Spiral Knights - Vanduke is immune to Shadow damage in his last phase

Vanduke is immune to Shadow damage in his last phase

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:15

Katmint

I just did an FSC run earlier and took my Sentenza for some leveling. Since Vanaduke is allegedly neutral to shadow I figured it would be just as good as Argent Peacemaker for the boss fight. At first, it was. It performed the same as the AP in Phase 1 and 3.

However, in Phase 5, the gun suddenly did half damage. Confused by this, I later returned to Vanaduke, this time with an Umbra Driver.

Umbra Driver did 87 each shot to Phase 1 and 3. Still neutral. However, in Phase 5, no damage number appeared at all. Both the regular and charge attack failed to damage him at all. And yes, I made sure the shots weren't being stopped by flame orbs. I used the broken freezes to confirm I was actually hitting him.

So yeah, tl;dr Vanaduke is immune to Shadow in his last phase. Strikes me a very odd, so I sent an in-game bug report about it just in case it's unintentional.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:49

Madadder

uhhh it could be that you

uhhh it could be that you werent in range to see the numbers from the damage since u cant break freeze otherwise

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:53

Alice-In-Pyroland

Which wouldn't explain

Which wouldn't explain Sentenza's damage going down Madadder.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:03

Madadder

echoez

Umbra Driver did 87 each shot to Phase 1 and 3. Still neutral. However, in Phase 5, no damage number appeared at all

this is what i was talking about i never said anything about reduced damage

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:53

Alice-In-Pyroland

But that still doesn't

But that still doesn't address why the damage goes down. If Sentenza's damage drops in phase 5 where as no other weapon appears to, and the pure damage weapon is seemingly not doing damage then it would indicate that for one reason or another vanaduke is immune to shadow or takes reduced damage from it in phase 5. If he simply didn't see umbra's dmg values and we assume for a moment that it was in fact doing damage, then why did Sentenza's damage values lower?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:16

Sypsy

Theory-craft

@ Madadder
While it is good to point out a possible reason for no damage from the umbra, it is unlikely the case since it sounds like Katmint knows what (s)he is doing. (S)he purposefully went down with an umbra to search for the damage, so not seeing it is not the issue here.

@Katmint
Anyway, I find this interesting. Perhaps Vanaduke's type changing in phases was built in to be consistent with the lore. When the mask is destroyed, he becomes something else, more undead like that is resistant to shadow damage, while before he was more "normal"?

His mask takes the most damage from normal in phase 2 & 4. By losing it after phase 4, he loses a component that allowed him to take all types of damage and is left with his body, which is of a different type.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:20

Madadder

i never addressed the

i never addressed the sentenza aspect of the post only the umbra... echoez quit shoving me around in this convo with irrelevant posts on something i never mentioned. honestly no matter the reason i can't see someone actually using a shadow weapon in a dungeon that's primarily shadow based, it comes to no surprise that vana is resistant to shadow regardless if he doesn't follow the same attributes as common monsters

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:26

Batabii

It probably just didn't show

It probably just didn't show numbers right. Sometimes it glitches, especially on supereffective hits. No weapon can EVER do zero damage.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:42

Alice-In-Pyroland

It really needs further

It really needs further testing, both with shadow and weapons of other attributes to establish whether it's a universal thing, just relating to shadow or perhaps even a glitch with these particular weapons. The idea of his resistances changing as the fight progress is an interesting one though, it'd be nice if we could get a developer to weigh in on whether it's intentional or a glitch. I'll probably test this out a bit after the maintanence 'boot.

@Madadder: I see the point completely went over your head but oh well.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 08:35

Katmint

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@Madadder I said "I used the broken freezes to confirm I was actually hitting him." I wouldn't have made this topic unless I was 100% sure the shots were hitting.

@Batabii Except in every other case, it does actually show the numbers, they're just the wrong color. This is completely different.

@Echoez Yeah, I'd love for a dev to clear things up about the resists.

@Sypsy Nice theory, sounds like if it is intentional that he gains a shadow immunity when the mask is destroyed, then the reason probably comes from his lore.

Anyway, It'd also be interesting if someone with a Biohazard could test this. If I'm right, it should still cause poison, but no damage.

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