a week or 2 ago someone posted a method that you could go solo then go join party and all the CRs from solo run would still be there. Perhaps the time limit was to prevent that abusing.

I don't know why they'd make a change like this. It's basically just there to hinder the player. Plus it promotes people running around to grab heat/coins quickly, instead of helping the group kill things.

So arenas should be a lot harder now. :p

Groups(2-4 Knights) This will take effect.

Soloers(1 Knight Only) This will not take effect.

Indeed, I thought about 5 minutes as well.
I'm kinda annoyed by this. Danger rooms and arena's are quite annoying now since I focus more on heat/crowns now, and I solo as well..

i see no problem with the time limit, heats and crowns kinda fly to the player unlike materials and 90 seconds are alot of time to walk near crowns/heat

according to wiki hearts stay on screen for 90 seconds too, it feels to me like they need a long time to disappear and i often have more than enough time to walk back to hearts, that dropped from a previous combat situation

I don't think the 90 second crowns/ heat is that bad of an idea. Most players will be able to pick up the crowns and heat anyways. I'am not sure if this has anything to do with it but the energy prices have been down rocketing ever since this update came up. Maybe this has to do with the fact that some players can't get enough crowns?

Or maybe its just the rose regalia redux... maybe a little bit of both?

Sure there may have been exploits but

This is why we can't have nice things. :-<

Coins that are there when you start a level----such as the coins in between treasure chests in Arenas or on the pathways in Vaults----will not disappear in 90 seconds, they are there until you pick them up.
I have already checked this in Treasure Vaults.

Honestly, the only reason to leave your crowns and heat lying around is if you're trying to do an exploit similar to arena looping. One good player goes in, clears the entire level without picking anything up, a new player joins the party and goes solo----all the materials, heat and crowns are on the floor to be collected. Rinse and repeat.
That is now no longer possible, which I think is a good thing.

If all the mats/heat/cr disappeared when you went solo, your party leader could troll you and prevent you from gaining anything by kicking you from the party. that's not a good solution to the exploit either.

Just do your best to pick up all the crowns and heat before it despawns, it's no different from grabbing hearts. If you're so bogged down by monsters that you can't circle back and pick up the stuff in time...you have bigger problems and you'll need to adjust your strategy to compensate.

Remember, when Three Rings first tried to fix the AFK problem in Blast Network, it was determined that their initial response was...too zealous. This could get adjusted, too. Just be nice about your suggestions.

@Providence (and OOO)

This was a bad decision. You will not disprove this.

That it's an exploit is one thing. But what does it change? Even if you try to clear a stage with all the Crowns and Heat, you'll still have to pick up some of these if they get in the way (not to mention choosing between letting someone join you before or after a Party Button point). That means that the one who spends 10 Energy to join you gets less anyway. The one joining you saves time by doing that, but he/she gets less than you have. That's good enough a trade off to that exploit, it's legitimate and fair.

The problem this causes is more pressure to clinging to things you rightfully earned because of the risk that you lose them. This can both put you in a more vulnerable state. Not to mention some levels where enemies are out of reach until you've cleared a room (like the aforemented Spiral Court level), where you'll have to hurry like crazy to get the loot before they disappear. This is not normal. This is not convenient. This is not beneficial (to my economy or my health, for that matter).

Please take this patch back. Nobody asked for it.

@NegimaSonic

Moving Health Pills is not an exploit, it's a strategy. Spending sometime backtracking to up your chances of survival is part of the game.

Well they shouldn't. Tell them that.

Someone give GamerTB an award, this man speaks the truth.

You could just pick them up while fighting monsters...

Hm I cannot think of a place in FSC where you cannot run in and grab the crowns and heat, unless your at 25 and using the little light wall trick with trojans and waiting for them to kill each other. And if you would be complaining about that, the point is to fight in the Arena's to get the crowns not let them kill each other.

Somone can explain me where you have these patch notes from? I dont get it right now ._.

Going to take a stand on the opposite side of most here and say that I'm not seeing a huge issue with this. I ran both FSC fully and an arena tonight, and had no problem picking up the crowns or heat before they disappeared. (Both in parties and solo.)

The fact that people were exploiting this is most likely entirely the reason it was adjusted - anyone who thinks that 'a couple little exploits' don't outweigh the new change needs to be given a lesson in just how quickly such exploits being abused can and do very directly inflate the cost of CE - and we know how many threads pop up when that happens.

I'd rather take 90 second timers on heat and crowns any day than see the sheer number of threads from people complaining about how CE prices keep rising faster and faster. : )

90 seconds is a whole minute an a half.

Sit still and watch the clock for that long.

I ran solo and group tonight, through arenas and even the new danger rooms. I don't see the problem.

The exploit they fix definitely out weights what little problem this causes.

Let me explain how the exploit literally ruins your game. (I've never performed this exploit, so I might make small errors in the method)

Start with a good arena in a even stratum. Finish Rooms one and two normally. Now, shield bash all the enemies in to the corner before killing them, or use the Nitronome, using guns to kill the gun puppies and you will be in the center of the room and all the loot will be around the edges. With 5 Star gear this would be an easy feat.

Now, invite a friend. The join, they will spawn next to you in the middle of the room. They go solo, then they go collect the boxes.

And because you didn't collect them, when they rejoin you, they can now repeat this process to get lots of crowns with literally no effort.

I run arenas a lot, and being a nerd, I use an excel sheet to calculate my crown earnings. I have learned that even stratum arenas normally gross 2400 crown on average (T1, T2, and T3 are the same crown, it's just different heats/Mats) And ALL arenas, the third room fight and reward boxes count for 50% of that.

So they will get 1200 crown for the 10 energy it cost to join that floor. Being repeatable, they can do this infinity until CE costs hit 12k.

How does this ruin your game? (tl;dr)

They are devaluing crowns, thus, a higher cost of CE. Because of the exploit, they can easily get 12k for every 100 energy they invest, they have no problem paying 6k+ for CE Why not? At the rate of money they make, it's chump change to them.

And because it's a easy profit, they will keep driving the cost of CE up. The exploit make it profitable for them even if the CE price was 10k per 100. So they will have no problem paying more and more for CE. But to you, the average player. That leaves you with a choice. Spend real money, play less, or do this boring exploit.

ThreeRings solved this.

Panda - it's not an exceptional few. In reality, as with most forums, we're looking at a vocal minority of people speaking out against the change. It's more likely that the great majority of players have little to no problem collecting heat and crowns with a full minute and a half to do so, and so you won't see them complaining here.

That said, it doesn't mean your opinion holds no value - it certainly should. But let it never be thought that two pages of people complaining is tantamount to a grand majority of players - most of us simply play the game instead and don't bother posting or replying.

We agree that it's no problem in just about any scenario, but your points about Danger Rooms and Arenas are fair. Perhaps some average players who aren't that familiar with the game would have problems surviving and picking up heat and crowns as they fight. I agree...

...And that's exactly my point: unskilled players shouldn't be taking on Danger Rooms or the third stage of an Arena in the first place if they aren't prepared to risk that. Danger Rooms aren't supposed to be a stroll in the park for anyone to waltz on in and enjoy. They're supposed to be a serious challenge, where only the best players and those with strong teamwork can triumph with minimum to no losses. Same goes for the third room of every Arena - that's why you get two shots at elevators before choosing to go forward to the final stage. All of this, in both scenarios, is completely optional.

Through this mentality, you're pointing at what are supposed to be some of the most challenging parts of the game and noting that 'it's not as easy' anymore. You're right - you have to think differently now - and that's a challenge for some. But there is no challenge in this game that you can't find a way to overcome. Push yourself, and I think you'll find that there's always a way to pull through, though it may simply be through strategies you've never tried before.

If people really want to claim that getting crowns and heat is impossible in Danger Rooms or the Third Room of an Arena, either solo or in parties, I can record some video footage tomorrow and prove just how doable it is when you have a full minute and a half to pick something up.

It's not easy mode - but it's not supposed to be.

Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. : )

"It's more likely that the great majority of players have little to no problem collecting heat and crowns with a full minute and a half to do so, and so you won't see them complaining here."

wow that's some pretty empty logic

the point is this is a terribly unfun game mechanic that can only take away from an experience instead of adding anything

ya this is specially anoying on the spiral court level with kats that have to be killed with the fire pots

Yeah agreed, but unfortunately, they designed the game, they know you have almost no chance of getting to the coins and heat, and did this 90 second rule anyway. It's not as if they just made an oopsie, this is deliberate.

simple solution maybe? change the timer for the tier you are in

tier 1 - 60 secs
tier 2 - 90 secs
tier 3 - 120 secs

OK, I got to do a few runs this morning.

First, it can be *very* hard to tell when stuff disappears when it is out of sight. Just because you don't notice anything doesn't mean that aren't missing out.

Second, most of the time, changing your play works reasonably well.

Third, besides just extending the time to 3 or 5 minutes, maybe every time you kill a monster, you get another 5 or 10 seconds added to the timeout (but never over a maximum amount). That way, if you are actively killing stuff, nothing disappears, but if you are just hanging around, stuff will poof.