Spiral Knights - Got Antigua. Which upgrade path? (Unbiased view please)

Got Antigua. Which upgrade path? (Unbiased view please)

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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:35

Australiumfish

Yeah, I recently got the Antigua, after killing the Jelly King for the nth time.

And so I am faced with two things. Firstly, my new gun is awesome. Secondly, which way should I upgrade it?

I am looking for an unbiased view of the advantages and disadvantages of both paths. I got enough of 'You should totally get the peacemaker, the sentenza is crap!' and various other things.

So I came to here, so that I might get a really good view of both.

Remember, I want the overview to be totally unbiased. Totally. No 'X is the best and Y sucks'.

Did I mention I want an unbiased view?

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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:40

Goldmaker

Sentenza for PvP and AP for

Sentenza for PvP and AP for "ONLY" FSC...

Really Antigua lines are "Very situational"

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48

Somenubcake

Goldmaker + 1

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:34

Glowing-Ember

Goldmaker is correct.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:36

Zealousd

Honestly I found Sentenza

Honestly I found Sentenza pretty crap for PVP too. I don't think it does enough damage.

Really, the reason people hate Sentenza is that it's only decent against Wolvers and Gremlins and sucks at everything else. And really, if you want something to help you kill wolvers and gremlins there are better weapons, like Dark Briar Barrage.

AP used to be king of FSC but Blitz Needle got buffed and Polaris came to town so it's really more like the 3rd best FSC gun now. However it's still really nice when you're dealing with devilites and I think it's probably the best gun for those little buggers. Very fast bullets and you can still dodge their crap easily, unlike Blitz or Callahan.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:37

Sol-Xii

Those pesky Devilites.

Sentenza is mostly good for beasts/gremlins. Argent is for fiends/undead. The only reason why people use AP more though is because there aren't very many gremlin/beasts at the same time unlike in FSC. They're both very good guns, but like Goldmaker said, very situational because of the split damage.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:40

Zealousd

The gremlin/beast combo use

The gremlin/beast combo use to be pretty common during the old danger rooms, but even then people really didn't care for Sentenza.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:34

Flists

Gremlins and Wolvers dodge.

Gremlins and Wolvers dodge. And Gremlins and Wolvers are the only two monsters that the Sentenza does bonus damage against.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:58

Australiumfish

Thanks everyone!

Ok, since I dont do pvp too much, and I really hate devilites, I think Ill go for the AP line.

Thanks for the help!

+1 to all of you.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 04:19

Abathur

You will not hit devilites

You will not hit devilites with AP. They're laught at you, uploading some lags with theis insane office abilities and you get pwned by the ... CHAIR!!!!

Sentenza will hit gremlins perfectly and has a potent crow control.

Seriosly - if you need somethign against gremlins, devilites and beasts - Callahan is you friend (magnus).

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 06:02

#10

Synkronos

"Very situational"

lol@Goldmaker's very thinly disguised 'they're rubbish, all of them' ^_^

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 06:35

#11

Vescrit

You will not hit devilites with AP.

Lies and slander, of course they dodge, but you have to work around their dodging, like only taking shots right after they dodge because they usually wait a second before doing so again.

Of course this strategy needs patience. Its helped me when my teammates got CHAIR'D to death.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 21:12

#12

Zealousd

"You will not hit devilites

"You will not hit devilites with AP"

Yes you will. Maybe you won't hit the one you were aiming for on the very first shot, but you'll possibly hit the buddy next to him or hit him on the second shot. Blitz Needle and Callahan will put you in more danger since they briefly root you and it takes longer to shield cancel. AP may not be the fastest way to kill devilites, but I think it's close to the safest.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 00:03

#13

Abathur

Antigua vs Wolver /

Antigua vs Wolver / Devilites:
hit, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, hit, miss, miss, ...

And due dealing really crappy damage, a Magnus (Callahan) will outdamage them by far.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 01:42

#14

Batabii

There is no jelly king. Maybe

There is no jelly king. Maybe you're thinking of the Royal Jelly.

Anyway people brag about AP being great in FSC, but you shouldn't consider a weapon based solely on a single boss stratum.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 03:54

#15

Stavrosg

@Abathur: Kiting around an

@Abathur: Kiting around an arena, almost every shot lands. and the AP/Sentenza's mobility is far safer than callahan/autogun's shooting style.
Granted, I'll never change my mega magnus (Callahan, once I find the recipe) when venturing into a wolver den, but I can find uses for the antigua line weapons and I believe they deserve a spot in someone's arsenal.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 22:21

#16

Zealousd

"Antigua vs Wolver /

"Antigua vs Wolver / Devilites:
hit, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, hit, miss, miss, ...

And due dealing really crappy damage, a Magnus (Callahan) will outdamage them by far."

1.) Your aim is bad.
2.) Even if your Callahan outdamages the AP, the lack of mobility with the gun means you're going to do far worse dodging office supplies.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:31

#17

Mistbotone

wolvers

for wolvers, this one little trick makes fighting them a whole lot easier. if you shoot a wolver, 90 percent of the time they pop up directly behind you. this makes fighting them a piece of cake. for the argument between AP and sentenza, it depends on what bosses you run. AP is obviously better for FSC, but sentenza deals normal damage at jk. its also pretty good at the snarby, but if your good enough to get a sentenza your probably not going to be doing snarbolax a whole lot. for the shadow lair update, I'm guessing a lot of enemies there have shadow resistance, considering the levels are called "shadow" lairs. (no duh) all in all, like goldmaker stated way up there, it depends on where you are and what bosses you enjoy. however, if you are really patient you could possibly get both (like i am doing)

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