Spiral Knights - OOF. New JK gate = hurty

OOF. New JK gate = hurty

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Thu, 09/22/2011 - 09:01

Tengu

Anyone else getting owned in the new gate?

It maybe a combo of gear, however. I haven't gone through the venom arena, so I've been decked out in fire gear when I get to the castle.

Speaking of...

twice I've gone through the Flame Lash arena in fire gear (Vog/Volcanic) and twice I've gotten owned. I should have been able to shrug off a lot of the flame damage, but it all seemed to go right on through. The guy in full Vog I was running with felt the same way. as a 2man, that arena should have gone quick, but we both ended up having to rev.

I either need to join at the castle or go through the other gate. Maybe I'm just letting a working over affect my later levels.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 09:09

Altstav

Nah..

Got through that Flame Lash Arena about an hour ago, but then had to go up because something came up IRL.
We were a party of 4, none with fire resistive armor or shield. We all died a couple of times in the first 2 arenas, but surprisingly got through the 3rd without (me at least) dying, and I didn't notice any energy rev on the others.

So, it's doable. But you have to have 5* weapons to kill the beasts quickly.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 09:22

Glowing-Ember

Are we talking about tier 2?

Are we talking about tier 2? Because I'm not having any problems out of the ordinary, no.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 11:24

Tengu

Yea, it's the l14 arena. I

Yea, it's the l14 arena. I dunno, it must just be me. I'm in full 5*, unless you count the weapon I'm heating up.

Now I feel sad. :\

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 11:34

Algol-Sixty

Yea, it's the l14 arena. I

Yea, it's the l14 arena. I dunno, it must just be me. I'm in full 5*

Keep in mind that depth 14 is in tier 2, so 5* equipment is often not much better than 3* and in a few cases, worse.

Once upon a time, there was another flame lash slime arena as the only option above the JK, so I ran out and bought haze bomb UV med CTR and crafted it up to be a shivermist ASAP. I "overpaid" for that haze bomb, but I've never regretted it. I used it again today and I suspect the team I was with would have died badly without it.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 13:10

gell

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Keep in mind that depth 14 is

Keep in mind that depth 14 is in tier 2, so 5* equipment is often not much better than 3* and in a few cases, worse.

Can you give me 1 example where a 5* is worse than a 3*? I don't mean a dusker coat being better than a vog cub coat since those are totally different defense and resistances. I can understand a 1 star difference possibly, since the level 1 4* is sometimes worse than the level 10 3*, but 5* vs 3*?

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 13:17

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

he might be referring to big angry bomb..i love mentioning this bomb lol

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 13:48

Altstav

Venom fang is a lot easier.

Went down again, but now I insisted we wait for the Venom Fang Arena.

Again, no troubles. Try to pick your party right before going in there ;D

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 14:22

Noobowns

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I tried this today with a

I tried this today with a group of 3 others I joined at the terminal, (luckily skipping 9-12), and we decided to do flame lash. We did p1 well, p2 we had some issues, and p3 we got owned from the first set of turrets and wolvers. We straight up got dominated and had some revs going on, then we ended it off after too mcuh dying going on in the final wave of mechas.

I think the flame lash was a lot harder than venom fang. And i was using vog set for flame lash, and ive used it for venom fang. Shockingly, venom fang was easier, thoguh i cant heal with 8 second poison times.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 14:41

Algol-Sixty

"Keep in mind that depth 14

"Keep in mind that depth 14 is in tier 2, so 5* equipment is often not much better than 3* and in a few cases, worse."
Can you give me 1 example where a 5* is worse than a 3*?

Check the damage tables for the calibur line in the wiki. The 3* tempered calibur in stratum 4 is 86-90 for the first swing, the 4* ascended calibur is 95-97, only a little better than the 3* and the 5* levianthan blade is 94-95, which is slightly worse than the 4*. Of course, things change when you get into T3.

Normally, higher star items are at least slightly higher than lower star items, but they get nerfed pretty badly if you are higher in the clockworks than they were designed for.

When I wrote the original quote, I think I was misremembering the 4* vs 5* thing, I can't name a specific example of a 5* being worse than a 3*, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were some examples, the calibur example is awfully close.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 15:12

#10

Tengu

Part of it has to do with my

Part of it has to do with my latest gear setups, I think. I've been building up a reliable Vanaduke setup, and in doing so have been neglecting my JK setup. I'm showing up with an odd mix of bomber (mad bomber!!! DOH) and weapons I'm trying to heat up. The compiled attack minuses from non 10 heat gear may be getting me too.

Also, I've given up on the venom veiler. I think I'll switch back to the DVS.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 17:18

#11

Soulstaker

I say it's quite easy.even in

I say it's quite easy.even in my 4* gear it's easy.me and my friend did two man solo too.he had 3* gear.usually I don't like 4 people doing arena because when the horde comes and u got to run around.say I'm running counter clockwise and I reved a dead guy,he gets dumb and runs clockwise messing up the path for everyone and getting us owned.Reason why I hate dumb people.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 18:18

#12

Arctic-Fern

D14 Arenas :D

Ok the flame one, I owned it a while ago in a PUG with my Toxic Atomizer--enemies went down real fast thanks in part to the healers (I <3 you so much, Gremlin Menders... team kill more please)... the only time we had difficulty is the 8 turrets part.

I actually prefer the flame one because I don't have a bomb for the Venom Fang Arena yet (and the last JK gate had a mandatory Venom Fang, I hate you so much)

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 18:56

#13

Tengu

it's easier 2 man, due to the

it's easier 2 man, due to the HP scaling. 2 manning FSC makes it a lot easier. if half of your 4 players suck, you're gonna feel it more.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 23:00

#14

Dirt

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Tonight I ran the Royal Jelly

Tonight I ran the Royal Jelly gate about five or six times while heating up a full Seraphic set. Without the lag I could have made it through each time without dying, and that's with Shadow defense, of all things. I also did the poison arena three times and never died.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 10:13

#15

Bloodfetish

...

i dont have a prob with it, 1st time was with a random group, they all died, and i took on last mecha knight wave circling and kiting with DA.

second time i was with a random group, i told them to leave one or 2 of the 1st waves wolvers(3rd room) untill no more waves appear, then to kill the wolvers to start the secondary waves spawning.

this way, no alpha wolvers and turrets, or 2 spawns of turrets at once.

was asking the same of the randoms when doin poison arena, since most the time in a random group they wave all gun puppies at once, best to make sure you arent facing a secondary wave at the same time, so leave one of the start green lichens.

but yeah, solo is so much easier then 3 other random people of varying skill tagging along.

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OOF. New JK gate = hurty