Spiral Knights - Spiral Knights: Guide for defeating Jelly King (Detailed video and insightful for first-timers)

Spiral Knights: Guide for defeating Jelly King (Detailed video and insightful for first-timers)

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 23:18

Nomahd

Hello, everyone. This is my FIRST time ever posting on the forums (Honestly, I don't know if I'm posting in the right one, so sorry in advance).
I'd like some feedback on this tutorial. I enjoy this game, and I want others to excel and do as well as I do! I'd really love for this video to be the one that everyone refers to. In order to defeat the JK. Also, I was curious if this was good enough to be the one on the WIKI for the Jelly King as a tutorial!

VIDEO LINK HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iueQIf73YXI

BEFORE YOU WATCH PLEASE AT LEAST READ BELOW...

I worked on this video for about 3 days, editing and cutting and pasting. It was rather difficult to make it to my liking! However, putting that all aside! I think it is a VERY insightful guide for defeating the Jelly King.

Now, you might be asking yourself, "Why is mine difficult from the others on youtube?"

ANSWER: It puts all the information that one would have to read for about 30 minutes into a 4 minute video! :)

1. I show two types of knights that would work VERY well against the Jelly King. (Bomber and Swordsman working together)
2. Along with useful swords and their info.
3. Also, useful bombs and their info.
4. Useful vials and what they do against the Jelly King.
5. Along with the Jelly king's attacks! Yes, all of them and they are also in slow motion. Therefore, you will know when he is going to attack and when to block.
6. Annotations for more helpful insight in how I use some of the tips that I explain instead of writing them out!
7. Cliff-notes! In the description. (Yes, it's for those who want a guide along, in addition to the visual guide already given!)

Also, any constructive criticism is welcome. ( Don't be too harsh :D )

Thank you, nOmahd

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 01:22

Fradow

Good, but not great

This is a very good starting point for beginners, but there are, in my opinion, several mistakes :

- the number 1 tip should be : do not get hit. Seriously, this is the most important in all the game, JK is not an exception. Well, except if you do a zerg rush, but you'll probably die at least one time doing that.

- you have a full vog cub, as far as i can see. This is bad, take at least one part with piercing defense, it will reduce a lot the damage you take (yeah, even an ash tail one, that's what i am doing)

- same for shield : a piercing shield is advised (but will not make as much a difference than a piece with piercing defense, as you shield bump more than you actually shield hits).

- at the beginning, you shouldn't destroy the blocks with a bomb. You should have someone destroy ghost blocks, ideally with a gun, and all the other charge (especially Gran Faust if someone has one). This let a lot more space to avoid jellies.

- in the bomb section, you forgot Radiant Sun Shards. I don't know a lot about this bomb, but there have been some epic JK downs with it.

- I would advise to keep the vials for the end. Perhaps that's just me.

- perhaps you could mention that calibur (which will probably be the sword of choice for beginners) do more damage if you charge it than with regular attacks against JK, as all 3 charge hits will land.

- it's always good to clearly say that you should not focus on jellies, only on the boss. Jellies should be shield-bumped.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:02

Manliness

No offense, but why go

No offense, but why go through all the trouble of using bombs or regular sword attacks when Calibur/FoV charges do the job faster and make it safer? Run around, break blocks, avoid small jellies, wait for JK to attack then hit with a Calibur charge. Easy, no need to spam regular sword attacks JK and get hit by his adds, no additional support required (as the charge also provides knockback and DPS is high enough to do it even without vials). Of course there are other ways but why not just go with the fastest and easiest one? Sure, you can kill JK with Nitronome or RSS or even a Toxic Needle but why bother if it's just not as effective?
Of course there are people who prefer other ways, but I doubt they need guides in the first place.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:22

Nomahd

Fradow: - I seriously don't

Fradow:

- I seriously don't have to tell people to NOT get hit. That's common sense. If your able to get down to THAT level. You probably already know that. And, about the Zerg rush. Yes, if you Zerg rush... Yeah you'll die. lol Better with Terran. Zerg is more of a prolong game type style and the hardest to do. But, if mastered you'll beat a lot of people.

- If you looked closely. You would noticed I didn't have Vog.. I had FULL Ash Tail and my helm is blocking my head. My friend on the other hand.. He had full Vog, idk why. He just wanted to. :)

- The blocks is more of a whatever your used to. I have the luxury of standing and getting hit.. Why? Because it's HIGHLY unlikely that i'll get surrounded and killed.

- You know the bomber that was WITH me has Radian Sun Shards problem with trying to use that bomb.. is.. Well mob control. Most guys that I know that solo bomb the JK end up using the Ash of Agni, Nitronome, Venom Veiler.

-If you focus on the boss too much. I see a lot of noobs getting surrounded and getting popped off by three Jellies with piercing dmg that KO them in one hit. Trust me I carried a crap load of guild members and had to revive them doing this.

- I use the vials at the start, again a thing that your more comfortable with. I do at the start because trying to out DPS his heals is kinda crazy any sword damage etc.

However, all the points you make are valid! I'm just more comfortable with it this way! Thanks! =D

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:39

Nomahd

Manliness

Why am I going through all the trouble of using bombs or regular sword attacks? Because..

1. Not everyone has a Calibur. (Well, if you watched the video closely you'd noticed all my partners had something of the Calibur series)

2. I didn't use a FOV because well I didn't have one (I've been actually focusing on obtaining my blitz needle). The video is for NEW PLAYERS/NEWBIES. If your able to obtain a FOV then you need help killing the JK? You could go solo it, if you were able to kill Vanduke to obtain 40 tokens or buy it in the auction house.

3. Anything is easier said then done. A lot of guys with tier 3 guys and down still get demolished by that thing and die at least twice or 3 times. I'm not gonna repeat every possible sword combination in the video. That's just crazy. I STOOD in front of the JK to show how dumb it was, but it's still possible to beat him even doing that. My partner was usually the one that ran around and didn't get hit. (I don't even think he healed)

4. Alot of bombers can solo the Jelly King and having a team of bombers is BY FAR THE EASIEST WAY. The main weapon for NOT getting hit is the nitronome for the push back. And they have other stuff like status bombs. However, this is only smart to do if you have tier 3 bombs and up. The Radius is too small at the lower levels.

5. Yes there's others who prefer other ways, I tried to do the most common way people fight it. With RANDOM WEAPONS and RANDOM ARMOR my partner had mad bomber armor on and I had a ash tail coat. I didn't even specify what weapons he should use. He just brought whatever he was using at the time. He could have easily brought his full set of bombs, but I didn't want to show a way that wouldn't be useful for the new players, because that would cost a lot.

In all honesty, I used a DA. I had a hunting blade in my possesion at the time, that weapon is actually out DPSs my DA. (I did the math)

Thanks for the feedback! It's great!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:39

Bluescreenofdeath

A very nice well polished

A very nice well polished video. I do agree with some of the points mentioned though.

I would not tell newbies to "Land all of your vials at once." I agree that stacking different kinds of vials is a great way to speed up the fight (which I noticed is what you did). However, people are going to see that advice and just dump all of their vials at the JK at once and end up say hitting him with 3 poisons in a row which would be a total waste of the last 2. I think it would be better to advise people to not throw all of their vials at once, because it is critical to always have a way to put a status on the JK that will keep him/it from healing.

I agree with the advise of using a Calibur line sword for your vid. They are the most common newbie weapon and the charge is a great JK killer. I don't think I would use the reward sword in a how to video. Also, as long as I have vials (and I always do) I would take a Calibur line over a Brandish line to the RJP any day.

Tiny, tiny point. On the vials screen I would value Shock vials waaaay more then Stun vials for the JK. I noted it was absent as it should be from the recommend kit section, but you might make a specific point to tell players to ditch cure pills in favor of status vials.

Oh, and you might point out that the JK doesn't share the same weaknesses and immunities as his slime subjects. So, swords like the Acheron and GF only do extra damage on the little stuff. Also, you didn't mention the Acheron line, which is popular because of its potency on the little slimes and high DPS in general.

One other point you might stress more is the importance of keeping up the pressure on the JK and not getting bogged down fighting the little stuff. I think this is a common nubsteak to get distracted, all the while the JK is healing. Of course the flipside of this is the player that just runs up totally headless of his surrounding and just starts hacking. This player will die, but he is slightly less worthless to me than the guy off in the corner trying to kill of of the never ending jellies...

I'll say it again. I really liked your video & looks very well done. When you are satisfied with it, I think you should put a link to it on the JK's wiki page.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:00

Skaiwalka

I enjoyed the video, it was

I enjoyed the video, it was really nicely put together. I have to agree with the suggestions mentioned though.
And I definitely vote on a mention of the Acheron line. I was solo'ing JK/Palace just with a Silent Nightblade for the longest time.

Good job on the video my friend, I'm sure it will help a lot of new comers.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:16

Nomahd

Thanks everyone!

Hey guys! Thanks a lot! I'll try to add this stuff to the commentary!

Also, commenting on the video with your in-game name gives you the chance to win 100CE! =D

On another note..

Bluescreenofdeath:

"Land all of your vials at once." I just realized that... I'll take note of that!
"Shock vials waaaay more then Stun vials for the JK" I didn't know that.
"You might point out that the JK doesn't share the same weaknesses and immunities as his slime subjects." Oh man forgot that one!
"Acheron line" I'll HAVE to look into that one! Sadly, it would be FAR to difficult to just add these things into the video. I'll have to edit it into the annotations.

"I'll say it again. I really liked your video & looks very well done. When you are satisfied with it, I think you should put a link to it on the JK's wiki page."

I'd LOVE to do that but have no idea how.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:23

Fraxur

Really nice video and this

Really nice video and this will help a lot of players.

Here are the videos with Radiant Sun Shards and FoV:
FoV (16 sec): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXoQ8odFb8
RSS (61 sec): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV8qHn9bOlE
RSS (46 sec): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3fOvskjR7I

I would like to point out something, when JK goes berserk, he is invincible and there is no point to try to attack him or throw him a vial.

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Spiral Knights: Guide for defeating Jelly King (Detailed video and insightful for first-timers)