What 3-5 * gears shall i take to JK
What Gears for JK?
chroma line is a set.
What about weapons :D
Faust for cursing jelly king and killing the jellies in the palace. Dread Venom Striker to poison jelly king. Magma Driver for catching jelly king on fire. To Increase DPS, take a Barbarous Thorn Shield. Now damage towards jellies with swords is increased by 42%, and damage towards jellies with your driver is up 28%.
If you are focused on swords, you probably shouldn't invest in the chroma armors as your wolver/dusker/etc gives the same damage boost to your swords anyway... but against all enemies.
JK is not a very hard boss. I would concentrate on the end-game 5* gear you want. Maybe a piercing shield like the bristling line if you want something specific. In my case I am going for a Vog Cub Set because I am a swordsman. Currently I have an Ash Tail Set which is one down from the Vog that I want and has piercing protection. I have one solo JK kill with my Ascended Calibur L10 (moded w/ trinkets and armor) and a duo kill with a guy who was using a Fireburst Brandish.
Its all about the vials really. If you can keep the JK under status it really doesn't take long to kill him. I think Curse and Poison work the best. Once he rages & starts spinning, just charge and follow in his wake of destruction.
If you want specific JK slayer gear get a shadow damage Brandish (Nightblade, Silent Nightblade, Archeron) or a poison status effect cutter (Vile or Dread Venom Striker). The Archeron would probably be more useful then the DVS for other areas, but the DVS is probably quicker to kill the king.
Wow... Bad openiong comment there seing as what forum your in. Also, as someone who's nowhere near completing their first set of 5* gear I'm guessing you don't actually have any experience with any of those weapons and since your a calibur user i'm guessing your a noob :P (slight jokes on the last one, but seriously, drop the my-first-sword :P )
Now, first off RJ shall not be an easy boss for you at first... In fact, you shall probably lose a few times and my best advise is not to throw ce at it if your with a terrible party on your first runs, until you have experience with it and really decent equipment solo-ing won't be an option.
As for armour, I'd advise ash-tail. It has great piercing defence and a sword damage bonus and upgrades into vog or skolver. Both of these are great armours but bear in mind that vog loses the piercing defence when you upgrade - you'll start taking much more damage in RJ palace when you do get hit. With that in mind you may want to stay at ash-tail throughout you RJ-farming days (which i did :P ). Still, once you get used to your weapon choice such that you seldom get hit it honestly won't matter what armour you have down there :P
As for the weapon, shadow weapons are usually advisable, though a calibur will serve you fine to start with. In my opinion the best way to go is the faust line. Once you get used to it you'll seldom get hit in jelly palace (anywhere tbh) and its occasional curse effect is great too. Many would disagree and say acheron is better, such as the guy above me. Many of these people (him included) don't actually have either one, both have about the same dps and you need to decide for yourself which is better.
*side note* I obtained a "dauntless delver" achievement on a solo run with only a Divine avenger, a Gran faust and a Khovord and ended on full hp with 3 of each tier of health pip. So please don't anyone start saying that heavy swords will only get you hit loads or that I don't know what i'm talking about :P
To the above poster, you forgot to factor in the player's latency and perhaps graphical lag. That really takes a toll on performance. As always, all weapon choices are purely self preferential.
@randomthing
Are you serious? You just bashed me then regurgitating almost the same advice (Ash Tail & Shadow, I suggested the Brandish Shadow over the Faust because I assumed if they are struggling with JK they don't have the tokens for a sealed sword...) I was not suggesting that you need 5* to fight the JK. I never said I was using 5* equip; the stuff I said I use is 4*. I was just saying that I think it is a waste of time & money to craft a ton of specific equipment to fight the JK. I happen to think that a Chroma line would be a waste because it would not really be ideal for Tier3. I've used most all of the swords at their 2* or 3* level (not the sealed swords yet though) & I happen to like the Calibur line the best by far. That is my personal opinion & you are welcome to your own. I didn't say it was the best sword ever or the best sword for JK, I was just saying that it will work fine for the JK as long as you have vials to keep a status effect going on him.
As for my opening statement. I stand my it. JK is not that hard a fight (unless you are in 2* gear then yeah). I do agree that you should not throw CE at it (my rule is mist only or its not worth it). My advise is still to pick the gear that you want to have in Tier3 and work towards that instead of spending time & money on a full set of JK specific gear. That being said yeah Piercing armor/shield is not a bad idea and Shadow damage or a weapon that causes status effects is a bonus too. For JK specific gear I think a shield is not a bad idea though, as its much cheaper then helmet & armor both and it is better to rely on dodging and shielding then your armors defences anyway (like the bristling buckler line if you are a swordie & JK is more suited to a sword fight, though some can gun or bomb though it).
*An Off-Topic Side Question*: How do you feel about the Troika lines vs Sealed sword lines? I love my Trokia and I'm tempted to take it to at least to 4* (have recipe for Kamarin, but I am holding out until I have a chance to try out the Sealed swords. Really curious which has better reach (Troika line or Sealed line)?
@haroon158
To get back on subject. What gear do you use now? & what is your play-style (swords, gunslinger, bomber, split)?
Ok, sorry that was not all aimed at you hellrazer, only the bit about saying that RJ is easy when writing in a forum section aimed at new users. Yes, a lot of the advice you gave was good and I agree with you on a piercing shield being a good option aswell (especially as barbarous thorn is one of the best general use shields in the game :D )
*Edit* also sorry bout the "noob" thing, I just don't like calibur line - the number of times I get killed by someone spamming calibur special attacks is unreal :P
As for troika vs sealed sword I was pretty dissapointed with my sudaruska :( its damage is lower than the sealed sword line against things that the sealed swords are neutral to ( ie avenger against fiends) which means that using a GF and DA is better than suda in EVERY scenario, especially due to the useless special attack of suda (was so upset when I realised the rocks were fake :P ). But yeh, worse in every respect to the sealed sword line :(
@Xiger Yeh, I have issues with that sometimes too, but if you lag when surrounded with enemies your going to die regardless of armour :P I was just praying for stable internet during my delver run (turns out praying works :P )
Bring an ionized salt bomb.
I have killed Royal Jelly tons of times with 2* equipments(Wolver Set, Bristling Buckler and Calibur). Like Hellrazer333 said, it will be a waste of money to spend on all specialized Royal Jelly killing gear and focus on T3 gears for Vanaduke and stuff. It is not hard to kill Royal Jelly, you just have to follow a few things.
1. Save up Pills, Poison Vials, Fire Vials and Curse Vials(If you can't get any Curse Vials, Stun Vials are preferred)
2. Take turns throwing vials, do not spam.
3. Throw Curse Vials only after he start spinning.(Well unless you have lots of spare, you will need at least 2 Curse Vials if you are using 2* equipments)
4. Charge your swords when the Royal Jelly is spinning and release in front of him when he stop.
Chroma Sets is a waste of money, if you wanted something that adds damage to Jellies, get Wolver lines(unless you are not using a sword). If you really want a full set of Royal Jelly killing gear, I suggest:
Helm: Skolver Cap(Upgraded from Wolver Cap)
Armor: Skolver Coat(Upgraded from Wolver Coat)
Shield: Barbarous Thorn Shield(Upgraded from Bristling Buckler)
Sword: Any 3 hits swords, I use a Leviathan(Upgraded from Calibur)
Bomb: Ash of Agni(Upgraded from Fiery Vaporizer)[Use this for mob controlling at floor 15 and 16]
So far after using Divine Avenger, Gran Faust and Leviathan Blade for Royal Jelly, I realize something. Divine Avenger and Gran Faust does EXACTLY the same damage to Royal Jelly. Leviathan Blade being a 3 hits sword does more damage to Royal Jelly. So base on this, I assume that, Royal Jelly does not have weakness of Shadow and I assume that most of the other 3 hits swords will work as well as the Leviathan. Well Gran Faust and Divine Avenger are great swords for knocking back stuff and mob control.
@randomthing
Thx for the info. That was impression I had from looking at the wiki numbers. The timing on the Troika's charge has to be perfect because it leaves you open for eeeevvvver if you don't mange to send all of foes flying with your hit. I think I like using it just because it is so award to use that it makes things interesting. A trick i do often is to deliberately whiff my first swing in another direction then turn and only connect with the second swing. That way you knock them back out of range till you have time to set up another. It can be faster to do the the Cal's charge attack (depending on mods) but it is more tedious. That and I do a ton of swing 1 shield canceling.
I'm still curious about reach though. Reach, ~180 degree arc of the swing, and no grey hits are the only things that could make the Troika line viable. Next time you burn through your mist and get bored, go to the ATH and equip your Sudaruska and the DA or GF, then stand in front of one of the destructible blocks. I am curious if there is at least a reach advantage to the Sud over the DA/GF. So, take a sing with the Sud & stand as far away from the block as you can & still score a hit. Then switch to the DA or GF and see if it will hit from the same distance as the Sud. I'm just talking first swing hits to keep the step out of the equation. If the Sud doesn't have a reach advantage over the DA/GF then its defiantly not worth it.
@CycloneBird
Yeah, according to the wiki:
"The Royal Jelly does not share the same weaknesses and resistances as common Slime monsters."
So shadow damage or Damage Bonus vs Slime would only help with getting to the JK & with crowd control for the battle royal (which I think the Calibur line is better at anyway thx to the 360 charge).
I have seen the DVS take the JK down in less then 30 sec on youtube & I imagine the FoV would chew through him even faster, but I'm under the impression the DVS is not a great choice for T3 and the FoV... well if you have it then clearly the JK is not an issue.
key for those I lost with abbreviations:
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@CycloneBird The faust is actually much more useful than the DA or levi against the RJ.... not because of the shadow damage but because of the cursing effect. Curse has a rather significant effect on RJ, both damaging him on every attack and reducing his healing effect. Taking those into consideration it outdamages them :) Plus the shadow thing makes it much more potent than any other sword in the game in the levels preceding. Also, contradiction much? "Focus on getting end-game equipment for FSC and not for RJ but upgrade ash tail into skiolver" :P
My advice, leave it as ash tail until you know exactly what you want to do with it :) ash tail is more than sufficient for RJ :D
@Hellrazer333 (and again off topic, sorry :P ) Unfortionately all heavy swords have the exact same reach and attack patteren, tested suda, DA and GF in the ATH and also had it confirmed in the forums, I suppose if you could only have one heavy sword then.... nope, you'd still go DA :P My suda was a waste of energy and I advise to get the sealed sword upgrades instead, though it does look AWESOME :D and i've never seen anyone else with it :P I just use it to show off from time to time....
@randomthing
Thanks, I have been trying to find out about sword reach among the heavy swords for a while now. Really good to know. I just leave my Troika 2* in that case and keep on selling my Kamarins to generate the cash to buy avenger/da recipes (I've been too cheap to bind a 3* Troika line myself because they sell pretty well). Time to grind out the rest of my tokens so I can get a couple sealed swords.
Cheers!
You might want peirce normal and ele def.First ele for lumbers and turrets.Pierce for jellies.Normal for all because most of them do split normal except turret.If only 3 star armor I say Brute jelly helm and Armour or solid colbat.A horned owlitte shield for ele def.If you want a good sword only against JK then tempered caliber because shadow does not effect JK.
@randomthing I think you missunderstood something, I said "If you really want a full set of Royal Jelly killing gear", I did not say "Upggrade your Ashtail or Wolvers to Skolver". I also used Gran Faust to kill Royal Jelly lots of times, the only times I am able to properly curse it is with the charge attack and also that is not a 100%, the charge attack curse it around 8/10 times, the 2nd hit of the Gran Faust curse it like around 2/10 times. So if you ask me, more damage to it and throwing Curse Vials at the right moment is much more effective.
chroma line