Spiral Knights - Recommendation/Discussion for "Fun" Piercing Gun

Recommendation/Discussion for "Fun" Piercing Gun

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Fri, 08/26/2011 - 07:46

Malhaku

Hello SK Community,

I know the subject of this message has been discussed to death as to "better", but I'm looking more for feedback along "fun to use." Basically, I realize that dedicated gunners pretty much unanimously state that Argent Peacemaker is never the best gun for a situation, but is it fun to use?

Granted, fun to use is based on play style so I'll describe mine. I like being able to move around while firing my gun (I've had great fun thus far with my cryotech and shadowtech alchemer line guns.) I tried autogun and did not enjoy using it at all. So I made a magnus (with callahan as the long term goal) and it's okay, but doesn't thrill me. I like it tons better than the autogun, but I keep thinking about the antiqua line. A large clip with high firing rate just sounds like it would be fun to use (Plus the 5* versions look wicked imo) Am I imagining something greater than they are?

I realize AP is not the best gun out there and long term I'll need more specialized gear (for vanaduke or the like) but I keep thinking I want to give it a try. However, considering I have 3 Jelly King tokens, I don't want to grind to 30 and then be greatly disappointed.

A little more background so everyone can see my picture... I was initially drawn toward gunning because, well, the nameless set looks so cool (and I LOVE the dollars trilogy)... I have two swords: Everyone says the calibur line is a good all purpose line and I have a Cold Iron Carver (yes, leviathan is better all around, but the 5* Cold Iron is a sword surrounded by a ghostly looking chain... can't pass that up) and I had started with flourish (because give me the choice between a greatsword and a fast rapier-like sword and I know what I'm going with) but now I'm currently at Twisted Snarble Barb (same as flourish except for charge. I find the flourish charge not so useful and dangerous where as the Barb-line charge is fun to use and more useful imo.) As for guns, the wiki suggested the alchemer line and I've enjoyed them for both the shadow version and the elemental/frost version.

So I guess the question still stands... anyone out there with a similar story? Have you tried the antigua line? Fun or No-Fun?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:26

itinerant

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Argent Peacemaker...

The AP doesn't get a lot of love, which is pretty bizarre to me. I think a community becomes very polarized when they can't handle having too many options. Maybe it's a gamer thing; if it isn't the best, it's not good enough. I don't know.

To answer your question, the AP is stupid-fun to shoot. Rolling around and emptying clip after clip on monsters is pretty awesome and while the damage is not exceptional, here's some definite benefits:

You can shield very quickly after firing, even after a reload. It has zero knock-back on a regular shot, so expect monsters to get in your face. Fortunately, you can shield bounce them and immediately resume firing. To be honest, it's exhilarating. I was the first out of my guild to get one and they were jealous. So, for a rough and tumble gunslinger, it's great. (I tend to get hit when using alchemers because I'm not used to the longer reload time.)

The range is spectacular. Hitting monsters from a distance, clearing obstacles, mowing down crystals, hitting switches, et cetera. As you said, it's never the best gun for a situation but it is versatile. The charge attack goes even further and has a little knock-back. I use it infrequently, but it's a giant glowing bird. I dunno, maybe it's an owlite.

The bullets are fast and can hit dodging targets. The damage is reasonable on all targets except slimes (which is no big loss) and gremlins (this is a bummer) and can be used to remove gun puppies or other constructs. It is really enjoyable for killing undead, which I am certain is its primary role.

And yeah, it's good in FSC.

I suspect that you have similar values and sensibility to myself. I have a Callahan simply because I am an Eastwood fan and the gun will in fact blow a monster's head clean off. I also rock the CIV (I never use my ASI High Leviathan now...) and love it.

So, if it is appealing to you, go for it. I think it is very fun.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:34

miojoxhl2

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Items I possess, listed by

Items I possess, listed by FUN rating:

1- Shivermist: I just love to see monsters frozen, helplessly.
2- Stagger Storm: Have you ever seen a stunned zombie? it's (x16) slow-mo!
3- Argent Peacemaker: Beautiful bird shot by charged atk.
4- Ironmight Plate Shield / Dread Skelly set / Cold Iron Carver / Grey Owlite Shield: Damn cool looking.
5- Volcanic Bomber set : CTR max on bombs is just a must-have for a bomber like me.
6- Callahan: It shoots a damn giant bullet at monsters. Should I say more? It cuts a monster's head clean off.
7- Hail driver: Ricocheting bullets.
8- Proto gear: Fun to use as costume and make people think I'm a noob.

I have a lot of other items like Leviathan Blade and Divine Avenger, but they're just not that fun to use... It's just a matter of survival.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:42

Malhaku

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks to both of you guys for your feedback! (Feel free to send me a friend request, my ign is malhaku as well.)
To be honest, I was kind of worried I'd get flamed to the end of the earth for making "another thread about AP"

Yeah, this definitely solidifies that it'll be worth the work. Also, according to the wiki, the charge shot is a phoenix (another aspect of the gun that seems wicked cool.)

@itinerant - I'm a fan of eastwood too, but like him best as the man with no name. Hence, my obsession with wanting to get the nameless set eventually (I'm at Sunset/4*)
@miojoxhl2 - Years back I used to play WOW (I stopped before Wrath if that means anything to anyone) But I loved playing my frost mage. The shivermist seems like fun since it's basically frost nova in a can.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:05

culture

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Hmm

Callahan is very amusing to use. The wolvers flop around (from knockdown) every time you hit them.

Also, certainly not piercing, but... Polaris looks like a lot of fun, I'd like to make one some day. Reminds me of a rocket launcher.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 19:43

Thirdmotion

Magnus line

You should try upgrading your magnus to callahan. I created the argent peachmaker after using blitz needle and its not very fun after seeing grey digits most of the time. It does split damage (Elemental + Piercing) and isn't that great on gun puppies or fiends. I did make it because you can fire and move at the same time (Easier to dodge when fighting Vanaduke), but after creating a callahan I haven't gone back since.

I didn't spend much time using the magnus series, but I imagine you'll feel different once you upgrade to callahan. I'm a big fan of big numbers and mobility. The blitz needle charge does a lot of damage but I didn't like being immobile. With callahan your only still for a split second as you fire the weapon and it does a great job as a piercing gun so you'll only see blue or orange numbers. The bullet flies fast enough to hit wolvers and fiends, plus you can take it to Vanaduke and solo him with it.

Its also fun to use the charge feature on the callahan. Its the only gun in the game in which firing the charge shot makes you fly backwards and land on your ass. You should try riding the elevator this way and unlock the secret achievement "Bruised Buttocks Achievement".
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Anyhow I don't think you'll be disappointed in making an Argent Peachmaker, but if you own a polaris and callahan... it may end up in your inventory unused possibly indefinitely. I'm glad you made a Barbarous Thorn Blade, I love the charge attack on it. If Leviathan had the look of the CIV, you'll probably enjoy doing charge hits on lumbers, the knockback power its too fun to pass up.

Oh and polaris... its definitely my favorite gun to take to graveyards as it has the ability to knockback Phantoms even in their orb state. When I fire my polaris, they can't even make it into the map lol.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 19:53

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

AP rocks.

Mine does 102 damage to duke a hit. 102*6=612 or around there. And I can move. AP can shoot through barriers so you don't get hurt... Just get a AP. Ou will love it.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 21:31

Afoxi

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Blitz Needle has my vote, but

Blitz Needle has my vote, but not a lot of people can use it well.

Neither can I, but hey it's fun.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 22:15

ummeiko

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I've seen some nice things

I've seen some nice things done with blitz needle, and I've tried the magnus line a bit. But I'd really like a piercing gun to kite with like my silversix and my alchemer. I would take one with lower damage output if I could move and shoot.

On the top of the "guns I WANT" list is a pulsar. Looks fun.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 12:37

john1111

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i too may discontinue my use

i too may discontinue my use of the blitz in favor of callahan.

it sounds fun, but the whole not being able to move while shooting kinda kills it. not to mention, you're really limited to dealing that big chunk of damage to one target since it has no "explosion radius".

but i think ill get some asi gear before I finally decide.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 13:02

#10

USEFBerries

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I vote for the oppisite

Since you already have 2 alchemers I suggest getting the sentenza instead since the AP shoots elemental also and the sentenza shoots shadow and yes you already have the shadow alchemer but I think you would prefer the sentenza over that

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 14:26

#11

yurka0001

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Why even make this thread?

Why even make this thread? You already seem dedicated to getting Argent Peacemaker. It's a bad gun, but go ahead and cover your ears to what anyone says against it.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 15:21

#12

Malhaku

@yurka0001 - I wanted to get

@yurka0001 - I wanted to get some feedback from people that have experience with it. Like I said, it looks fun to use, but I don't want to be greatly disappointed by my expectations (and put in lots of time, crowns, and energy on top of it)

Thanks to everyone else for their input. I think I may eventually work on upgrading the magnus to callahan. A pure damage gun is never a bad idea.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 16:43

#13

stabystab

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if you have to get an AP or

if you have to get an AP or stentenza, go with the stentenza, the AP deals its best damage to undead (which are honestly fish in a barrel with any gun). i have an AP and a Blackhawk right now and i always carry at least one into the clockworks with me. while you never do the best damage they are fun to use and in arenas and danger rooms the mobility really saves your life. they rarely produce big numbers but when i have an easy fight i will often pull it out for fun.

its also worth noting the AP and stentenza have smaller hit boxes than most guns which can be useful for hitting target adjacent to exploding boxes without worrying about setting off the bomb.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 16:44

#14

stabystab

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accidental double post, sorry

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