It is very sad that we can not unbind the clothes. The Chapeu of rose or bombheads are great and I think you should be able to decouple to give more people the opportunity to have them.
Unbind clothes
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 04:20
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:59
#2
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I'm sorry Starlin, but what I read is "Why would they want to make a perfectly cosmetic [b]collectible[/b] unaccessible for trading or market selling instead of real armor that bring benefit to your progress?".
It's poor design. Maintaining an item's rarity has never been the purpose of binding items, nor is it worth it in the slightest bit. It's for profits (by Crystal Energy purchase enforcement), which hardly benefits the community as it is.
Three Rings can do better than that.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:15
#3
...Actually, maintaining an
...Actually, maintaining an item's rarity has ALWAYS been the purpose of binding items.
The devs have repeatedly said that they want certain items to remain rare, to make them special. That's part of the reason monsters no longer drop equipment----in beta, people were farming Tortodrones, and a whole lot of people had the Stone Tortoise Shield. It wasn't special at that point.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:58
#4
I understand the Tortodrone
I understand the Tortodrone incident. But I don't buy maintaining an item's rarity by making it frigging untouchable to everyone else when we pretty much have a full-fledged community-driven market (and I certainly don't think that justifies the case of the starter gears and weapons being bound if you can't unequip said armor if it's the only ones you possess) to take said rarity to more expanded use. That just doesn't sound right.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:18
#5
Starter gear is probably
Starter gear is probably bound, and will probably remain bound, as just-in-case to prevent bugs if the player sells all their other armor. SK has no models for a knight without armor--if the player was somehow wearing nothing, I'm pretty sure the game would crash.
That said, if Three Rings wants certain sets to be available only to people who purchase CE, or have a PAX code, or win a PvP match, that's their prerogative. They're under no real obligation to change. You can't directly buy the best equipment in the game with money, the way you can in many other (very broken, in my opinion) games. Three Rings is not selling actual equipment--only costumes--with these CE promotions, so you're not missing out on any game-changing equipment.
Vanity items are vanity items. They have highly volatile prices because of the fact that they have no functional purpose, their value will never be stable in the economy. They're simply not essential to the game economy, so I don't consider unbinding costumes to be a major problem.
There's also the issue of the people who already have those costumes:
If those people don't want to sell them, and like that they have an exclusive and rare item, they're going to be upset when those items become tradable. Their experience will be cheapened because they were promised something special, and now are losing that value.
I agree that future costumes should be received unbound so players can choose to sell them (especially in the case of PvP prizes, people have multiple permabound bombermasks cluttering their inventory)----but I don't think unbinding existing costumes is okay.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:31
#6
@MJG_Sparda / GamerTB
This has been discussed multiple times and every single time it's been shot down. There's a larger portion of the community who owns them, that would rather they not be unbound. As opposed to the players who don't have sets that wish they were.
Just do a search on the forums and you can read the multiple other threads about this exact same topic. If it fell off the front 2 pages then there's a distinct reason it isn't still being discussed but in new threads.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:35
#7
Part of the point of items
Part of the point of items like the Rose Regalia set, the Plasmatech stuff &c is that they're rewards for paying customers; they're an incentive to spend money on the game. You allow these bonus items to be unbound and sold on the open market, and that incentive goes away. This will not change.
Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:56
#8
To someone who was arguing
To someone who was arguing you can't buy the best equipment in this game for money:
lol? What game have you been playing? You can easily buy the best equipment within seconds of installing this game with money. You can even buy rose regalia with money. I don't understand what the point of that argument was anyway.
And "this will not change?" Uh, how do you know? Just because something's been one way before doesn't mean it won't ever change. Remember when people crafted a lot of (useless) items to get ONE UV on them and then they sold them for ridiculous prices? Guess what, three rings comes out with a vendor that GUARANTEES a UV every time you play, and introduces the possibility of THREE UVs on an item. How do you think people who spent thousands of CE before to get that "CTR V. High/Max" felt? Well, anyway I'm not going to get into that.
Back to topic:
I fully support the introduction of an "unbind" ticket for costumes (masks/clothes), at a fixed price (500 CE would be fine in my opinion). I don't see how that would hurt three rings financially at all - in fact, I think it would make more money for them because people will start to spend major real money on unbinding items and purchasing costumes/masks/hats etc.
The only people I can see not liking this is the people (~5% of the game population?) who started playing this game earlier and think they're "all that" because of their rose set. Maybe they'll ragequit? So be it - although I kinda doubt it. A free market is a lot more desirable than a non-existing market, and in my opinion it would only benefit the game overall.
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 08:46
#9
Well, of course I can't say
Well, of course I can't say anything with 100% certainty, but I am pretty damn confident in saying "this will never happen" because Three Rings do not appear to be in the habit of deliberately undermining their own business model, for example by offering pay-to-play incentives to free-to-play players, which is effectively what unbinding these items would be doing. Sure, it might encourage F2P players to spend real money as a quicker way of getting the Crowns to buy these items on the open market, but considering how stupendously rich long-term players can become simply by grinding levels, it's hardly guaranteed.
For the record, I don't have any of the RR set, or indeed any of the incentive items, having never bought one of their packs - I do pay for stuff in SK pretty frequently, but it tends to be a little-and-often approach rather than dropping twenty bones at a time. I'm opposed to this idea because it undermines the purpose of the items as they stand, not because I'm diva-ing out over the thought of the unwashed masses parading around in paid-for gear.
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 17:54
#10
Another one of these?
Effrul pointed it out pretty well already; costume items (I'm pointing at Rose Regalia and Plasmatech) are items for paying players. And as I have said before, if you couldn't be bothered to spend money on them, you probably didn't care enough for them in the first place.
My hypothesis regarding the Rose Regalia Promo, is that the items are delivered unbound because the pieces are given out at random. If you get a Chapeau of the Gold Rose, you can still get a second one instead of any of the other items, and forcing people to cough up near $100 just because they rolled the same items over and over is rip-off. If the item you just received would not reappear after the purchase, they would probably be delivered bound as with six purchases you would already have all of the sets. In my opinion, this is how it should be like, but unfortunately isn't.
You may argue in regards to the bombhead masks, which I will admit need some tweaking to avoid having one player sitting with several duplicates of the same mask with no purpose to them whatsoever, I would rather have another compensation than an unbinding option for costumes. Not only would it devalue the original Rose Regalia items, but it would break the purpose of limited time offers, as well as making the Plasmatech Demo set available for non-paying players.
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No, I do not support an unbinding feature for costumes.
*Shoots the thread down*
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 18:01
#11
Actully if you want to shoot
Actully if you want to shoot it down.then don't add a comment.
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 18:08
#12
gerry u can't stop us from
gerry u can't stop us from posting...
i also dont support this, its annoying at how over priced the things are currently i dont need the spam for something that has no function but aesthetics
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 18:33
#13
Yeah.If you can unbind the
Yeah.If you can unbind the plasamatch bomber suit then people will not buy the battle pack to support SK.Everyone wants to do the game entirely free,there probally be a ce price rise.
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 07:25
#14
Does the bomber suit
Does the bomber suit automatically show up as the displayed armor, or can we have it in our arsenal without wearing it? (Don't really like how it looks)
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:52
#15
don't necropost
incidentally, this is also the wrong thread for that question. the answer is yes, btw. you can put any armour into the costume slot to have it override the appearance of your current armour, while giving you the stats of the one in the armour slot.
also, if anyone wishes to discuss the unbinding of costumes, I have one created that you can post in without necroing:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/29292
I don't. It was like this before Vise, and the binding maintains the rarity of the item. Why do you think they made sure costume bomb heads were bound properly now?