So, a striker (lowest hp) wielding a gun (lowest damage toughest logistics) is concerned about dealing with the fastest, longest range sword in the match coupled with the quickest moving class?

That's not imbalance (not saying you said it was), it's the epitome of balance. In some situations you are simply going to be outclassed and that's why it is a cooperative team game.

Apologies for not offering the input you were seeking. I just wanted to use the opportunity to point out how this scenario illustrates a balanced system at work.

@Debianlinux but flourish seems to deal damage before the attack animation even starts and can hit far away targets( i don't notice this with BTB even if they are the same). That's not the epitome of balance it's a WTF!?!?!.

My 'strategy' is to spam pulsar and pray for shock to interrupt him.

hi i use acheron, combuster, levi and viliance in pvp (3x sword and gun)
skilled striker with piercing sword can be deadly so i use skolver set to get piercing armor. they strategy are offten: charge, quick one slash (the slash interupt your slash) and then dodge.
u can beat this guy when u slash before him.. start hold block and attack when hes charge (dont wait for his attack) its hard and u must time your attacks precisely, but i almost always beat piercing sword guys with acheron.

striker with gun is easy if he must come close to u.. so just stand on the platform and kill him. if hes dont come to platform u win, cause u get more points. when i chase strikers with guns they always run from mee..

True, I was more using a "mirror-match" approach, but that opening is still there for medium-speed weapons. Though if you have any lag, that opening goes right out the window.

But make no mistake, I never claimed balance at all in my posts about LockDown.

"(the other quickstriking swords aren't nearly as bad for some reason...)"

yea, the other "quick striking swords" doesn't shoot you forward like the FF/BTB. you're basically meleeing with a range rivaling an alchemer.

@above Flourish is in fact overpowered so there's no need for discussion; anyone who remarks otherwise doesn't truly understand the mechanics of PvP. The animation is bugged and the damage output is additionally excessive. OOO, however, cares little for game balance because it's not a top priority to make money. First would come updates which beseech more players into buying CE, and next would come content updates to allow people to stay with the game (fighting boredom). Balance is not something that would bring them much profit; the profit that they need to continue the game. I do not state that balance will never occur: it simply will occur at an extremely slower rate. Again, it's not a priority, and a smaller game development company such as OOO MIGHT not have all of the resources to focus on all of the in-the-work updates as well as game balance.

For the time being, the only solution is to get a Barb or Flourish yourself. The same goes for everything else in the current meta-game of PvP. If it's overpowered, you should get one yourself to counter it. It's a sad truth, yes, but a truth nonetheless.

Use a staggerstorm or Callahan. A striker that's stunned runs approximately the same speed as a normal knight. While boosting. Yeah, that's terrible for them.

And almost all ASI is lost when stun takes effect. Ever seen someone with a BTB that's stunned? It's reminiscent of a Granfaust with 0 ASI.

Projectiles generally cancel from charge attacks due to animation lag and it turns those final flourish users into big slow moving targets that your team mates tear into.

It's not a small portion, it's a universal fact of SK. Asking anyone will most usually produce the response and agreement that, yes, FF and barb are overpowered. It doesn't need meta-discussion. They are so simply and obnoxiously overpowered that one can understand it at first sight.

-Fixing an animation bug isn't a blind nerf, in addition. It's a bugfix.

Feedmefire, you're right. I meant the advice to cover most and general Flourish users, but not the good ones. Against those, the advice against those has to be physically taught.

Also, let me say this again because it was repeated:

Flourish animations are not bugged.

*GASP* You gave away my strategy of Attack -> Boost -> Attack
Or, against a shielded guardian: Attack -> Circle --> Attack

And with vhigh asi & dmg --> delicious delicious pokage.

Why you gotta do that???

I find a lower ping is the best way to counter it. I find I constantly lose to people of the same build and skill who have lower ping. (Or is it higher? whichever gives them the ability to hit me further than I can hit them)

As far as countering:

- Stay far away. Use your polaris strategically.
- If they aren't full skolver --> Shiver time!
- If they are full skolver --> Wish you had a volatic
- If you're recon --> invisible and hope they lose interest. Go CAP somewhere else.
- If you're striker --> Run away. You should be able to move away before they can hit you.
- Spin madly, confusing them from understanding what your'e going to do. This works best if you have a GF/DA since they'll have no idea where you may swing. (I have never tried this)
- Swing in one direction with a GF/DA, baiting them to attack your back, then swing the other way --> This still owns me and I only adjust when I know someone does this
- Wait for them to use up their booster, then hit them.
- Wait for support and find some meaningful way to make him use their booster up.
- Wait for your flourish vog/skolver striker teammate to come out and poke him to death.

Also, I have full skolver, a full damage FF/BTB will 2HKO me too (or was it 3, but still, very few.)

I told you swords were better. :P

Hahaha but anyways feed as a striker flourish player who's kicked your ass plenty of times :D I'd suggest not going tank but playing around with dmg/asi gunner armor (whatever the names of it are) and strong single shot like Callahan. And then going recon instead of your traditional annoying striker :P works wonder still have to take care of range but the one powerful shot from are and then back up. Rinse/repeat. It's annoying for strikers since you can't cap a point with a gunner letting lose but at re same time running of to try and play around with a recon is time consuming with mixed results. To summarize: waste striker time and delay capture of points. Hard to find/kill if you get used to recon/ decent dps output

When you figure this out chat me up and I'll still whoop your ass ;D

-- Cobriliant

Three ways of doing it:

1) Use a flourish type weapon, predict where they will strike and counter-attack before they get there. I can imagine this is very, very hard if you have lag of any kind.
2) Use a flourish type weapon, predict where they will strike and sidestep. They have a small opening after the second attack. If they blow their second attack then unload a two-hit combo from behind them. Then, immediately boost away. Again, this is difficult with lag of any kind.
3) Bombs. Specifically Shock or Stun bombs.

You're a gunner? Make sure you always have a someone with you. Let your teammate tank. Pure gunners should never be alone in lockdown.

You don't even need to outrun a flourish user, if you die, you get a free teleport far far away where they can't hurt you anymore :D

In my grasp of the situation, it seems you and your loadouts are a poor matchup against flourish users. Think of it as a scissors against rock scenario; you can't win because everything about these people were made to kill you. You're basically a Flourish user with pure Piercing damage trying to take on a Jelly Danger Room. You might win with superb strategy/skill, but it won't be easy without help.

In other words, Flourish Strikers> Gunslingers such as yourself.

You're going to need some kind of Freeze Driver or what have you, try to him once, freeze him, and unload your best guns on him, or count on someone's help to keep that guy distracted or status effected.

If not, you're definitely going to need to change your game plan if you're going to fight Flourish users.

Psh, it's more fun to kill nearly incapacitated people. Freeze them with shiver, Charge up a faust. If they don't defend shadow, just use the recon effect.