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Poison - Does it work?

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Wed, 09/07/2011 - 20:09
Arctic-Fern's picture
Arctic-Fern

Ok, because I don't see any numbers coming out of the enemy when using the Toxic Atomizer against a crowd with 1-2 healers, I'm not so sure anymore...

1. If Healer heals Poisoned Monster, will Poisoned Monster take damage?
2. Same as #1 but will Healer take damage?
3. If Poisoned Healer heals Monster, will Healer take damage?
4. If Poisoned Monster heals itself (JK, Quicksilvers, Gremlins using pills), will Poisoned Monster take damage?
5. And if it's possible to know how much damage...

Extra question:
6. If Poisoned Knight is shot by a Love Puppy will they take damage? :D

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 20:15
#1
OverDingle
Legacy Username
1. Yes 2. No 3. No, unless

1. Yes
2. No
3. No, unless it's healing itself.
4. Monsters with natural regeneration don't take damage when they regenerate, but it prevents the heal. Poison only causes damage from healing 'attacks', so to speak - health pills, gremlin menders, maybe wings. Not sure on the last one... never poisoned a monster around a wing, and the healing isn't an attack.
5. Not sure, I don't use poison frequently enough/never checked
6. How rare it must be to find a love puppy with a poison monster alongside it. No clue.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:36
#2
Abathur's picture
Abathur
A poisoned mob will take 10%

A poisoned mob will take 10% damage if healed. For example a mender heals 200, the POISONED MOB takes 20 damage. This don't work for silkwing, they just heal 10%, for example if they heal 50, 50, 50, they do 5, 5, 5 to the POISONED MOB. It's a bug, I asked all that stuff at the support.
A poisoned healer heals same amount, wont take damage from healing, but still if beeing healed.
Poisoning gremlins right wenn they use their pill, they kill themselves.
Poison decreases the defense by 10% and decreases the attack power by incredible 50%.

Players won't take damage from love puppies, because if a player is poisoned, he just can't get healed, so he can't get damage by healed - because he can't be healed :D
Anyway, also players will take 10% more damage and deal 50% less.

Any other questions?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:15
#3
Arctic-Fern's picture
Arctic-Fern
Thanks!

And now that leaves JK...

I noticed JK's being "buggy" lately... it's stuttering/flashing when it's trying to move anywhere and attacking a lot less. Is that the damage/hits I was looking for when it is poisoned?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:50
#4
OverDingle
Legacy Username
No, JK's regenerate doesn't

No, JK's regenerate doesn't make it take any damage if it's poisoned, it just doesn't heal. It may be bugging out for some reason, but what you're seeing isn't anything to do with the poison at any rate.

It was stated in patch notes sometime in the past that they added code to prevent monsters with regeneration from dying/taking damage via poison(because of the regenerate, but I've never seen a mender in the JK fight) - probably because you could make JK's regenerate win half the fight for you if it was slowly killing itself. I'll try and find the notes.

Edit: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1603

- Poison no longer inverts monster regen, it simply prevents it from occurring. If a monster is healed by another while poisoned, it will still take damage.

Poison used to cause damage to JK, but it hasn't for nearly 6 months.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 06:01
#5
Ailea
Monster's healing Poison'd

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Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:54
#6
sterlingd
Legacy Username
Thanks for posting the

Thanks for posting the numbers you got from support. I'm not big on giving advice on forums, most people do what they want/what they want to hear anyway, but I always found it incredibly short-sighted to pass the VV off. That sounds pretentious, but think about it. Hell, read the oh, noes!!!1one:sad: T3 fiend threads. 50% less damage sound very appealing all of a sudden.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 20:08
#7
Arctic-Fern's picture
Arctic-Fern
A Boy and His Blob

Thanks OverDingle.

It's all right, JK regeneration rate is ridiculous anyway for a ragtag PUG, so poisoning it is still the ultimate counter.

JK still stutters when it's poisoned. :D I guess it takes 0 damage then but that stuttering/slowdown is a second status effect in itself. ^^

Fri, 09/09/2011 - 00:55
#8
Abathur's picture
Abathur
Well there is a youtube video

Well there is a youtube video of Silkwings. They still heal, but pretty less. I guess JK heals himself too, just 5, 5, 5, 5 instead of 50, 50, 50...

Fri, 09/09/2011 - 08:21
#9
Katmint's picture
Katmint
@Xyonon No, JK doesn't heal

@Xyonon No, JK doesn't heal at all. The menders/silkwings used to be able slightly, but it was fixed to do damage instead.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn3OeTEssd8 for a demonstration of monsters getting killed by a mender while poisoned.

Fri, 09/09/2011 - 17:31
#10
Abathur's picture
Abathur
I wrote this to a supporter

I wrote this to a supporter long ago, he said me they all should deal damage to poisoned, even regeneration like jelly king. He said it would be abug if it does not so. I saw later a vid of a silkwing HEALED a poisoned wolver. never died, restored back to full after a long time. Menders used to kill everything.
I guess you're right they really fixed it! And now the other question because of the patch that says that regen will just stopped instead of damaging. whats right there?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:03
#11
Ailea
Oh, wow. I saw the silkiwing

Oh, wow. I saw the silkiwing vid Xyonon mentioned, and thought that healing poisoned enemies did jack squat when they got healed.

Thanks for setting me straight, Xyonon and Katmint!

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