Er...What should I do now?

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The-Hot-Spitta's picture
The-Hot-Spitta

I've just been able to go into Tier 3 but I'm not sure if I can really tackle those lower levels yet. I'll probably learn eventually how to handle T3 but exactly how much harder is it than T2? I consider myself a pretty competent player. Also, does the crown gain in upper T3 outperform JK runs or should I keep doing JK runs for crowns?

Here's my equips:

Ash Tail Set
Wise Owlite
Ascended Calibur
Cryo Driver

I also have an Avenger available but I don't use it much. I plan on using it more when I upgrade it to DA and get enough financial stability for trinket slots, but I need crowns for that. I also have an Antigua available for upgrade.

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
Rawr

Well FSC give WAY more than JK. but...
1. Go in groups if not at all in t3 until you get some 5*. Its harder than it seems.
2. UPGRADE TO DA. Youll need it A LOT
3. Upgrade Ash Tail obvoiusly. Im a skolver but Vog + DA= GOOD
4. Shield upgrade when you can
5. Drop the Antigua. Its upgrades are now inferior to newer guns such as the Pulsar, Catalyzer and Needle Shot alchemy lines. Argent Peacemaker is nice but prettycrappy in comparison to what you'll want for specialized damage. Unless you're a Swordsman then Its ok for support but not reccommended. Im sure others will say so too. Sentezza is nice for pvp though
6. IMPORTANT*** Get Leviathan ***IMPORTANT...........you'll like it for pure normal dmg and its immense knockback

Do as listed above in order and you're good to go. Use the Avenger while you can so you'll get the feel of using it later.
Other than that you sound like going in the right direction for Teir 3. Good luck!

~Xylka

The-Hot-Spitta's picture
The-Hot-Spitta
Yeah I was planning to do

Yeah I was planning to do pretty much all of your suggested upgrades but I don't have the crowns avaliable and getting enough for one 5* upgrade looks to be around 70-80k. D:

So my main focus right now is getting crowns.

Evilduck's picture
Evilduck
Well sure, you COULD go for

Well sure, you COULD go for the cookie cutter loadout..

As far as t3 being too hard, when I started in t3 my only armour set was the 4* cobalt and a jelly shield. I took that to firestorm for the first time, too, and did okay. Fact is, if you're a competent player, and you seem to believe you are, you'll do fine in t3. The key is to avoid taking damage even if it means taking a few extra seconds here and there to land an attack. If you're good at learning, interpreting and reacting to the movements and attacks of different enemies, you'll be absolutely fine.

If you really are a competent player, my advice would be don't go for the cookie cutter loadout. The reason for this is you're much better equipped to wield a less mainstream weapon and actually know how to use it properly - and that's great for you because you have plenty of options and can pick your favourite.

You say you don't use your avenger much and I would assume that's because you don't like it much - attack speed maybe? If you don't like using it, don't bother with it right now. Go for something like a glacius for an elemental sword. DA is helpful in firestorm, and plenty of other environments, but then so are a lot of weapons if you use them effectively.

I own both a vog set and a skolver set and definitely recommend both; vog first if you're looking into doing firestorm, skolver if you're not. The freeze resist is fantastic (freeze is bloody annoying IMO) and the piercing is, of course, good for the jelly runs you do. And of course, if you pick skolver for now, there are other ways to gear up for firestorm. Vog is great, don't get me wrong, but I've had success with several different combinations of gear so, again, pick what suits you. And remember that may change; once I was fairly experienced with firestorm runs I was confident enough to drop a piece of vog for a piece of skolver for the sword damage bonus. I, personally, think the reason this game doesn't get boring once you have the "optimal" loadout is because you grow as a player and broaden your horizons. Experimenting is fun and, yeah, may be expensive, but what else will you spend your crowns on when you have a full 5* set?

I'm a big fan of alchemer guns and would say, unless you plan to solo vanaduke, it's a perfectly good weapon for firestorm runs. I play with a storm driver and it's my absolute favourite weapon. It's rare that I don't carry it because it's rarely going to be useless with all the gun puppies that spawn (although it's much easier to bring it with a four weapon loadout - you may not want to use it as often as I do with only two weapon slots).

The owlite shield is wonderful and definitely a good one to start with. I'd upgrade that asap if I were you as taking less damage is more important than dealing massive amounts of it.

As far as being profitable, I haven't taken any numbers, but I consistently pay to unlock all weapon and trinket slots and still buy recipes and craft items a few times a month. I probably spend 70% of my time in t3 and 20% of my time in firestorm.

Foxhound3857
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FSC from start to finish gets

FSC from start to finish gets you at least 6000 crowns, not to mention any 5* mats you get there, like shadow steel, flame souls, and volcanic iron. So yeah, good money to be had there, if you can survive.

If you intend to do FSC, get a Divine Avenger, and consider a suit of Vog Cub armor, which will give you maximum fire resistance and elemental defense, two of the most important defenses to have against Vanaduke. Shadow defense also helps against the Slags, but isn't mandatory if you're good at not getting hit.

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
@DementedDuck

@DementedDuck
I agree fully with you. I can beat Vanaduke without Vog so its not NEEDED.Also i've run FSC in ash tail, its not hard if you play safe and lisyen to what the pro(s) on the team says. Plus any Shivermist Busters are useless against my Skolver in Lockdown! MUAHA---*ahem* off topic

@OP
Follow the people-who-posted's advice. Besides dont expect to get anything from killing Vanaduke soon. Took me like 100 kills to get that Crest of Almire. @_@
Anyway you're set with the knowledge we gave you.

P.S Heat the Avenger while raking in crowns for upgrade. its a win-win

BadUsername
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Hi, yesterday i did my second

Hi,

yesterday i did my second Tier3 run and the party killed Vana lol

I spent 191 CE and 55 mist but it was fun :D

OBS: i was wearing 4* items and a proto gun :D (gunslinger btw)

OBS2: Proto gun does 6 damage against Vana ;D

Play the game and be happy OP.

Good luck

Theskyblade's picture
Theskyblade
Xylka

i agree, vog is completely unneeded. skolver is way better in every way, exept that it doesnt have ASI. but now that trinkets are good, damage bonus and asi together= WOOOOOO!!!!! plus something about skolver makes you want to relentlessly attack. perhaps its instincts........

Theskyblade's picture
Theskyblade
sorry that was coffee talking there lol

vog isnt unneeded, i just dont prefer it for fsc. idk why but ppl act like skolver has a fire weakness. its perfecly fine for fsc, so long as you dont run through the fire.

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Bopp
tier 3 vs. tier 2, and equipment

There is a noticeable difference in Tier 3, in that monsters deal (and endure) much more damage than in Tier 2. You might think that your ever-improving armor makes up for it, but it doesn't. Players accustomed to Tier 3 are much more careful and knowledgeable than novice players, and get hit only rarely.

With regard to specific items, people are making some very strong statements here, often without substatiation. Of course Vog Cub armor isn't necessary. But it makes FSC somewhat easier than Skolver makes it, because of the fire resistance. Of course DA isn't necessary. You could instead use Glacius (or Voltedge). Argent Peacemaker is generally weak because it's split damage, but its particular damage types make it pretty good against undead, fiends, and Vanaduke's body, so it's good for FSC. It is not crucial that you get Leviathan. It's a nice, general-purpose sword, and it's good against Vanaduke's mask (I guess). There is no sense in which you must buy it. If you're into swords, so that you have a piercing sword, an elemental sword, and a shadow sword, then Leviathan is pleasant but quite superfluous.

Also, FSC is not the only difficult part of Tier 3. Walk into a fiend-filled room with Vog Cub or Skolver armor. It's difficult to dodge every television that they throw at you...