Spiral Knights - OOO move ce market to the AH

OOO move ce market to the AH

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Thu, 09/22/2011 - 15:43

Rommil

Its time this be done.
CE needs to be tradable in lots of 100 on the AH. Same bid/buy mechanism as any auction. It will put an end to any and every ce market thread. It'll end the complaints about power surge weekend. It will prove (or disprove) once and for all the arguments about CE being a completely player driven market. And whichever way it proves to be is moot anyhow, since it will create a system that IS TRULY AND INARGUABLY player driven.

Seriously, it would take the main complaint, gripe, and disagreement of this game and erase it entirely.
There cannot be a more simple and fool-proof way to resolve the biggest RAGE INDUCING issue this game faces on a daily basis. An issue for which the fires stoke even brighter with every event.

How this isn't implemented is beyond me.......

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 15:57

Algol-Sixty

No. I really really don't

No. I really really don't want to see CE prices go up nor do I want to see the fluctuations in prices vary by a factor of 10 in just a few seconds like they often do on the AH. Anyone who thinks that the AH is more stable or cheaper than the cr<->CE market just hasn't looked at it.

Yes, there is a flood of materials, and therefore the price of most of them is dropping. That doesn't meant that if you add CE to the AH, that the AH prices will drop.

Now, I wouldn't object to allowing CE to be traded on the AH in addition to the normal market, but no sane CE seller would ever use it, and no sane CE buyer would buy the more expensive CE from the AH.

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 16:14

BiggestLoser

Legacy Username

Zelda

i see more people having issues with energy debates than people who proclaim to dislike energy market/system/w.e

but thats just my point of view..

"Seriously, it would take the main complaint, gripe, and disagreement of this game and erase it entirely."

that doesnt really make sense and after all if that statement was to be true, itd merely kill 1 spicy forum topic

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 16:35

Oakgear

phildumb

Dont you know the trade market for CE is a good and succesful way for CR to CE
Dont every do a thread like this...
EVER AGAIN!

Thu, 09/22/2011 - 22:36

ahsura

Legacy Username

10% charges

with the 10% charges on AH...CE price will rise higher!!!!!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 00:29

Antistone

Legacy Username

Nothing to see here

Philidor is obviously either a troll or utterly clueless--Poe's Law states that we can never tell which.

He references a bunch of complaints that people have, and then claims that they can all be "erased" by...a change that has no apparent relation to any of them, and which has numerous obvious downsides. While presenting absolutely no coherent reasoning regarding...anything at all. And using lots of dramatic and emotionally-charged but ultimately meaningless language.

He's wasting our time. Quite possibly deliberately. Taking him seriously is only going to encourage him.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:19

Psychorazer

.........

Everyone is calling each other a troll these days...

Anyway, on topic. Sorry, but no. -1. Price will rice cuz of the 10% thing mentioned before, and well...We can just sell them via trade in social chat.

Can't see any positive effects. Player driven is besides the point. Market threads will still pop up complaining about players selling the energy.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:45

Effrul

Agreed with all of the above

Agreed with all of the above - the AH's 10% levy will drive prices up somewhat, as there's no equivalent charge on the extant system. Plus, it's hugely inconvenient compared to the current market, which you can access at any time, including dungeons - how many players do you think use the CE market button when they've died on a particularly hard boss, but are SO CLOSE to winning that they'll happily drop the required ¢5k or so for a boost? (Hint: the answer is somewhere between "lots" and "seriously, lots".)

Adding CE sales to the Auction House needlessly overcomplicates an extremely convenient and efficient system. It won't put an end to whining about energy prices and adds an unnecessary layer of complication to a very straightforward transaction. From Three Rings' perspective, it kills players' opportunities to make impulsive mid-dungeon CE purchases, which, as CE is their sole revenue source from the game, hurts their business model. That is why it's not been implemented.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:42

debianlinux

Legacy Username

CE at the AH

The current system only allows me to buy item X from player Y for Z amount of crowns.

What if player Y could specify an alternate amount of CE he would accept instead of Z amount of crowns in the same fashion he can specify a start bid and buyout price?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:52

Nattss

It's completely necessary to

It's completely necessary to buy CE while travelling the depths, so having it at the AH would be painful. I wish there was actually an AH button so I didn't physically have to go there to do auction dealings, and had more AH tools (like search on an item you want to sell, to see the "going rate")

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:57

#10

Erika-Maeda

Buy CE on the flight

Then what? I am doing a full run and out of CE, I need to go ALL the way back to haven to bid for it (may wait for a few hour or pay a ridiculous buyout price) then return to the run if the Team Leader still want or still have the slot reserved for me, and make the whole team wait?
COWSHEET!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:13

#11

Algol-Sixty

What if player Y could

What if player Y could specify an alternate amount of CE he would accept instead of Z amount of crowns in the same fashion he can specify a start bid and buyout price?

The BIN vs waiting is already in the current cr<->CE exchange with the "trade" screen vs the "market" screen. Allowing a player to create a more complete demand (or supply) curve where they could say "I'm willing to buy 100CE @ 6kcr, 500CE @ 5.5kcr, 5000CE @ 4kcr, etc., but if a lower price fills, I don't want to buy at the higher price too" would be theoretically good, but in practice, too complicated.

The cr<->CE exchange works very very well for commodities. The AH works ok for things that aren't commodities, which is basically just items with UVs. The AH is clumsy, over designed and inefficient for the vast majority of things listed on it. (For those that don't recognize the definition of a "commodity", they are things that are completely interchangeable. My light shard is exactly the same as your light shard, my bushel of corn is (effectively) exactly the same as your bushel of corn, etc. See commodity)

Rather than trying to move more stuff to the AH format, I would rather see most stuff shifted to the cr<->CE format. I would love to be able to say "I'm willing to buy X owlite feathers for Y cr" and have them fill automatically. I would love to be able to say "I'm selling X monster bones at Y cr" and have them sell individually without listing X different auctions. I would love to be able to BIN a primal ore in one easy operation that always picks the cheapest primal ore, rather than forcing me to sort through stuff.

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