Well there is an auction option already implemented into the game, the CE market! If there was a way to have something like the grand exchange on Runescape that would be awesome.

I thought East haven was supposed to be like that, so I guess there's a reason they didn't add it?

Either or both some sort of bazaar/AH to set up mats/items to sell properly and a chat filter. It is increasingly difficult in populated havens to carry on conversations because of all the buyer/seller spam.

I think Auction Houses would kind of suck. It would be nice if something was implemented that resulted in slightly less spam and spam and spam necessarily, but it adds an interesting dynamic as opposed to a soulless, heartless house of sortable numbers.

The Energy system, as almost the complete opposite, also works very well. I don't think a system like it would work for the many, many different types of materials.

I don't have an opinion on guild size. All it really is is a group of people with a shared chat channel. Sure, 100, why not? But it doesn't seem like a limit should be so firm. Maybe be able to pay to increase guildhall size or something? I dunno.

I'm with you.

In this butt.

100 max? boo that.
however, yeah an auction house would be boss, now go post it in the suggestion forum, eh?

• Split chat channels, so you can filter by tabs. A tab that has only zone chat, a tab for only guild chat, a tab for only loot messages etc. As well as all chat that lets you see all messages
• Custom chat filters, so in "all" chat you can see only chat that you want to see.
• Custom chat tabs, so you can keep certain whisper conversations separate, or have both guild and officer chat visible in one tab. As well as a way to custom colour the individual channels for easier identification
• An Auction House, to decrease zone chat congestion. Possibly a trade channel.
• Easier to type bindings for chat channels, an ! for zone chat and an @ for whispers, for example. As well as keeping focus on said channels to avoid accidentally sending tells to local chat
• Linked items in chat, so that people can see items. This would also be useful for loot notifications
• Item previews, so people can see what they're buying stat-wise as well as aesthetically

Those are all pretty standard in other modern MMOs.

not enough items in the game to need an AH as far as I can tell

Auction House: Please no.
Trade Channel: Must!

Just put a board where you put notes of what you're buying/selling, like an actively updated forums.

Way easier than making an actual bazaar, and less clutter/spam honestly.

@Shoebox
Agreed. Just like most games such as WoW..

@nearo
Limiting the Guild Members would be okay.. Without limits, you can have like thousands of players in 1 guild =\

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Agreed to thread as most games has an Auction house, View Chat Options and Guild Member Limits.
I'm sure this game will improve sooner or later. Its just time consuming.
It's easy to suggest for game improvements, but complex for those who are designing/making all these changes. Got to give the people a break at times..

For some games, the Guild has levels. Which are then achieved by experience. Though, in this case.. it can be achieved by grinding and getting Heat~ which goes to both, the player and Guild.. (Heat will not be shared, though maybe a certain amount of heat goes to Guild 5%?) [note that this is not implemented in game at the moment, just a suggestion]
Example 1:
Guild level 1: limited 20 Guild Members
Guild level 2: limited 50 Guild Members etc as it extends out..

Then again, Auction house are not implemented yet..? Therefore, players can socialize :P Just see it in a positive way? If you don't like communicating with others players, that's cool too.

At the moment, it's sort of stable.. not in the Urgent need of an Auction house.

@ Thread
I'd agree, even if the economy is up/down. The game do need to make money.. == Creating it isn't free.. Most stuff are not free in reality.. lols :)

@erogath: There are quite a lot of free MMOs who do it.

I'm not going to name any, but most of the popular or raid oriented F2Ps do have that functionality.
Some even have MSN style chat windows completely separate from normal chat so you can talk to people privately while looking at other chats.

Also, something I forgot to mention in my list.
Being able to right click names in chat and select Add as Friend, Ignore or Tell, would be infinitely useful as well.

@Shoebox
Might wanna add scrolling in chat to that

i agree. (RuneScape is awesome) [my username (not my player name) on this is my name on runescape)

yeah...you kind of said the thing I didn't want to say...people have been saying "interaction" but um...there's not much with that. You spam until you get a hit and then the conversation ensues like above (for me, usually slightly better grammar is involved), you do the deal, and then its done. You never see each other again.

I have more real encounters partying with random people in the clockworks, whether we speak or not, than through that.

"I think the game needs no Auction House."

The game only needs an Auction House because people are scammers and will do anything to get the most they possibly can. Just as someone explained above, someone will go "Well no one else has one that's on so [insert insane price here] or just don't get what you need."

"I think the energy economy is brilliantly designed and operating well."

I agree until you hit the prices. 200 Energy to make a single item at Tier 3...it's a F2P game design, but main stream content is clearly a form of P2P. If EVERYONE took the F2P as just that, and ran with 100 Energy a day, you could never make 5 star items. It's a F2P model built on the knowledge that people elsewhere will buy if not the current player, which in itself is where the system is bad. Floors shouldn't cost 10 Energy each, and items shouldn't go past 100 Energy to craft.

"I think 100 players is a sensible limit to guild size."

That is something we can agree on. People want more than 100 players, but have you ever been in a completely active guild of 100 players? It's CHAOTIC. There's no point in having more than that. The point of having a guild is to have allies and friends you can talk to, laugh with, and go play the game with. You think the Haven maps being full and spammed with selling/buying is bad? Be in a completely active 100 player guild. It's significantly worse.

I have no problems with the current system, I think the CE system is really unfair for new players though, it slows them down to pitiful levels, you shouldn't have to be in a disadvantage because you started later than someone else.

Should just work on the Mist tank energy feature a little more, if you ask me.

@djbiznatch

auction house is really not a bad idea. i think there should be an easier way for people to sell items to other players without having to use the forum, or keep shouting their wares out in their zone (and probably jumping around zone to zone to get everyones attention). i personally hate doing that, though setting up an auction / shop might be a pain too. there definitely could be some improvements to p2p transactions.

i agree with the rest of your statements though.
I Maybe eliminate the ability for random (non friends) to send whispers/tells to players on a different server/Haven? Would reduce the number of people spamming each Haven :3

lol I play Dead Frontier (temporarily on break). That's kind of why I laugh about this cuz the stuff about energy is basically the same complaints I hear over there where all items are player controlled prices (though there are price floors given the scrap prices) are coming up over here, the difference is its just over a single item. But that's another thread...

Anyway people still complain about prices over there, like the addition of "easter eggs" has "ruined" the market again for high level items, I suspect if we did get an auction house, there'd still be complaints about this not being worth enough or that costing too much, and while they would be valid complaints, at least it was decided by the populace. That's why I really want this.

To help out though, a decent "scrap" system should also be applied to help, someone has suggested adding one zero to the existing values that you get when selling items to vendors. That seems fair enough to me just in case the amount of say...brimstone coming into the auction house is so much that people valued it at 1 crown. That way its always worth at least 50 crowns, and people do have the choice to sell below that but it wouldn't be worthwhile.

BUT even with no changes, just having an auction house would be good. Period.

if youre not sure what someones talking about, you probably shouldnt respond then.

the problem is vendors pay rediculous low rates for materials, so players have to sell them on their own to get their moneys worth. materials are clearly worth way more than the 1/2/5/10/25/50 crowns (or whatever it is) that vendors currently pay.

not inflation in the least, since players will still be getting less than those materials are actually worth. just a fairer shake.

I put this idea in one of the other thousands of threads on this topic, why not just use a COD mail system, we've already got an are using a bazaar sub-forum so all we'd need now is a way to transfer and receive goods/monies for the agreed upon price.

Argue all you like about price fixing with an AH or any other gripe, but really just a more convenient way of trading would be a huge benefit, for a game meant to "be casual" as a player you spend more time sitting around spamming your warez or trying to find a seller than you do actually DOING anything.

@EricTheBed ... if you look back a few posts, you will find,

"how much for ur swordstone"
"1k"
"k were r u"
"token trader"
"i dont see u"
"im in haven 6"
"k be right there"
"ty"
"u2"

Yeah. I need more of that in my life. Having an automated market does not take away from any meaningful human interaction, only provides a means to reduce the constant noise that floods haven and the constant clutter that accumulates in one's arsenal in a quick and efficient manner.
And it would take a lot more than that to make this game anything like runescape.

Please, there hasn't been a single good argument against an AH. You can still do all the stupid things you want taking peoples money/energy/mats and running off without crafting things, ok? You hear that, you'd still be able to scam and steal your way to the top of the F2P robot pile. Wooo~

If the "social high" you get talking to some random person in an online game is so great you really need a life.

The only reason there hasn't been an AH yet is probably because they're tricky to implement. I wouldn't be surprised if one came up in the near future. Not all of us have disposable time on our hands, we have lives, school, work and other things we do during the day. I don't have time to sit around and try to sell imaginary things to little school children because they don't want an auction house for ignorant non-reasons.

What did the Runescape AH do to you people anyway? Did it break into your village under cover of darkness and murder your family before your eyes as the neighborhood around you burned under a pale and emotionless moon? Those random F2P games that no one plays may not have an AH because they're hard to do, but any professional online game with an economy needs one. People won't play your game otherwise, and I'm pretty sure professional game designers know more about making sustainable online economies than you.