Not the grey owlite shield of course, let's talk about the armor.
Normal+elemental defense plus fire+shock resist, how is that bad, come to think of it?
It's like you lose only sword and bomb bonuses when compared to the competing sets, trading those for a shock resist. I note that in FSC, shock hardly matters, but knights get shocked in all arenas.
EDIT: WHOOPS, meant Grey FEATHER Set. Fix'd.
I'm sorry, but what the heck is going on? Are you talking about Grey Feather Mantle/Cowl?
hes talking about the armor/helm part, not the shield.
Yes, I meant Grey Feather.
@Flists: Ok, I didn't talk about the Stun weakness because I think it's not as much of an issue at all, but results may vary. (I consider Poison to be worse than Shock myself, so grain of salt caveat.) I agree with the ASI assessment though, getting a lot less hits on lag than on the piercing set.
If not using swords? Can't, for example, a bomber can just get 2 Elite CTR trinkets. And gunners who think ASI is useless get 2 Elite damage trinkets. With Grey Feather, the only drawback is stun, but with additional Shock resist over a Vog/Volc Demo.
I guess this is also an extension of the Cobalt Thread, where Cobalt, which has nothing else besides defense, is compared with other Piercing defense alternatives.
I'm building a GF set as a combo Roarmulus/FSC armour. I don't see anything terribly wrong with it. Pretty much the only time I get stunned is when I make a really stupid move in an arena with 6 lumbers, and given that their movement speed and cooldown is basically glacial, there's plenty of time to hobble away and wait for the stun to wear off. I pretty much never get stunned by trojans, but roughly the same would apply there.
I think it's uncommon because for a long time people were concentrating on FSC for their endgame gear, and Vog is pretty much the defacto armour for that given it's got ele/normal and fire resist with a sword buff. There wasn't really any reason to trade off the sword buff for shock resist.
Because the vast majority of end game players value offensive bonuses over defensive properties since most attacks are easily avoided or dangerous enough to the point where defense will make little difference. As a defensive set Grey Feather is great, but most people plain and simply don't care about defensive abilities when you can maximize your asi/ctr/dmg with different armours and/or trinkets. As for the bit about bombers, most pure bombers require the damage bonus Mad Bomber/Elite Boom Modules provide as well as ctr, state why they rarely use defensive armours (Pure support bombers may do though). Gunner simply shouldn't getting hit enough for it to matter, which is the main fault all defensive armours run into; the players who would benefit from it the most (swordsmen) will benefit much more from the various bonuses armours provide and will almost always choose vog/skolver over it, gunners shouldn't be in enough danger to need defensively oriented armour and bombers can swing either way depending on their specific loadout.
On top of all that you also have to consider that the current end game is "FSC, period" and when fire, shadow & normal resists are infinitely more important than elemental and shock in there sets like Vog, Fallen, Divine and so forth are almost always going to be used over Grey Feather. Once we get more tier 3 content for example if Ultimate Ironclaw Munitions Factory has some really sought after rewards, then you may see an increase in Grey Feather.
Yeah you don't want stun to last too long even if you can outrun your enemies, some of them at least, and it would probably be worse with hazards around. Trees can break through the shield in one hit if you're not careful. I've always seen the Grey Feather Cowl as more of a looks set like Chaos Cloak or Azure(except with one of the unfortunate status penalties).
What Echoez said.
If your armor provides offensive bonuses equivalent to 2 trinkets then that is 2 trinket slots you can use for something else. It is really easy to get Sword Very High ASI, Max Damage by wearing Vog + BTS + 2 Sword Damage Trinkets. If it were Grey Feather instead it would just be Max Damage with no ASI. /me sadface. Same conundrum for bombers/gunners.
If only there was somewhere you desperately needed Normal/Elemental/Fire/Shock... hmmmmm. At that point I think there will be a lot more people wearing Grey Feather and with good reason. Until then though, people will be shocked to death in Vog (or perfect dodging!)
The negative stun is honestly a non-issue. It rarely happens and when you do get stunned just walk to off, no harm done. You won't take damage and it won't take down your shield, unlike those other nasty statuses.
You'll start seeing it more often once Ultimate IMF comes out.
Negative stun resist + No UVs
Even Divine veil has UV.
"You'll start seeing it more often once Ultimate IMF comes out."
Sry, dude but the Ultimate contest its only for "Uber richs" guys.
I didn't say you'd be seeing it all the time, I said you'd be seeing it more often.
I have few sets of different equipment for different situation and i have to admit that i completely dont get the point of getting VOG set. The advantage should be V.high speed bonus. The fact is that this bonus does almost nothing. I seriously cant fell much difference. This is overall game problem. Speed bonuses does soooooo little. Same situation with pistols. IMO if i have maximum speed bonus my gran faust should act like cutter but instead that its like a 0,8sec bonus. More like a psychological bonus... "ooohh i have v.high bonus, nothing can stop me".
Im writing about it cause the vog set is the alternative for grey father set. IMO GFS wins with the design and look which in this game have higher value than speed bonuses : D VOg look super weak FOR ME, cause it sooo popular. I have skolver set and im covereing it under costume cause i cant watch it. ;d
You sholdnt get stunned much if u can shield properly.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, I assume not, so...
That's just not true at all. Speed bonuses make a huge difference in play style. Interruption is much easier, shielding occurs sooner, dodging is faster, etc. I play both Max ASI and no ASI depending on what I'm wielding and when using Max I have a noticeably larger tolerance for error.
It is most evident on 2-swing swords, but even with a cutter ASI has a noticeable impact on technique.
i myself have a ggrey cowl, and i must say its 10x beter than what i thout it wud be
i have grey cowl/vog coat
i dont use slow swords rly, so ASI not matter much 2 me, BUT shock resist is helpful, and the negative stun is NOT BAD. lets think about the things that give stun, shall we?
lumbers, vanas mace, and trojans. if u get hit with either of these, u wont even care about stun bc of the dmg u just took lol. lumbers and trojans are easy enough 2 avoid, as u want 2 atack em in the back anyways lol. vanas mace is only a tiny problem.
when i get hit, i get 7 secodns of stun instead of 5. this is not much extra, and usually when ur stunned, u dont attack.
the constant attacks toward vana by other players will turn his attention away from u.
its also kinda easy 2 dodge vanas mace once u get into your rythym :) and if ur standing there shielding, ur kinda asking 2 get hit :D
wrong spelling of rhythm, too lazy 2 change it :P
I actually got stunned today from a giant lichen colony. I had no idea they could do that.
Still though, it was hardly a huge deal. Just walked it off and kept right on going.
Now i want Grey feather armor... Becouse look awsome with the Hallowens hat ( Grim hat).
Negative stun resist can be really bad. You're not going to get stunned too often (lumbers don't hit you all the time, right?), but when you DO get stunned, it's going to suck. Also, some people regard Vog Cub's ASI superior to the shock resist you get with Grey feather.