Im thinking of getting the toxic catalyzer line to go with my freezing vappy line.
ive had lotsa support 4 dis but i wanna make sure ;)
i have: elemtal cloak+elemental cap; upgradingg to owlite cloak and cap.
Brute jelly shield going to royal jelly shield
2* freezing vappy going to(methinks) shivermist buster
blaster, changing to(methinks) toxic catalyzer line.
Any reccomendations?
flames and constuctive comments welcome.
P.S im NOT looking any swords.
I'm not good for gear advice, but is that all you're using, just two weapons? Because that's nowhere near enough to deal with all situations. A shadow only gun means you're going to be very ineffective if you come across undead or fiends, and worse still if its a freeze stratum, I am aware you can avoid freeze, but if it randomly comes up, that means you're down to one weapon.
I'd also imagine this will be very tough to pull off fighting in beast stratums, wolvers will probably dodge the heck out of that catalyzer, and yes I'm aware you plan on a shivermist, but if you're not going to get any CTR on it by wearing bomber armor or having UVs, you are in for some veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow fights.
I also question that shield choice, but I'm no one to give advice about that since I use cookie cutter owlite with a side of blackened crest.
If you're going with two weapon types, you're going to need more weapon slots.
You don't need them right now, but by the time you hit Tier 3 you're going to.
The only problem with overlapping Guns and Bombs is that the most effective weapons of either type are Elemental, so balancing out your weapons so you can take one of every type of damage while remaining properly effective will be difficult.
I would definitely go with a bomber set for this, supported by trinkets for your Guns (if you can get them), but guns don't really need Trinkets or UVs since they're basically just for stalling the majority of the time. And to help you kill Gun Puppies with very minimal risk to yourself, which is pretty much the most annoying thing for bombers to do.
You'll probably find that your solo runs are very slow, but in a party you'll be a pretty great asset if you're in there with spam-clicking swordies.
For weapons, I can't really recommend anything since it all comes down to preference, but you'll probably end up trying them all out to find your groove anyway.
Guns are not just for stalling; Surely you don't get the same damage per shot as with a swing of a sword, but if you are accurate enough you can get roughly the same dps* from the relative safety of the distance you can put between you and your target - meaning that you mostly dodge, not shield and you're constantly shooting at the mobs.
The only problem is people going "meh" when you appear in the terminal wearing a full gunslinger set and when they knock away your target with their charged sword attacks.
On topic: Consider going for the Shadowtech Alchemer line, unless you want that chance of poisoning the target. The projectiles are going faster, so you have better chance to hit your target before it moves (or get knocked away by someone else). I do have the virulent catalyzer, and blowing up charges is fun, but in a party of swordies you won't really get to do that very often. Or, you can get both, try them out side by side, and decide what you like best.
On the bomb, freezing the final mob wave in the arena isn't really heplfull when the rest try to kite them around because you disrupt the group, and when someone passes by a frozen mob, the mob can (and will!) hit them (ouch). Fire and poison works so much better in this siutuation. In FSC, in regular levels (except freeze-themed strata), and when solo-ing, shivermist buster is great. So go for it, but be careful when using it in an arena.
[*] I haven't done any sort of test, but it feels like I take the same time to kill a jelly in stratum 5 with a virulent catalyzer as it would have taken to do it with a silent nightblade. Same with a lumber and a cryo driver vs blazebrand .
I was origonaly attracted to the catalyzer line, and im thinking of sticking with it.
but i need to know is if i should go for toxic/industial.
im keeping my armor and shield; im attracted to stuff most people dont use, liek i HATE wolver beacuse every1 looks liek clones.
i might get a bomber armor and change my robes to asthetic. they need a costume shield slot!!!!
i need to know what other of bomb i should get and wat bomber armor o should get.
maybe a decon? angry bomb? nitronome? id liek a damage bomb next.
P.S i rarly party in partys, so im molding my gear that way and my mouse is laggy with swords so half the swing is a charge with calibur, dont know with others.
Fire is really really nice. I can solo all of the JK run, sans JK himself, with a firebomb alone.
if you're gearing yourself for JK runs and am happy with a support role in a group, just do 2 bombs. The toxic catalyzer is nice too.
If you're going to do damage bombs, do a Blast Bomb and a Pinecone bomb. The pinecone is basically free after 4 Snarbolax kills, and it's got about the same damage levels as the blast bomb, only piercing and no knockback. Not good for JK, but good for undead and fleshies.
If you're not going to build a demo set, you should probably not dabble in bombs. It's a painful truth, but unless you can get all your bombs with charge time reduction, you'll get owned during charge.
I personally would not mix guns and bombs. They're both things you use when the enemy is out of sword range. It's fine to get one of each of you have 4 slots, however, or for specific things, like FSC runs.
Gunshots don't deal much damage anyways. Since you'll need to hit enemies repeatedly with charge shots for the catalyzer to be effective, maybe you should mix it with a vortex or stun bomb.
Also, this belongs in the Arsenal forum.
I can deal with every situation with two weapons. Angelic + drake. All four defense. low posin and curse ressist. Bonus for beasts and feinds. Use a elemental weapon and a shadow weapon. You don't need a peircing becuase you have the beast and feind bonuses.
I was origonaly attracted to the catalyzer line, and im thinking of sticking with it.
but i need to know is if i should go for toxic/industial.
If you want an all-around sidearm, industrial which does normal damage. Otherwise, the toxic catalyzer does shadow damage, so if you can cover the enemies that are resistant to shadow with another weapon, go for it.
i have an:
Electron vortex
Blaster
Fiery vappy
Freezing vappy
Haze vappy
SpineCone
that should give some ideas ;)
P.S i check 3 times a day, onece before school, once after school and just be4 i go to bed, just to tell any1 dat is interested
im actually thinking of when i have 4 slots of having:
Biohazard
Ash Of Agni
Shivermist Buster
Nitronome/Big Angry Bomb/Heavy Decon/Heavy Irontech.
1st of all don't go nitro/BAB/heavy D/heavy irontech. Go Nitro. The difference between nitronome and the other bombs is similar to the difference between the Divine avenger and Avenger O.o It's just that superior (almost).
On a side note: Few people know the joy of going into an arena and using this rotation do decimate it. Ash of agni->volt tempest->Venom Veiler-->AoA-->VT-->VV repeat. It helps that my AoA is construct VH, and VV is construct high. But this 3 bomb rotation decimates arenas soooo quick and is so rewarding :D The DoT's last just long enough that u will always have them on the enemies. And constructs have the perfect walk speed to almost always get hit by the miniscule blast damage on the elemental haze bomb lines. It's so great <3
If you're not going to build a demo set, you should probably not dabble in bombs.
But you said CTR was good. Enter: Bomb Focus Module! I've been living with CTR med for so long with Fiery and Toxic Atomizer on my alt's swords+bomb setup. Haven't upgraded them bombs though...
I can agree with a slightly different version of the statement though:
If you're not going to build a demo set, you should probably not dabble in "damage" bombs (e.g. Nitro, DBB).
What is used most:
Neutralizer OR Biohazard
Im also attracted to things most people dont use, so if any1 has something they dont c often, pls tell.
My alt (sword+bomb though) has only two bombs: fire and poison. They are good against arenas.
The poison bomb is decent now as it lets the enemy healers kill off their own cohorts since they fixed it. I like the poison one for arenas and JK, but I'd grab the fire one in case of a Venom Fang arena.
So I assume you are using 1 gun and all bombs.
1. I don't think you should pick shadow as your gun though, since it could be bad when you run into Howlitzers. At least it destroys arenas. If you like the mechanics of the catalyzer, you can look into building the normal version too to handle fiend and undead strata and arenas.
2. Eventually you can look into getting a set of status bombs. Usually people like the Fiery Vaporizer line for damage, and think the Toxic Vaporizer is pretty much low priority. Shivermist will be very useful someday (read: Firestorm Citadel) so you should definitely have that.
3. Shield... jelly shield is not bad a piercing shield, you can also look into Owlite for when you are going to hit the Ironclaw Munitions Factory or... wait for it... Firestorm Citadel.
Finally, this thread may be moved to the arsenal.