I joined the tier 3 from about 2 weeks ago, and I just noticed that 90% of the tier 3 players have the Divine Avenger.
Well, Ok, great sword but maybe is a bit boring to see everyone using it and also for cheat at Sfc. (Yes, I hate to cheat at Sfc, where is the fun then?)
Once I joined a random group and guess what? A party of Divine Avenger!
I'm not saying that you shouldn't use divine avenger, but is overused and maybe we need an update with more weapons to choose.
Divine Avenger everywhere?
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 03:19
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 07:00
#2
DA is overrated dealt with
DA is overrated dealt with it, get a Glacius or voltedge and try to be diferent for the lols.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 07:07
#3
The Brandish lines swords are
The Brandish lines swords are beast, I wont deny that.
I've always been a fan of the great swords personally (was using the Troika line before it nerfed), and when I rolled CTR VH on my DA, it became better than my Combuster/Glacius, easily.
So there's my excuse. haha
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 07:39
#4
Zelda
its because most people choose the easy way
however, im pretty sure thers been tons of requests to make this sword alot weaker. untill then, i dont see any reason not to use it
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 12:51
#5
the reasons not to use DA
There are several reasons why you might not use DA. For example, let me compare Glacius to DA:
Glacius advantages:
higher damage per second on regular attacks
charge attack freezes with good chances
easier to hit fast enemies
more chances to interrupt combo for shielding, maneuvering
DA advantages:
higher damage on charge attack
charge attack pushes enemies away (sometimes this is bad!)
longer reach
more knockback
It is not at all clear that DA is better than Glacius. My current opinion is that Glacius is better. So no, DA is not overpowered.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 13:24
#6
Zelda
i said i dont see any reason not to use it, meaning i dont see any disadvantage having it equipped
i didnt say i dont see any reason not to use a glacius as well or instead
to me the DA charge attack knockback has never been a disadvantage or bad in any way
i once made a list of several situations in the clockworks and noted down which weapon id prefer for each of these situations, the DA had outstanding results, the glacius won among the elemental brandishes including the shock brandish
and by the way u forgot to mention the angle of the DA, which is extremely important, even in pvp
might also wana mention the projectiles reaching through walls, which can be useful, but only in pve
i never said, that DA is better than glacius
unlike ur title states "the reasons not to use DA", u dont mention any reason other than the knockback from charge attack being bad sometimes, which is merely ur personal opinion, which i cannot share, therefore it has no value to me
im not posting as a fan of the DA, i started of with a calibur and went with the combuster, then went into bombing, it took me a long way untill i got the popular vog set and divine avenger, everything i type, is based on my rather skeptic experiences
i still have the opinion, that the divine avenger should be severely nerfed and, if possible, at the same time, the big angry bomb and the troika line should get a humongous buff
E:1 more thing that i dont expect every1 to acknowledge is the spammability of the charge attacks, where the glacius won due to the divine avenger's longer animation, which is why i even use a glacius
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 13:40
#7
The charge attack is Easy
The charge attack is Easy Mode.
2-4 people with MAX CTR UV's = 25 min FSC runs
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 14:07
#8
lol
unless u get a rly good CTR uv, DA pretty much is not a great sword ppl who use it mostly use it to charge spam(which can be done with a levi like i have)
and for cheating i FSC(i hate wen ppl do that)
reach is good, dps is ok, charge is great, and thats about it :D
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 14:14
#9
Divine Avenger is the best
Divine Avenger is the best elemental sword for zombies in FSC since you can hit several at once with every swing, resulting in higher dps over Brandish swords. Fang of Vog is terrible for normal attacks. It's got less damage than the brandish lines and it's much slower.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 14:24
#10
huh?
No-Thanks: I didn't think that you were disparaging the Glacius or any other sword, or that you were a fan of the DA, and I don't really care anyway. But your arguments about the DA make no sense to me.
You say that I gave no reasons not to use the DA, but I gave several advantages of Glacius over DA, and every one of those is inherently a reason not to use DA. For example, "Glacius offers more damage per second" contains the same information as "DA offers less damage per second", which is obviously a reason not to use DA. Right?
The idea that knockback on a weapon can be undesirable is well known. This is why Leviathan users have to use their awesome charge attack carefully when fighting in parties. This (and the animations) are why Nitronome/Polaris users have to fight carefully in parties. The same goes for DA users.
So if DA is no better than Glacius or Combuster, and it should be nerfed, then should Glacius and Combuster also be nerfed? And should Nitronome be nerfed down to the level of Big Angry Bomb?
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 15:33
#11
Zelda
no an advantage of glacius is not a reason not to use a DA
examples of reasons for not using a weapon:
being vulnerable because the player cant play very well with the weapon
being vulnerable because the weapon causes negative status or has other effects, which cause a player to get hit
merely disliking a weapon because of [insert whatever here]
having very low dps in comparison to other players and/or weapons(this would be the kind of reason ur using, but itd require a bigger difference, as in alot more advantages on the glacius, than just the few, u mentioned)
an advantage of glacius is merely a reason to use a glacius and nothing more than that unless its truly outstanding, then it could be a reason to replace another weapon, if 1 would be willing to sacrifice the special abilities of that other weapon
im just gonna accept what ur saying and get the 20% dps loss by using a DA
at the same time ill feel alot safer in many situations
"The idea that knockback on a weapon can be undesirable is well known."
i dont care what is well known. all my dislikes about weapons with knockback in this game are based on my personal experiences, not what other people say or prefer and so far i havent had any issues with a DA's knockback
"So if DA is no better than Glacius or Combuster, and it should be nerfed, then should Glacius and Combuster also be nerfed? And should Nitronome be nerfed down to the level of Big Angry Bomb?"
i didnt say that DA is no better than glacius or combuster, u keep ur opinion bout whats good n bad just like i keep mine. its a matter of preference/opinion, not a fact and in no way crucial to the part of the discussion, that i wana take part in
i request a nerf and/or buff because i consider the weapons, that i mentioned, to be imbalanced in a bad way
the DA has a good charge attack and a fast regular attack in comparison with the troika line
the troika line is very slow in either of its attacks and makes the players vulnerable. the dmg doesnt make up for the drawbacks
the nitronome has a short fuse and charge time, a little knockback and a big blast radius
the big angry bomb has a movement speed decrease, a slow charge and fuse time, a little blast radius and a big knockback. while the knockback doesnt contribute to killing a monster, the additional dmg output is too bad to make up for the drawbacks, which make it harder for the players to lure monsters inside the blast circle during the moment of the explosion
i dont see any reason to nerf a glacius or combuster, because i havent seen them overkill monsters like a DA does
i would like to say the nitronome should be nerfed, but it is pretty much the only bomb, that i personally would consider an actual bomb, thats why im not gona request anything here either(i havent tryed the DBB and many other bombs dont have the classic explosion, while the ones, that do have the classic explosion, mostly have a rather little AoE or other disadvantages, which makes them more inconvenient than swords)
now after all this, once again, im just gona accept, what ur saying, so the glacius is better..i have 4 weapon slots, why shouldnt i bring the DA with me? now dont tell me u know 3 other elemental weapons and their advantages
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 16:27
#12
"There's no doubt that Divine
"There's no doubt that Divine Avenger is a nice sword. It has a great charge attack. For regular attacks, it has nice reach and knockback, but not the best damage per second.
I think that you're seeing a lot of experienced players, but not a lot of really experienced players. The latter have at least tried, and have perhaps settled on, other elemental swords: Glacius, Combuster, Voltedge, or Fang of Vog. I myself currently prefer my Glacius to my DA, even though the latter has really nice UVs."
I've been playing the game for a very long time, and I still prefer DA as my elemental sword of choice.
The brandishes may have the best single target DPS for all the elemental swords. That is certainly true. But DA has the advantage of knockback, a wider attack radius, and the incredible utility of its charge attack. Not only is it a great sword if you want to deal elemental damage, but it just has general utility that makes it must in any swordsman's arsenal.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:01
#13
I agree with Zealousd
Don't get me wrong, I love my Glacius. It was my very first sword in the game, and I stuck with it even though all my friends were using sealed swords. However, I definitely prefer the Divine Avenger and its knock back with just one swing and then incredible knock back on the 2nd. To get any knock back with the Glacius I have to hit 3 times, and with zombies in FSC, it can be frustrating.
The Divine Avenger just fits my attack style. Go with a sword that fits you.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:42
#14
first, to Zealousd
Zealousd: I'm not saying that all really experienced players avoid DA. My post, which you quoted, was appropriately humble on this point: "really experienced players...have at least tried, and have perhaps settled on, other elemental swords..." Yes, some very good players, much better than me, use the DA regularly. Also, I use the DA regularly. I agree that every player who is into swords should try it.
I am merely trying to fight against the common misconception that DA is somehow insanely, unequivocally better than all other swords. It is not insanely, unequivocally better. Reasonable people recognize that although DA is nice, other elemental swords have nice features that DA does not. (Edited slightly.)
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:16
#15
second, to No-Thanks
Our disagreement seems to hinge on a silly semantic issue: whether a "disadvantage" of the DA is a "reason not to use" DA. The rest of our argument is similar devoid of content. As I explained to Zealousd, I was merely trying to combat the common misconception that DA is somehow insanely better than all other swords. I think you've heard me talk enough about it, so I'm done. Cheers.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:23
#16
+1
What Zealousd said.
I've been playing this game since Beta and greatly prefer the Divine Avenger to the brandishes. The reason? It fits my play style. I'm a big, two-swing sword kinda guy. It is all about hitting 5 zombies at once, or doing a 360 on a group of charging Kats, dead. Or, my favorite, the last room of the arena with dozens of Mecha Knights bearing down. The best weapon is the one that works for you :D
The brandishes do, however, pair nicely with their respective Vortexes. If I'm packing a Vortex then the Glacius or Acheron is a must. Otherwise it is DA/GF for me.
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 23:16
#17
My Glacius (Acutally it's
My Glacius (Acutally it's only 4* still) hit's for about 250 in strat 5/6. It freezes monsters. It knocks back with it's charge. And then freezes even more. I don't think, if I don't need the AOE a DA has considering EVERY other person only uses a DA/Polaris, and spams the crap out of both of them with no real UVs or trinkets and therefore have really low damage, that I need a DA.
I watch people attack monsters in most situations forever compared to how long it takes me to kill something. Single target DPS comes out more important in my play style, and specializing in damage while varying in defense seems to work best in this and every other game like it.
I don't see the real reason for DA being so popular; the people who claim this or that about it end up doing less damage than me in most situations and die constantly anyway. It's just some good players might have used it and so XYZ crappy players use it cuz it looks epicz.
PS: Not saying DA users are crappy; it's just so many people use it that many of them suck.
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:51
#18
Zelda
never said DA being better
merely trying to support a long overdue balance patch
There's no doubt that Divine Avenger is a nice sword. It has a great charge attack. For regular attacks, it has nice reach and knockback, but not the best damage per second.
I think that you're seeing a lot of experienced players, but not a lot of really experienced players. The latter have at least tried, and have perhaps settled on, other elemental swords: Glacius, Combuster, Voltedge, or Fang of Vog. I myself currently prefer my Glacius to my DA, even though the latter has really nice UVs.