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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 21:44
Soulstaker's picture
Soulstaker

I'm starting to regret being a swordsman in FSC after one horrible trip.my sword was useless with four people.I see one guy with a cryotech alhemers idk what's it called buts it's 4* version the guy with it totally owned the zombie.I'm probally Gunna be gunslinger for only FSC.any recommendations?I'm having silversix as one option and then something else.

The armor I have currently is
Rock jelly helm
Wise owlitte shield
Ash tail coat

But my gunner suit is
Idk how it's called but 4* of gunslinger cap
And armor

4* of skelly shield.

I might have a third wep slot and maybe have an acended caliber with it.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 22:57
#1
Blue-Asylum
He owned the zombies because

He owned the zombies because the Cryo-driver deals elemental dmg which the zombie's are weak too. He may have had other boosts as well. A boosted Hail driver with added dmg to undead can really clear a room.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 00:04
#2
Crimson-Lily's picture
Crimson-Lily
well, i am

i already do what you're planning to do. a pure gunner / gunslinger equipment for fsc. and have maximum gun damage bonus to all enemy.
best weapon so far for fsc, i only need 2. Polaris and blitz needle.
Polaris practically own everything in fsc, even vanaduke. blitz is an additional heavy hitter weapon when you have the chance to use it.
1 charge attack of blitz needle will instant KILL any zombie or trojan in close range.
i can solo from basil all the way to kill vana with only this 2 gun.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 01:11
#3
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Batabii
Personally I think it's a bad

Personally I think it's a bad idea to stick to only one weapon type, much like only using one damage type. Restricting yourself to guns can mean losing a lot of power or attack speed, depending what you go with, and if enemies mob you, guns become a lot less useful, especially since almost no guns penetrate or knock back like swords and bombs do.

If you go swords only, you can use winmillion or divine avenger to make up for the lack of projectile. If you use bombs, the RSS makes a good gun replacement. But there really are no guns that are spammable at close range like swords. Even the Argent Peacemaker has very weak damage per bullet, despite firing quickly.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 01:40
#4
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Avixi
Polaris is the most annoying

Polaris is the most annoying weapon ever, bar none.

At least the Leviathan charge-spammers have to spend 2-3 seconds charging.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 02:50
#5
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Sypsy
I second Crimson Lily's

I second Crimson Lily's comment

I also run FSC with a mix.
Polaris and Blitz is all you need for guns for FSC. I use my other two slots for a DA/Levi & Shivermist. I usually wear my full vog too, so no gunslinger armor required.

Also, I think it's a little much to become a gunner just because you saw your friend own one zombie. Getting a gun? Yes.
Using guns only and having a nameless/deadshot set? Seems like a tall order, make sure you enjoy it and it's not short phase.

You should also be warned about the low damage of guns.
With 2 gun damage trinkets (vhigh), my polaris' normal shots will do less than an unbuffed levi's first or second swing. The expanded shots do more damage, but not by much. My unbuffed DA does WAY more damage to a zombie than my buffed polaris.

The right swords will be way faster than the right gun at taking out non-boss mobs (trojans are an exception.) Perhaps watch how long it takes your friend to own a fresh zombie, you may have seen a zombie with low health and misinterpreted the speed at which it died.

--Sypsy

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 05:52
#6
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Axylus
I would never do the FSC

I would never do the FSC without a sword because you need to be able to push enemies back when you're surrounded, which happens frequently. All you need to do is obtain a divine avenger and learn how to fight slag walkers without taking damage.

Hints for success:

  • Hit them with the very tip of your sword.
  • Hit them with two swings when they jump at you, but otherwise never use the second swing unless you're certain it's safe to do.
  • Try to group them together so you can hit them all with one swing.

My usual attack strategy is to hit a slag walker with one swing, hold my shield button just before the swing ends (the shield will activate surprisingly promptly), walk a little away from the slag walker so its attack misses, walk back towards it, then repeat. With enough practice, you can even hit slag walkers with the tip of your sword with both swings, without them being able to hit you.

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 07:25
#7
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Darktuga
Yeah if i were you and i was

Yeah if i were you and i was going to fsc i would bring a AP that thing is always good in FSC (except for jelly but there's only little of them) also a piercing good isnt bad for fsc. Trojans and vanaduke is weak against piercing and is does normal dmg to zombie.

Go for Nameless Set

Damage Trinkets

Shield you can choose (but dont get the swift buckler)

Sat, 09/24/2011 - 08:03
#8
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Andyspace
no full gunner full swordman

no full gunner
full swordman is good
and full bomber
but not full gunner
here.
SWORD
SWORD
GUN
BOMB

or

bomb
bomb
bomb
bomb

or

sword
sword
sword
gun

or

gun
gun
gun
SWORD

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 11:54
#9
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Crimson-Lily
full gunner is good

who said it isn't? try it, it's good. just don't bring the wrong combination weapon. lol.
well, i would ALways go to fsc without a sword, lol.
push enemy problem? polaris and shield bash already covered that out.
i'm a pure gunner, and always bring all gun to fsc, (polaris and blitz only). i never bring a sword with my gunner account. and i didn't have trouble with it.
i have separate pure sword account with DA equipped, pure bomber, and pure gunner. and to my preference, bringing a gunner account is much more effective and safer in fsc. i finish fsc more easier and more faster with my gunner than my sword account with DA. already tested this.

true, DA deal more damage per hit than gun. but ..... you need to go closer to the enemy, and there's risk of getting hit back if you're careless, and you're attack range is limited. while gun (polaris), can deal good damage from afar(meaning more safer for us), do area damage, push enemy back, and put shock status to them (and watch them shock each other). oh, and better bring polaris than AP. just my tip. polaris will save your life more often than AP, since you have the same mobility when shooting like AP does, and have some added knockback ability, especially when you're soloing or in closed room and did i already mention the shock status it inflicted? XD

i do a little race test too with a friend just for fun. in 25th floor, middle area, 3 random spawn zombie for me (gunner max damage), and 3 other random spawn zombie for my friend (DA with max damage). result? i finished faster and come helping my friend XD
how come? 1 charge of my blitz kill 1 zombie, so basically, i just charge my blitz 3 times in a row, and i'm done.

but in closed room, using DA will finish the room quicker, since the zombie tend to clump together, so you can hit multiple zombie more often with a swing / DA charge attack. except if there's trojan around. DA user will get additional troubles, since you can't move while swinging your DA or charge attack, and when you're not moving? ....... trojan will smash your head nicely. but if you're already a really experienced player, i'm sure you can manage this though.

but with my gunner account, clearing a horde of zombie in closed room may sometimes takes more time than using DA, but still easy and safely.
Trojan suddenly appear? no problem, they doesn't attack at all, since i never stop moving while shooting my polaris to the zombie. even if i just moving up and down, or left and right, as long as i didn't stop moving, the trojan won't attack.

so yeah, sword is good, but not a must in fsc. while in contrary, you must have a gun to kill vana.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 13:26
#10
Richy's picture
Richy
I go full gunner in FSC. I

I go full gunner in FSC. I will take a Polaris over most things.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 14:06
#11
Abathur's picture
Abathur
I allways go full gunner or

I allways go full gunner or replace 1-2 with a bomb like shivermist or voltaic tempest. Never ever gonna use a sword cause most of them deal not enough damage and they are just not able to crow control so good as a gunner. Blitz and Polaris will allways outdamage a Swordie. They are awesome and killers. Even Biohazard will deal with swords well. All the other guns are probably same or a little bit weaker. Often swordies don't realize that they deal no damage while they are moving, while gunners do.

I recomment you Blitz Needle, Polaris and Biohazard and Callahan. Callahan can be replaced with Shivermist or Voltaic Tempest. Blitz Needle and Callahan are both Pierce and quite good. Blitz is way stronger but needs much more expieriences to use good.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 15:02
#12
Sol-Xii's picture
Sol-Xii
Why gunner? TO BE AWESOME.

Gunslinger, hands down. Just don't bring a Magma Driver and Biohazard to FSC.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 21:01
#13
Abathur's picture
Abathur
Sol-Xii ... MADE MY DAY :D

Sol-Xii ... MADE MY DAY :D luv u ^^

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 21:37
#14
Arctic-Fern's picture
Arctic-Fern
@Andyspace:

gun
gun
gun
SWORD

Sounds like full gunner to me with a sword sidearm.

***

How's this for FSC?
Polaris / Nova Driver
Blitz
DA
(Valiance)

Right now, I can't decide on whether I like my alt better than my main. :p So I'm running on 3 weapons.

Sun, 09/25/2011 - 23:17
#15
Shadowoctopus's picture
Shadowoctopus
The path of a Gunslinger

The path of a Gunslinger isn't that great. We all have our moments of distrust in our weapons.

As a Gunslinger myself, my loadout doesn't really change much. I've used alot of guns.. but these are the weapons I generally use.. The thing to remember with being a gunner is you don't do much damage, and with the enemy's health increasing with more party members, you do even less damage. So the easiest time being a Gunner is a party of 2 or solo. Otherwise you'll need to start looking into Trueshot trinkets or feel like you're left in the dust.

Before reading this list, remember some key things.. Gunslingers take it a bit slower then everybody else. Sword guys rush in and take huges amounts of damage, sometimes ending up having you as their medic. If you do levels solo.. it can take hours, even with damage boosted. Gunslinger armor is generally crap, so it isn't unusual to see Gunslingers owning multiple armor types to get damage bonuses or some sort of resistance. The most popular armor is oviously Nameless, but since that doesn't provide fire resistance, you might feel a bit jipped compared to those flame resistant Animal pajamas every one else is wearing *cough*Vog*cough*

As for joining random parties, it isn't unusual for some players to simply throw you out once they see your spurs and hat. A gunslinger without a sword will enrage many players in parties. So it might be a good idea to keep a sword around. FSC it tends to vary since so many people gun down there though, but I have been whined at before by some hotshot players in the past asking for "More swording" or freaking out because I brought a shadow weapon to take care of the few oilers, exploding cubes, and so on.

Armor: (The stuff I wear anyway.)
Nameless Hat (Elemental and Medium ASI, I feel naked without this hat.)
Deadshot Mantle (Medium bonus on all weapons against undead and shadow resistance, and curse resistance which.. meh.)
Grey Owl Shield

1 Umbra driver:Slimes, Gremlins, and even wolvers if there are alot of them and I need to keep moving. The bounce and split of the shots can be dangerous in certain environments, specially ones heavy in switches or with exploding blocks which will make you worried about your allies. Charge shot can be nice, when used against larger targets it does alot of damage and the bullets bounce inside of large enemies inflicting more damage.

However, the Umbra driver isn't that popular with many hardcore gunners as many prefer the Biohazard. I personally find that gun too slow and frustrating when my teammates trash a enemy quickly before I can even use that infamous charge shot to inflict heavy damage.

2 Polaris: Polaris is your go to gun against undead, constructs, and if you just need to put distance between yourself and an enemy. Knockback doesn't kick in for a good distance so don't think of it as a shotgun, it's a grenade launcher. If your planning to use it to help inflict damage to an enemy a sword user is fighting, you need to get closer to prevent knockback from kicking in. Against Mecha Knights.. it's probably not as good as a Storm driver, but otherwise it's the DA of guns. Honestly, Mecha knights are probably the biggest weak point of Gunners when in a party. Shielding Mecha knights is a good thing to a gunner because it means they aren't kill you, but to your allies it just means they're blocking their sword attack and not dieing fast enough.
Polaris is also the "sword" of the Gun user, as the explosions allow them to blow up grass (If you're bored. :P ) Polaris's other benefits would be against gunpuppies as you can inflict shock to prevent flamethrowers from breathing fire, usually takes about 3 to 6 shots to take one out.

3Callahan: The Florish of the handguns. The Callahan inflicts stun as well as "stunlocks" some enemies, making it useful to help out your sword friends by stunlocking gremlin bombers. Callahan is the go to weapon of choice when inflicting damage to Devilites and Wolvers but the chargeshot is downright dangerous at times as it can throw the user rather far if they aren't paying attention to their environment. The lock in place while using the Callahan isn't long, but it's enough to want to use the Shadowdriver/Umbra driver for a bit if your dealing with a pack of wolvers.

4Blitz needler: Recently acquired this, but having toyed around with it on Vanaduke this IS the weapon to use on Vanaduke or any Trojans really. Just a Strike Needler charge shot can take out a trojan. This also covers the issue with Greavers (A big pain to gunners, shield block,bump, and shoot)which this weapon makes rather short work of. Other enemies I'd recommend it's use would strangely be Jellyking.. Yes you heard right. the Royal Jelly only takes normal damage from piercing weapons, so you can pump alot of damage quick with this gun if your crazy enough. However, the Blitz is an Autogun, it holds you in place and holds for awhile, but since it has good range, the best idea is to use it far away, then get ready to shield or run before using it again since you'll be wide open. A better weapon if you can stand PVP, would be the Plague needler since it works on JK and Vanaduke and is rather party friendly by weakening the monster.

With those weapons, you'll be able to handle 98% of situations easily, just requires practice of the skill, patients and learning tricks for each gun. But considering you'll be hated by a portion of the community, do less damage, have only ranged knock back and shield bumping, and have armor which.. honestly is almost optional. I like the ASI, but you could always just get an ASI medium trinket and just carry a Polaris in your load out of swords for FSC.. Be alot cheaper in the long run then becoming a full gunslinger if you're already a sword guy.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 09:10
#16
Abathur's picture
Abathur
@ Shadowoctopus after reading

@ Shadowoctopus

after reading you said guns deal not much damage i stoped to read the whole wall'o'text... Maybe you use the wrong weapons or you use pierce against jelly or something or even just normal guns. I've never seen any swordmen that outdamages Polaris, Blitz Needle or Biohazard. And never forget about the fact that you shoot while others are charging, blocking, moving or doin' other crap gunslingers don't have to or just rarly have to do.
Gunslinger actually is better than everything else, i guess bomber would be great too, but too party oriented. Swordies are the basic guys that think they deal the most damage - fact is they dont.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 22:48
#17
Sol-Xii's picture
Sol-Xii
Those pesky Devilites

@Abathur
Yeah, true. Who can say guns are second to swords without using Blitz Needle or Polaris?

GUNS HAVE LOW DPS??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? You can compare guns to guns, but guns to SWORDS? Of course they made it more damage per attack (because of the long-range issue) but it depends on how you use it. You can snipe down all the enemies before that other swordie charges his DA. That just isn't right. But I totally understand how you think if you don't have good aim. ;)
I read 'don't do much damage' and blanked out. Biohazard, Polaris, Callahan and Blitz Needle are EPIC damage makers. Don't ever forget that.
And while the rest of you're party is dead, gloat on their dead bodies while you snipe wolvers from where you're standing.

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