Spiral Knights - Missing Data Tables

Missing Data Tables

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 10:11

Toastnaut

Update log:
2/27/12: Venom Veiler, Faust, Biohazard, others [old data]
3/01/12: Super Slime Slasher, Nova Driver, Faust/VV data fix [old data]
5/18/12: Irontech Bomb, Suda/Trig Charge Values
5/31/12: Blight Needle
6/05/12: Nitronome
6/08/12: AP/Sentenza, Blaster
6/18/12: Super Blaster, Proto Bomb (lol)
6/27/12: Master Blaster, Catalyzer, Radiant Pulsar
7/02/12: RSS
7/03/12: Nova Driver, Dark Retribution, Irontech Destroyer
7/05/12: Valiance - Nova Driver typo fix
7/10/12: Ionized Salt Bomb
8/3/12: Swift Flourish, Ind. Catalyzer, Pulsar
10/2/12: Callahan, V. Catalzyer, Supernova
10/6/12: Neutralizer, Biohazard, DBB, 5* Haze Line
10/11/12: 3* Haze line
10/20/12: Plague Needle, Shadow Driver, Super Stun Gun
2/26/13: Proto Gun, Volt Driver, Graviton Vortex
Hopefully the new format for the first post here is more useful for someone editing the wiki with the numbers I've collected.

[Original Post:
"I've been waiting for a bit for the Steam Login problem in the wiki to be fixed, and it occured to me that it may not be absolutely necessary for that to happen before I can contribute.

I don't care to make a separate non-steam account just to post to the wiki, but would it be helpful to post weapon damage data that is missing in the wiki to the forums for someone else to be able to enter in?
I have noticed that a few weapons that I have have no damage entries in the wiki, and it's simple to just collect the data.

Worth posting up here?"]

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 15:51

Culture

Yep!

Definitely. Post it here and someone can copy it to the wiki. As you get more data, just edit your tables.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 07:27

Toastnaut

Thanks for the reply. I'll

Thanks for the reply. I'll get on it. :)

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 05:37

Toastnaut

Holy Necropost, Batman!

Ok, so it's been a while since I said I'd do this.
Been badly held back by the realization that I need armour and shields that I can do decently in and also don't provide any damage bonuses, which I didn't have much of at the time of my original post.

On the upside I have been busily working at this lately, and am starting to enter my data HERE.

There are a few holes still there, and that's about 1/3-1/2 of what I've got so far.
I'll keep updating and adding new data. :)

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 06:38

Toastnaut

Update

Charts are updated with complete data for the Venom Veiler, Faust, and Biohazard as well as the others that are done, now.

For my curiosity is anyone actually up to entering the data in the wiki? Is there anyone already doing it?

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 17:37

Jamesh

I'm up, but not starting yet

I could easily add the damage to the wiki (using SKTactic's tables), but I don't have the time atm - I will soon enough though.

EDIT: Hmmm - are two different tables (one for detonation, one for damage) the best way to do it for Venom Veiler? For now, I'll skip that...

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 18:32

Toastnaut

Thanks.

Good to know that someone is at least up to making use of the data, I'm not in any hurry.

Venom Veiler only does damage once, that's why I just have one damage value for each enemy type through each stratum...

Where are you seeing a second table?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 16:21

Jamesh

Hmmmm

I was comparing it to the Ash of Agni specifically.... but doesn't the poison status inflict damage when they are healed? That is what I was referring to.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 22:27

Toastnaut

Oh...

It depends on how much healing they get. Menders' different healing methods and silkwings do totally different damage to poisoned targets, and it doesn't supply damage numbers.

Only way I know of to see how much damage something is taking from poison, is to die and spectate someone else who is poisoning things, but even then the damage is totally variable.

On another note, I just updated a bunch more damage values into my charts.
Finished weapons from party lobby to core:
Super Slime Slasher
Nova Driver
Faust (fixed an error in my recorded values, a 5 looked like an 8 to me on my page - derp)
Venom Veiler

4* and 5* antiguas are almost finished with the new values...

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 10:05

Toastnaut

Lot more work to get done...

I've started gathering new new data for every gun and bomb that I own (and will be starting on the starter swords - I mean shovel, pick, etc.) that have gotten a damage buff.

I'm going on to google docs right now to update a few things:
Old (incomplete) and new (complete) damage for the Irontech (useless) Bomb!
Nearly complete Blight Needle
New Suda/Triglav charge values.
Beginnings of a few other things including new new AP/Sentenza numbers.

Should be posted on my spreadsheet in a few hours at most. :)

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 17:52

#10

Toastnaut

News

I'll be updating my tables a little later on.

I've been collecting data still, but I haven't entered any since I last posted. A few more things complete, and lots of progress on all of the others currently on the tables.

On a different note, can a wiki editor please fix the Biohazard entry?
Someone posted some incomplete data that isn't correct, and wasn't before the gun buff, so it's not outdated, it's just wrong.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 21:25

#11

Autofire

Woo. Thank you very much.

Woo. Thank you very much. I'll get them put up. (Or those that aren't on yet.)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 11:54

#12

Toastnaut

Hurray!

I'm excited, it sounds like someone is finally entering the data I've been collecting.

On that note, more data is going up shortly. I'm going to be updating my tables this afternoon with (LOTS!) more data.

By the way, I don't know if anyone is already posting new gun/bomb data (I thought that no one was, but I could be wrong.) If you see that I've collected data for something that is up on the wiki, it may be worth referencing my data to what's already there. I'm collecting new data for weapons that have gotten a buff in the last big patch even if they had complete tables before. :)

When I get a chance, I will check the wiki and post a note with my tables.
I will also move the ones that are posted to a new sheet to make it easier for anyone who is posting my data up on the wiki.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 18:49

#13

Autofire

Oh, don't worry about the

Oh, don't worry about the slime slasher, beast basher, etc. Same for the 1* versions. I'm doing those.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 23:04

#14

Toastnaut

Sounds good!

Thanks.

I'll drop those off of my list.

I posted most of the newer data that I have, though there are some holes in most of the tables.
I've nearly heated my Irontech Destroyer to get the table for that done as well as soon as I can.

Irontech Bomb and Blight Needle data are posted and ready to be updated to the wiki.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 03:40

#15

Toastnaut

Big Update to charts

There's a bunch more data, and Nitronome is now completed too.

More importantly, I cleaned up my charts with a few more pages to make them more user-friendly.

Now someone actually taking numbers from the charts for the wiki doesn't have to sort through what I'm working on to find completed charts. First page is completed, ready to enter; second page is my worksheet; third page is where I'm moving stuff that's entered as I see that it's been posted to the wiki for reference. Last two pages are still Antigua line comparison and out-dated charts.

Hopefully that makes this whole process less work for a wiki editor who wants to add the data that I'm collecting. =D

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 05:02

#16

Toastnaut

Moar Update

AP/Sentenza and 2* Blaster Charts are finished and posted for entry!

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 03:05

#17

Toastnaut

And again...

I feel like the spammingest for continually updating my thread with the hope that someone who actually has a presence on the wiki will post the data. XD

Autofire, are you still adding data? I haven't seen any of it entered since last month.

On that note, (much) more data is posted up to my spreadsheet, lots more numbers, and the Proto Bomb is finished and moved to the front page...

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:38

#18

Trying

I guess I'll take it up and start posting them

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 22:57

#19

Toastnaut

Thanks Rangerwill!

I'm going to go do some chart updating right now. Super Blaster is finished too now, and more other charts are continually filling up. :)

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:41

#20

Toastnaut

Wooo! More done

Three more tables completed:
Master Blaster, Catalyzer, Radiant Pulsar

Go normal damage!

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 05:51

#21

Bopp

request: CIV depth 28

I don't have a CIV, but I'm keenly interested in all sword damage stats. Would someone with a CIV please measure the damage at depth 28?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 10:12

#22

Trying

Toastnaut It would be greatly appreciated if you could move the link to your spreadsheet to the first post.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 15:12

#23

Toastnaut

Sure! Done and done.

(I don't have a CIV, but I have at least one friend with one. I'll see what can be arranged, Bopp.)

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:59

#24

Toastnaut

Oops

Forgot to update because the servers were all done when I updated my charts. RSS is (sort of) done. I didn't get fiend values because mine has a UV. I'll try to get damage values for it with an undead med bonus from gear, but it will probably take a while to find undead at 12 specific depths for it.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 19:15

#25

Toastnaut

'nother update

I was hoping that editing the first post would bump, but it doesn't.

Updated my tables with completed Nova Driver, Dark Retribution, and Irontech Destroyer.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 19:38

#26

Trying

I find it odd that the nova driver charge at the start of stratum 6 does more damage to slimes/fiends than to contruct/undead. The number for construct/undead is lower than the prebuff wiki number

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 04:39

#27

Toastnaut

Fixed!

Thanks for catching that, Trying.
I was typing in the dark because with the lamp in my room and recent hot weather, it's freaking hot in here.
I was off a key, and typed 282 instead of 383.

(Also, I'm planning to recheck depth 28, since the neutral damage values I got seem a little odd to me. Strange that damage goes down from 24-28 on the normal attack against fiends/slimes only...)

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 02:07

#28

Toastnaut

Valiance

Is posted up. :)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 05:15

#29

Toastnaut

Welp

It'll probably be obsolete in a few days' time, but I have the Ionized Salt Bomb charts finished. Few others are neeeearly done.

Few runs should have a number of other entries completed.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 01:44

#30

Toastnaut

More data posted, Pulsar,

More data posted, Pulsar, Ind. Catalyzer, and Swift Flourish are done. Few more coming up if I can finish them quickly.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:49

#31

Trying

All done

Tue, 10/02/2012 - 16:30

#32

Toastnaut

Thanks again for keeping on

Thanks again for keeping on top of the data as I post it, Trying.

I've been slow to update my charts, since I am settling in at a new job.

That said, I've finished some more charts.

I just posted up Callahan, Supernova, and the Volatile Catalyzer.
Neutralizer and hopefully one or two other things should be done this week.

Sat, 10/06/2012 - 01:24

#33

Toastnaut

Even Moar Update!

Updating now with:
Neutralizer, Biohazard (again,) DBB, and the 5* Haze bomb values. :D

Thu, 10/11/2012 - 00:25

#34

Toastnaut

and 'nother

Updated with completed values for 3* haze bombs.

Fri, 10/12/2012 - 09:35

#35

Bopp

certain guns

By the way, I've been blanking and slowly filling the tables for Umbra Driver, Polaris, and Blitz Needle, to account for the buff last spring.

Edit: I've entered your Callahan data into the wiki.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 15:49

#36

Toastnaut

Awesome, TY Bopp. Also that's

Awesome, TY Bopp. Also that's excellent that you've got those ones covered, cause those are three big ones I don't have to get data for.
I noticed there's a hole in the posted data. If my chart confused you because Neutral Stratum for is listed as 65, it's the same for both depths it was tested in. You could use the notation 65-65, but lots of wiki entries with data like that are just listed with one number in cases like that so I stuck with that for consistency in my charts.

I'm going to update my charts right now. Just finished Plague Needle, Shadow Driver, and Super Stun Gun (lol) on a tier 3 Punkin Hunt! :D

(On an unrelated note, I just noticed when I was looking at my charts... Callahan needs a buff badly. It does the same damage per shot as Supernova expanded shots, even though it gets two per reload and is slower, while SN gets three.
That's neutral damage for both, so it is ahead against beasts and fiends, but obviously loses hard against constructs and slimes... I know it's been long announced that a buff is coming, but that's a brutal disparity. Never noticed before that my normal damage gun does just as well as Callahan against neutral targets before :-\)

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 16:11

#37

Bopp

okay I'll fill the hole

Okay, I'll fill the hole. And by the way I'm also working on Hail Driver, but slowly.

Edit: Wait. You're saying that Callahan does 65 damage per shot against neutral targets, at all depths from 12 to 17? And then shoots up to 111 damage at depth 19? Do you want to double- or triple-check this?

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 16:19

#38

Dukeplatypus

The damage scales with the

The damage scales with the depths within the stratum.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 19:21

#39

Bopp

sorry, I still don't get it

I think that Toastnaut is saying that these are the Callahan damage numbers against neutral targets:
Stratum 1: 26-27
Stratum 2: 32-35
Stratum 3: 63-65
Stratum 4: 65-65
Stratum 5: 111-139
Stratum 6: 151-154
I've verified the Stratum 5 number and the 151 in Stratum 6, but not the others. Don't the Stratum 4 numbers seem wrong? (Or the Stratum 3 numbers?) The pattern is pretty wacky.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 06:57

#40

Toastnaut

I'll check them as soon as I

I'll check them as soon as I get a chance. I've found stranger things while gathering damage values, so I didn't really question what I saw here.
(Plague Needle, Bio/Neut, AP/Sent and Drivers jump in a similar way from stratum 4-5 to almost double their damage, just not from double to triple digits on most of them, so they don't seem as incongruous.)
Since I got the same numbers for the Supernova, and it does identical damage in every other stratum, I tend to think that those numbers are correct, but I'll still check next time I'm in the right depth. :)

Can't hurt to be thorough. Normally, I test my numbers on a few things every time I collect data in case I hit a buffed monster, or in case I mis-record something, but mistakes are still possible.

Also, sorry for taking so long to reply. I haven't been checking the thread. XD

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 07:36

#41

Bopp

and just to be clear

And just to be clear, what surprises me isn't the sudden jump from Stratum 4 to Stratum 5. What surprises me is the complete lack of increase from Stratum 3 to Stratum 4. But take your time; you're doing a service to the community. (I might check it too, if I find myself on Stratum 4.)

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 20:00

#42

Toastnaut

Almost done

I'm nearly finished with gathering data on the weapons that I have been collecting data for.

With a few more holes filled on my charts, I'll post the last of what I'm collecting.

At the risk of sounding whiny (it's certainly not my intent,) I won't be gathering any more weapon data for the wiki.
I've gathered info for nearly every weapon that I've acquired that other people haven't posted data for, and while I will keep getting new gear, I won't keep taking the time to gather data for the wiki.
The lack of interest or willingness to actually post collected data is discouraging, to say the least.

Big thanks again, to Bopp, Trying, Autofire and anyone else who has helped enter data. :)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:52

#43

Bopp

too bad

Thanks for the data that you've collected thus far. Players all over the world appreciate our efforts, even if they don't show it. (You're not the only one doing it, of course. The other day I went from depth 19 to depth 28 just to measure CIV against undead at depth 28.)

The basic problem is that it's inefficient for you to post the data here, someone else to find it, and that person to enter it into the wiki. Maybe you've already explained this, but I don't see why you don't just enter it yourself. It's not hard. I could give you tips if you need them. (If you play through Steam, then you'll need to make an account through www.spiralknights.com; but you don't have to play that account, and it doesn't interfere with your Steam account. Not super-convenient, but no big deal either.)

In any event, you've already done more than your fair share of data collection. So thanks again, and happy travels.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 04:58

#44

Zeddy

I will be copying these values to the wiki.

Edit: All bombs are now up to date, except for Big Angry. BAB showed a lower damage for depth 24 than I got in GTH so I assumed it to be outdated, and blanked it. Maybe at some point I'll gather new numbers for it myself, if noone else do.

I'll get started on the guns.

Edit: I've copied over Plague Needle, Volcanic Pepperbox, Biohazard, Neutralizer, Polaris and Supernova.

I won't be bothering with the 4* weapons and it seems alchemers are already done, so I guess that's all I can do here.

Edit: Only Nova and Umbra were done. I copied over basic attack values from Catalyzer to the status alchemers, but someone with status alchemers will have to gather the charge damage.

Edit: Blitz Needle of all weapons was missing numbers. I just copied them over from Argent Peacemaker and did the calculations for full attacks.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 08:06

#45

Toastnaut

Thanks, guys

Yep, I'm on Steam. TBH, I can't be bothered to get on there with another account just to enter all of the data that I collected. I understand that it's not that hard, and not the most efficient system to collect, post and have someone post it (but then again, note that my original post was a question asking if it was worth posting them, and was told it would be.)

Thanks for entering them, Zeddy. I'll update my charts soon to reflect what's been posted. :)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:02

#46

Zeddy

I added all the remaining data in the table. Found a quick way to do so using regular expression so I figured why not.

Thank you for all your hard work, Toastnaut.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:05

#47

Bopp

but see talk page

But see the talk page for Callahan. Have we verified that the crazy Stratum 4 damage is correct? It does the same damage at depth 17 that it does at depth 12?!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:14

#48

Zeddy

The values for Callahan in Tier 2 are all entirely correct. Base defence in depth 17 is about 7 points higher than it is at depth 14, and Calla's damage only increases by about 8 points through the whole stratum. This pattern is pretty common for all weapons, really. See how Final Flourish' neutral damage also only increases by one point through stratum 4?

Also keep in mind that Callahan's neutral damage is below 38 * 2 = 76. This is the magic treshold where defence gets funky and is sometimes extra effective.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:36

#49

Bopp

thanks

Thanks for responding. I guess this is an artifact of how 5-star weapons are penalized in strata above Stratum 6.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 03:34

#50

Zeddy

The values for the astral blades on Divine Avenger/Gran Faust and explosions on all the 5* brandishes were outdated, so I blanked them out and filled in what little gaps I could for the moment with Lancer Knightz numbers. Since I discovered this at depth 22, I also filled in one value for depth 22.

It would be appreciated if someone else could at least get the Divine Avenger / Gran Faust numbers, as I do not own either of those.

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