Spiral Knights - Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus

Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus

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Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:32

#51

Memento

YES

THIS MUST HAPPEN!
/caps

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 13:01

#52

Happyapathy

We all want this

Happyapathy:
"I support +1"

*Turns gunslinger hat around*

Apathyhappy:
"The devs must do this!"

*puts on cobalt helm*

knightguy12412:
"I like this idea +1"

*puts on assortment of poorly chosen equipment"

goku-naruto:
"teh devs sud d0 th1s cuz iz c00l omg lol!!1!!!1!"

*puts on virulisk helmet*

Grievos:
- I wonder

*crowd appears*

Everyone:
"Go away you"

*puts on top hat and monocle*

Baron-von-snobbenjerk:
"Mmm yesssh, I do quite like this proposition, much better then the common prattle I hear from those dirty commoners hmmmm"

*puts on astronaut helmet"

Neal-strongarm:
"that would be one small step for the devs, one giant leap for SK"

SEE all of these people approve of this idea!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:57

#53

Bacon-Strip

We already don't have enough

We already don't have enough gunners.

MOAR DIVERSITY.

Don't wanna see just swords all day.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:16

#54

Kennyn

Gunners needs the change. Always have been a little underpowered.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:26

#55

Focksey

Agreed

I support this change.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:36

#56

Irenarch

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:36

#57

Gwenyvier

I whole heartedly support

I whole heartedly support this. Or adding a new T3 boss and having the token items being a Gunner armor set with med damage on each piece and no negatives status resists (and some new guns and bombs would be nice too :p).

+1!!!!

~Gwen

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:49

#58

Arquebus

-1

I'm a pure gunner, but I don't think this is necessary. Gunners have the longest reach and the most ways to avoid damage in a game where skill means not getting hit. The limiting factor for this advantage is that guns don't do much damage, so enemies have longer to get to you, and even that's been eroded by Pulsars.

As it stands now, I can survive combats that the swordies and bombers in my party get maimed or die in, while augmenting their damage and sniping difficult enemies. That gives them more health to survive the next combat, and the next, and the next. I'm pretty much responsible for my party's energy efficiency, and that's an extremely powerful thing. Doing all that AND killing enemies twice as fast doesn't seem like a wise thing to allow people to do.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:11

#59

Rubyeclipse

Arquebus - The difference

Arquebus - The difference here is that this change wouldn't make gunners kill enemies twice as fast. Nowhere near it. Two points I'd like you to consider:

1: The total damage increase for a gunner (wearing both pieces) would be ~14%.
2: MAX Damage as a gunner is already entirely possible. If you're worried about this being overpowered, you can test it yourself right now and view the damage numbers to see that the difference isn't very large at all.

Any melee swordsman with max damage and a little skill can rip through enemies far faster than a gunner with max damage, and with proper shielding, can do so without getting hurt. Again, I do encourage you to try this now (using Shadowsun + trinkets) and note that even though the "bonus" is doubled, the actual damage percentages are only increased about 14%.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:27

#60

Psychodestroyer

/shrug

I dunno, I'm not a gunner. I just came to lol at Happyapathy.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:00

#61

Sushh

+1, even thought I am not a gunner. I see your point, and I say it's only fair.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 14:19

#62

Aecarus

I can vouch for such an update. (+1)

While I'm not much of a Gunner (or Bomber), and lack experience therein, I can vouch for such an update - because of the obvious imbalance. It seems odd that one sibling of the Gunner Sets would fall out of place, and so awkwardly. Given that my Peacemaker already has a sufficient Speed Boost, I may actually be tempted to try out a Gunner build if only there an appropriate were a Set to match it. ;)

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 15:13

#63

Slayzz

+ 1/2 I think, instead of

+ 1/2
I think, instead of changing the damage bonus, thy could flip the resistance bars. Think about it; gunners do ranged damage, giving them a very low chance to be hit. Swordies, on the other hand, get close to their enemies. Because of this, they need a higher damage bonus in order to kill the enemies before they die. This reason makes comparisons between gunner armor and sword armor implausible. Medium damage bonus is all that is needed for guns;
Ex: say you are fighting a troll zombie, where nothing cancels it's attacks. If you are gunner, you can just spam that polaris while kiting it until it dies. You might be doing relatively low damage, but your chances of getting hit by the troll zombie are next to none (for an decent gunner). A Swordie, however, has no choice but to get up in the troll zombies face and slash it until it dies. Due to the proximity of the fight, though, the Swordie has a much greater chance of getting hit.
Point? Damage bonus VH on a gunner armor set would be OP. Imagine this in PvP too. If you have an umbra driver and a VH damage bonus, you have a portable Gran Faust.
I suggest keeping the damage bonus low, OR POSSIBLY making one piece med CTR, and the other med DMG.
The one thing I really want to get this set changed are the reistances. 8 points negative resist to poison and curse is ridiculous. Flip the bars to the positive side, and you got a gunner UFSC /UGWW set.
Basically:
No VH DMG bonus for this armor set. Alternate possibility- Med gun DMG bonus on one piece, and med CTR on the other.
Flip resistance bars so each piece has VH resist to both poison and curse.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 21:28

#64

Shuichi

Hmm..

/Shout "WE NEED MORE FIRE POWER!!!"

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 21:31

#65

Happyapathy

Aim, target...

BOOM! BUMP SHOT!

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 21:22

#66

Rangerwillx

Keep the support coming.

As the great Happyapathy once said:
"BOOM! BUMP SHOT!"

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 23:04

#67

Nova-Royal

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 23:11

#68

Quotefanboy

To anyone who saids "VH is OP" all I can say is "Trinkets"

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 23:21

#69

Grenze

+1 Also to those who say it's

+1
Also to those who say it's overpowered to have Very High on a set.
Then here's a list.
Skolver Set
Snarbolax Set
Gunslinger
Demo Suit Set
Vog Cub

All of these are overpowered then. Oh by the way most of these if not all of them basically have no negatives, no negative defense, yes less then high defense but no negatives.

Now let's look at the Wiki for the Shadowsun.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Shadowsun_Slicker

One piece has half a bar of negative of poison and curse and before you say that doesn't really matter, it does considering that Vog Cub gets FULL FIRE with whole set and Skolver gets FULL ICE resistance with no negatives and the set gives very high.

Logic Argument, say it's OP all you want you are basically saying 2 + 2 = 5.

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 03:50

#70

Xakepa

I'm not a gunner, however i

I'm not a gunner, however i entirely support this.
Oh, and please, please. PLEASE FOR GODS SAKE, do something about the Chaos set. I mean it. Really. It's ridiculous.

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 06:57

#71

Round-Shinigami

I agree!

I agree, gunner armor's Low damage bonus certainly could use a bump up to Med.
It'd be also nice to have a shield with damage bonus for guns, so I can use trinkets to get either gun CTR or gun ASI. Or extra health. Or extra resists. Or sword bonuses.

Currently there isn't much gear that helps gunners as much as it helps swordsmen (skolver, snarbolax, vog, 3 sets that basically cover every boss made up to this moment).

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:46

#72

Rangerwillx

'Bout time...

..to bump this.. :3

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:57

#73

Severage

Reasons to use Gunners/Swords/Bombs...

PvP:

Swords: Murders things pretty epicly. Take a Gran Faust and Final Flourish/Barbarous Thorn Blade as a Striker and everyone is screwed.

Bombs: Camp around with sustained effects all over you with the above swordsman and you win.

Guns: .............................................................................................Polaris?

PvE:

Swords: Pretty serious damage. If you want things to die fast, use these.

Bombs: Assistance, as usual. Keep enemies frozen in their tracks or burn all the ice jellies down to water.

Guns: ..................Kiting?

I'm Severage and I approve this message, because it's the least gunners should get.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:58

#74

Alice-In-Pyroland

+1 support

It's sad how in the current state of things gunners are better off with damage vs x armours than they are with their own 'themed' sets. Shadowsun desperately needs a buff, and honestly it would be nice if Nameless or Justifier gave CTR instead of ASI so there would be gunner armours for each bonus. That and the hats seriously need updated art so they actually look different.

But yeah back to the point, give Shadowsun Med Dmg per piece or at least another bonus alongside Dmg.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 14:09

#75

Nacho

Yeah

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 09:18

#76

Rangerwillx

(The mad bumper has struck again.)

Page one hear I come!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:16

#77

The-Rawrcake

@Rangerwill, "As the great

@Rangerwill, "As the great Happyapathy once said:
"BOOM! BUMP SHOT!""

As the great Happyapathy once said:
"Bumper Sticker"

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:18

#78

The-Rawrcake

oh and +1 We do indeed need

oh and +1

We do indeed need the change

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:53

#79

Hmmnm

+1
OOO hates gunners... forget armor, gunners cant even use the autogun line, our main damage dealer, in pvp.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 21:25

#80

Rangerwillx

(The mad bumper has struck again!)

Do-de-do, nothing to see here.

Sun, 01/15/2012 - 00:02

#81

Imperialstriker

I may not gun much

But I see the point in this. Shadowsun is probably the most blatantly underpowered armor out there. I rarely see armors that give so little benefit for so much trouble.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:44

#82

Rangerwillx

(The mad bumper has struck again!)

Page one here it comes!

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 12:41

#83

Chronovore

Just thought I'd weigh in

Just thought I'd weigh in with my opinion here:
It makes absolutely no sense to limit the Shadowsun to a low damage bonus alongside the other drawbacks it has. I fully support increasing the damage bonuses on the Shadowsun pieces to medium.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:54

#84

Rangerwillx

(The mad bumper has struck again!)

*cough*

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:36

#85

Rangerwillx

(The mad bumper has struck again!)

Well done if you know what I'm referring in in my subject.
Two words, Charlie Brown.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:26

#86

Hmmnm

Can I add another 9000 to

Can I add another 9000 to this?

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 20:01

#87

Iapnez

I support this... Currently

I support this... Currently the best gunner set I have is Arcane Salamander while using two trueshots, then using my callahan with Fiend Medium, and Argent with Construct Medium... That's Max damage with guns against EVERY class... with two guns. And still, the DPS hardly compares to swords. You get to kite and shoot. That's the only advantage. Bring along a BTS with a couple swords and it renders my gunner set obsolete. ._. I think Gunners really should get shown some love. It's the least OOO could do.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 22:56

#88

Diamondshreddie

im a bomber

im a bomber and i know for a fact that gunners are lacking, and also EITHER .. normal weapons need a big hitch to make them an option over special damage, or ... i don't know.. BUT i do agree with the whole gunner buff, also i think they should get gun-puppy themed shadow lair gear! that would be super kewl

mmhm! rectify the injustice! and what not ... relinquish the havens of the game with mass wolves clones, for them being too good of an option! ... umm ... YAAH .. ok imma shut up nao

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 05:59

#89

Gunnerific

med damgebonus for shadowsun (maybe 2* gunslinger?)

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Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus