I played Spiral Knights for a few weeks, then decided to introduce it to my brother yesterday. He found it pretty fun and created his own account. I let my mist recharge to 100, then I left for the dentist and let him play his ass off, expecting to be able to cash in some energy on a few arena runs. When I came home and logged in, my mist was at 6 (and so was my bro's). Totally ruined the day.
Separate accounts on the same computer share mist energy??
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 04:31
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 07:11
#2
@Duskfinder: oh well…
…that system's really stupid but thanks for the answer.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:11
#3
Actually if you set up a
Actually if you set up a second account and not just use a different character on your own account, then the ME should not share. For example there was an account automatically in place for my steam and that one has its own ME as opposed to my original account. Perhaps you should make a spiral knights on a steam account for your brother?
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:48
#4
Pay or share
Wuvvums is mistaken. Only paid accounts have separate mist. Unpaid accounts on the same computer will all share the same mist tank. This is to prevent people from being able to play unlimited levels simply by making more accounts.
I think the system is fair. I also think it is reasonable to spend some money on a great game to have an even better experience playing.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 09:37
#5
Well I'm using two separate
Well I'm using two separate clients (normal client and the steam client). I don't see why people should have to share ME from the same computer since it's quite plausible that there are family computers in use.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:21
#6
@Metagenic
@Metagenic
the system isn't stupid. I know you haven't really considered it but:
if someone makes 1000 accounts and each day they just used that 100 mist energy for each account to craft basic 2* items for UVs or what not
and then sell them, they are effectively gaining crowns for free.
so, the reason the account mist is restricted is so people can't do this without at least paying for each account.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 11:29
#7
What is it based off of by
What is it based off of by the way? IP? Or just the computer? I know it can be exploitative but it should be worth considering that some people *gasp* share computers. That's the whole point of family computers, after all.
And for those that say they should pay for the quality of the game, Spiral Knights markets itself as F2P and they shouldn't shaft people for not having money. Also it sounds like these two players may be young, and if they want CE they may have to ask a parent for their credit or debit card and some parents aren't trusting of online transactions. There's also some people who just can't find a way to play because they don't have credit, or paypal, or debit, so we don't want to alienate a good portion of players on money issues alone in a free game.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 18:51
#8
Game cards
You can buy CE with the Ultimate Game Card or prepaid Visa/MC/Amex which can be purchased for cash at most drug stores and supermarkets in the US, so not having credit or not trusting online transactions is no barrier to buying CE.
Yes, it can be annoying for people with shared family computers to share mist, but $3 per account will get everyone their own mist, so it's not a financial burden and it's a good protection against individuals who would exploit multiple accounts for free energy.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:47
#9
Another question
What if I buy CE with 6k crowns? Does it count as making a purchase, or will I have to actually buy some energy with real cash to stop sharing mist with my brother?
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:17
#10
Saying it's cheap still
Saying it's cheap still shouldn't excuse the fact that a free to play game is penalizing someone for having a sibling. And their parents may not want to buy them what they need to play the game. Some parents are stingy.
Doesn't the ultimate game card cost about $20? And would parents want to shell out the money for a prepaid visa? And we are not sure if these are available to all locations world wide, and OOO is serving a worldwide audience. I saw something about microtransactions and it mentioned how you shouldn't do something that alienates your free to play audience because they are the bulk of the community, and MMOs need that community to motivate people to stay. While they are certainly a minority, I don't think it's fair to penalize young siblings.
Perhaps metagenic can make an appeal to customer service? Perhaps they make exemptions for siblings. After all, these two players should get the same treatment everyone else gets. Getting less than that is a little unfair.
Mon, 10/24/2011 - 02:49
#11
Yes.
@Wuvvums:
After all, these two players should get the same treatment everyone else gets.
They in fact, do. The system is in place and it affects everyone just the same.
If Metagenic and his bro can argue their case and are accepted, then they are not normal, and it will be unfair for the rest of the world. It would also cause a precedent for other people to request for the same thing.
I'm sorry that you do not fully understand the impact of not having this safeguard in place. There's just no way to figure out multiple real players on the same computer or just a random guy who intends on making easy in-game currency through bazillions of accounts.
@Metagenic:
Buying energy with crowns will not make an account immune to "energy sharing". Only paid accounts will be.
You can also play on different computers if you can.
For more details:
wiki.spiralknights.com/Energy
wiki.spiralknights.com/Energy_FAQ
Mon, 10/24/2011 - 06:01
#12
Sounds like if their parents
Sounds like if their parents have a computer they could try and put one of the accounts on there.
"If Metagenic and his bro can argue their case and are accepted, then they are not normal, and it will be unfair for the rest of the world. It would also cause a precedent for other people to request for the same thing."
So? I think the requests can be legitimate. I don't think it's fair that two people have to vie for the resources only one player gets, all because they can't afford to pay, or can't afford a second computer. I think this would probably affect younger players the most, as they're more likely to have to share computers and not have the money to pay. If they can't do this then I would suggest the player and their sibling alternate which days of the week they get to play.
Tue, 10/25/2011 - 19:08
#13
Can afford a computer but not $4?
Most 13+ y/o kids whose parents have a computer capable of playing this game and high speed internet get some cash from time to time. They can use that cash, without any input or help from their parents, to buy one of the many cards I mentioned. In fact, they could, for about $4, but a money order from the post office and mail it to Three Rings to pay for 750 energy and separate their mist tanks.
It's not cost prohibitive for anyone who can afford the hardware to pay for a single package of CE.
Tue, 10/25/2011 - 22:52
#14
@Wuwums
I don't think you can
@Wuwums
I don't think you can use 'fairness' as an argument, and as Arctic Fern has pointed out, if they are exempt from this rule, they are outside of the norm, and it will be unfair. Because they are being treated as any other player would, makes it fair.
Either way, three rings had to make a choice, whether accounts share mist or not. and weighing the pros and cons, they decided it would be in their best interest (and probably ours too) that accounts share mist.
I think we should just be thankful that paid accounts don't share mist, because three rings could have designed it so that regardless of free or paid accounts, the mist is shared on a single computer/IP
Yep all accounts share energy unless u make a purchase on one account. Then mist will be seperate.