I read the Spiral Wiki before posting this and it says that piercing weapons work well against Lord Vanaduke. The way my arsenal is right now I have a couple of options towards making a Vanaduke-run specific gun and would like to know what everyone's preference was before I spend the ton of CE it would cost to make them. I have between the Callahan, Argent Peacemaker, Sentenza, Blitz Needle, or even Volcanic Pepperbox to choose from. Which would work best and why?
Ideal Vanaduke Gun?
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 02:28
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 03:39
#2
There are really 2 options
There are really 2 options :
- the easy one is Argent Peacemaker. It will do less damage, but is very easy to handle and works well on everything in FSC.
- the hard one is Blitz Needle. It will do more damage, but is difficult to handle (you have to charge to be effective, and it roots you in place for a moment). It is a little less effective vs Zombies (no bonus damage), but there isn't any resistant monster, save the very few jellies.
Callahan is a big no, it is outclassed by Blitz Needle for damage, and Argent Peacemaker is easier to use.
Sentenza is outclassed by Argent Peacemaker, because of damage type.
Volcanic Pepperbox is outclassed by Blitz Needle, because of damage type again.
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 04:06
#3
^Blitz isn't actually less
^Blitz isn't actually less effective against zombies, a single Blitz charge does more than two full clips of a peacemaker against them. Plus they're some of the slowest enemies in the game which means they're a perfect example of enemy where the added mobility of the peacemaker is essentially a non-factor.
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 04:22
#4
Ok, I was under the
Ok, I was under the impression it was weaker on Zombies than it actually is.
For a few zombies, it's okay, but when there are a lot (I am thinking of the those arena like areas), Blitz become a lot harder to use, and doesn't have any significant AoE (opposed to Polaris for example). And for Vanaduke, the root of Blitz makes it hard to use (not impossible, just harder than AP).
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 07:49
#5
blitz on zombies sounds good
blitz on zombies sounds good on paper, but once you realize you can only do massive damage to one at a time, you'd go back to swords.
i personally use polaris. takes over 20 mintues, but eventually he goes down and i get his delicious seals.
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 08:40
#6
The same could be said of any
The same could be said of any gun though so that's not really an argument against blitz given the thread topic.
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 09:49
#7
For a party with Shivermist
For a party with Shivermist Buster - Blitz Needle
Solo or party without a Shivermist Buster - Argent Peacemaker
Wed, 10/05/2011 - 19:53
#8
Solo?
for solo i recommend polaris better though. you'll survive more.
i tried solo before with argent, pretty hard in ambush room.
but with polaris, suddenly it's very easy.
well, you should know the reason why, the knock back of polaris, and elemental damage. (all enemy di fsc weak to elemental and pierce, except jelly)
basically, solo fsc down to killing vana, you only need polaris and blitz.
Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:59
#9
For Solo: AP / Polaris
For
For Solo: AP / Polaris
For Team: Blitz
For Solo with Shivermist: Blitz
Blitz outdamages every other gun ingame. Its laughtable if you say that the AP (100 damage to undead per shot) deals more damage than Blitz Needle (180 with charge) to undead :D
AP ~ 12 shots in that time: 1200
Blitz Charge 15 shots: 2700
AP just has mobility - good weapon to play on time.
Fri, 10/07/2011 - 17:23
#10
Thanks for the tips. I'll get
Thanks for the tips. I'll get to work on the Blitz Needle and the Peacemaker. I would spring for Polaris but my computer doesn't like to run smoothly in the Ironclaw factory, I usually get lag-missiled to death before I know what happened, and I'd rather not spend 40k on an item and work my way up when i'm almost there with two other viable weapon lines.
Blitz Needle is by a large margin, it deals an extremely large amount more damage than any of the other guns you might want to use against Vanaduke, and more or less any other gun in the game period on anything that doesn't resist piercing. In Firestorm Citadel especially where nearly all of the enemies are slow and full of opening to unload Blitz charges onto, it one shots trojans in parties of 3 or less (And even in parties of 4 with damage bonsues) and perhaps most importantly it works well in conjunction with the vast majority of weapons you'll see other players using in FSC like Shivermist, Vortex, Brandish line swords, ect. It even shoots through barriers if you're the sort of person who wishes to abuse exploits. Against Vanaduke himself it consistently hits him regardless of how many fireballs are surrounding him and does an extremely large amount of damage while doing so, and again works with Shivermist and other weapons you may see used in a party.
I could go on but really just go on Youtube, look up just any Vana run done in 2-8 minutes and you'll see that just about all of them involve Blitz Needle. Peacemaker is perhaps safer due to the mobility, but the huge loss in damage means you're much worse off in the long run. As for the Callahan and Sentenza, neither one are really viable for Vanaduke since the Callahan has difficulty hitting him consistently in phase 5 and isn't great throughout FSC as a whole and the Sentenza is useless in FSC and will do the least damage of all the listed guns aganst vana himself.