh my, easily one of the biggest debates in the entire game....
it almost entirely depends on how you play really. Definately, Vog is the superior one for FSC, Due to fire rsist at the constant use of DA, making ASI helpful.... but heres the thing, with skolver+ barbarous thorn sheild DA can wipe out those slags in FSC easier, if your careful not to get hit ( i think i hit 902 on a charge attack from a lvl 10 DA). Sword damage bonus is easily one of the most appealing features on skolver set. in fact, one of my freinds got full vog for ASI, but it didnt imperss him and ended up getting a skolver instead, only using his vog for FSC (which he does a lot of).
but theres another player in this game. PVP!
yeah, you know the game that people dont play anymore because they either DC or lag? yeah, that one.
so if you put up with that long enough, you get 50 krogmo coins to get a precious mod calibrator to be able to craft weapon-enhancing trinkets. so anyway you have two trinket slots right? so if a vog person goes around, puts up with PvP long enough, gets the ce to craft, and ends up with 2 5* sword damage trinkets. combine that with barbarous sheild, max damage bonus. Boom. skolver can match those bonuses with two 5* sword asi trinkets and a barb sheild. in that situation, vog would be better due to the stats that vog has (elemental, fire resists). but, some vog people dont like to be chained to a crappy piercing sheild and both trinket slots full to have max damage bonus (in fact i'm pretty sure noone does). now, if a skolver guy gets a 5* damage trinket, he can get a far better sheild like grey owlite, having elemetal resist, or, if you have it, (I dont,) crest of almire, and also having a free trinket slot to fill with whatever he so chooses.
TL;DR
each have its trade-offs, it almoist entriley depends on your playstyle. Im personally skolver with a barb sheild, i have a sword dmg trinket that i want to get to 5* and end up getting grey owlite. skolver is superior is better if you do jk runs alot, and kills jk EASILY, (my fights with him take like around 45 seconds now). piercing resist got more useful with more things causing pierce damage now. personally, im seeing a more even balance of skolvers and vogs than when I started playing.
well, thats all I have to say.
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 14:22
#3
I have Vog...
Okay okay. Elemental Damage is NOT the most commonly dealt damage. If you're like me, who does about 2 JK everyday while using only mist energy, then PIERCING damage is the most commonly dealt. The only reason why I got Vog was because I'm using the Divine Avenger (this was before the new trinkets came out) and I thought I'd be doing a lot of Vanduke runs but they just take way too long and Depth 27 for me is just lag city. So before you decide, ask yourself this question: Am I really going to be doing more Vanaduke Runs than Jelly King Runs?
Now about your weapon, I honestly think Skolver would be better for a Calibur. CTR max (get the trinket) + Sword Damage Bonus Max (full Skolver set plus the trinket) + Leviathan Blade = Win. I might be stacking the variations wrong.. I just woke up from a nap so let me know if I am.
if you're STILL feeling iffy about those defenses, then try to get a little bit of fire resist UV on your Skolver set. Also, go with the Grey Owlite Shield if you hate elemental type damage hitting you. It'll suck it up with no problem. ALSO (THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART) DODGE! Dodging is the BEST way to not have damage dealt to you in this game. Strafe, move around, don't hold aggro, use your Leviathan for knockback, shield bounce the bad boys, have a guildy or friend with Polaris knock enemies back, or have someone with Shivermist to freeze those baddies. I remember somebody saying "if you're getting hit, you're doing it wrong" and that's totally right.
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:07
#4
ALSO.....
I use...
Skolver set
Dark Thorn sheild
Bararous thorn blade
Leviathan
Gigawatt Pulsar
and some other stuff i never use anymore (including SilverSix)
Actually I have to agree with him in that UV fire and elemental resists are great to have on Skolver imo. However I have to say....
A DA with either set is great. Just more preference style of fighting is the case.
PEIRCING IS NOT THE MOST COMMON DAMAGE IN GAME!!!! ITS THE MOST COMMON IN JELLY KING STRATUM ONLY!!! Seroisly it only SEEMS common due to everyone runs JK instead of Vanaduke cus its easier and quicker. ELEMENTAL is the most common in game. Look at JK. HE HAS GUN PUPPYS WITH ELEMENTAL. And lets not forget the lumbers that pop out EVERYWHERE. IMO, Shadow and elemental occurs more ingame than peircing, EXCEPT IN JK.
If you're going for Vog, then you'll MAYBE be running FSC more often. but I dont have Vog.....so....I still have 15 Almirian Seals.
"if you're getting hit, you're doing it wrong" I AGREE OVER 9000!!!!!! TIMES!!!!
JELLY KING IS EASY: If I had Vog, Id still beat him in 60 seconds per run....not that hard peircing= get a Dark thorn sheild or peircing UV on the Owlite.
And Thanks Granstafer for adding in the preference based part. I took that out in my original post because i wasn't sure if it really needed to be in there.
And may i ask this now, what does TL:DR stand for? I can't figure it out.
EDIT 3 seconds after post:
Jelly King himself does normal damage. Only the small slimes do peircing
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:27
#5
WRONG WRONG WRONG! RAGE D:<
WRONG WRONG WRONG! RAGE D:< NORMAL is the most common!!
READ MY POST CAREFULLY SAHNNN! It DEPENDS on what kind of RUN you do the MOST. Silly willy! I said if you're like ME. I go on JK runs EVERYDAY. So piercing for ME is the most common damage type dealt.
But yes. Its true... I wear Vog and I have a Barb shield + DA and I can still solo the king without even dying... Also, Vanaduke's mace is a normal type attack. Slags hit shadow and the Guards hit normal! Fire resist is all you need so get that UV big boyyyy!!! (Unless Wiki just lies)
BTYM, think about what I said. If that "very high CTR" is just the UV on your calibur then once its a level 10 Leviathan it'll already have CTR maximum and if you have full Skolver that's Sword Damage Bonus Very High and if you get that 5 star trinket you'll get Sword Damage Bonus maximum.. That'd be SO SO SEXY. And with an extra trinket slot you can either get Medium ASI or even more fire resist for your Skolver! ...Unless those resist trinkets still don't work.
GREY OWLITE SHIELD IS ALREADY GREAT FOR ABSORBING ELEMENTAL TYPE DAMAGE. You'll "LOL" at those puppies! And maybe Retrodes.. I haven't faced Retrodes in a while though...
Also Xylka, freeze is a HUGE problem if you ever come across the freeze arenas. Frozen knight + those freeze puppies + a freeze lumber coming towards you with nothing to do... Ouchies.
I'MAFIRIN'MAHLAZAAAAAAAAR.
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 15:30
#6
TL:DR
TL:DR
stands for:
Too Long: Didnt Read
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 20:17
#7
Really? Couldn't you have used the search bar instead?
/sigh
Must you have to create YET ANOTHER
Vog vs Skolver Topic? Go split of you can't decide. I recommend Vog, I have both and only use Skolver in RJP.
Fri, 08/19/2011 - 21:29
#8
Vog for the elemental/fire
Vog for the elemental/fire defense (you'll want them for vanaduke, as you said), damage trinkets for damage bonus. Thorn shield to max it. If your calibur's UV is v.high plus heat 10 is maximum CTR, then this'll give you max damage, max ctr and v.high ASI.
The best of all worlds, especially once you pick up a 2-hit sword and realise why people love ASI so much.
Sat, 08/20/2011 - 05:53
#9
Before the trinkets I would
Before the trinkets I would say skolver because dmg>asi, but now there is no reason not to get vog (unfortunately).
Full Vog = VH ASI
2x dmg trinks + barb shield = max dmg
VH CTR weps = max ctr
ANOTHER VOG VS SKOLVER!!!! OMG!!! NO WAY!!! number 9001on my list... -.-
meh. Copy and paste my old post.
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Is Skolver better than Vog?????!?!?!?!?!?!?11!!!?!1?
Elemental > Peirce. (as many will say)
==REASONS:==
------------- Elemental is the most commonly dealt damage and is the most popular for resists
------------- Vog looks awesome. Skolver looks divine. PERIOD
------------- You can get UVs for Vog that cover the peirce resist or mix it up with armor.
------------- Vog has FIRE RESIST. Perfect for FSC. Skolver has FREEZE RESIST....uhh...when was that an issue?
Now for the bonuses....
Skolver: Dmg boost for sword medium. Entire set gives you a Very High dmg boost. Toss in a Dark Thorn Shield and you've maxed out peirce resist and Dmg boost + Barbarous =even more peirce resist.
*Also id like to point out that the Skolver Coat's description says it was crafted to enhance speed. nice goin devs...*
Vog: Dmg speed for sword medium. This helps for FSC as when using a Divine Avenger, its already strong but very slow. The solution? A speed boost. Vog has that at Very High. Think of it as a bonus UV for all your swords for gettting a great 5* gear. Also there is no shield that is strong and 5* that has a Speed boost unless UV (which even then i doubt its possible). The only speed boosting sheild is Swiftstrike buckler but it can be broken in 1 hit in FSC or in really any place.
*You would think aromor named after a LEGENDARY FIRE BEAST would have a Dmg boost (thats right I'm looking at you devs wearin Skolver)*
NOW BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
Like i said Vog is mainly used because of its different stats and for FSC.
BUT IN MY OPINION: I cant decide.
Really i cant decide which is better for me.
Random person: Then what are you going to do with your Ash Tail Armor?
Well Im makin my Skolver Coat. ( have it now) And getting a Vog Cub Cap.
Skolver will make my dmg boost set to very high (with my Dark Thorn sheild) and basically retain the bonus from my entire Ash tail set and "put it into one". With that staying the same I am free to do what i will with the cap and since my peircing resist is as high as it will ever be I'll need some elemental defense. So Vog Cap...or Uv on skolver.
IN SHORT [ Wish u read this eh? :) ]
Too hard to decide for myself.
I say Vog is better, but Skolver is good too. Just not in this case where Vog is better. You want a DMG boost and ASI and CTR on all your swords but Vog gives elemental and fire resist so it wins
THE END
Well hope that helped I'm off to Haven.
CYL