So when you type in your user name, how do you remember how to spell it right?

Anyway, you missed all the other threads about this topic when the patch was more relevant.

To answer your one question, he was patched to be a T2 boss since he was too difficult before.

If you want a better playing experience, join a guild with people you enjoy, join friends you've added previously and know are good players, or be the leader of the party and dispatch of the noobs early in a pleasant way.

In terms of the profitability of the after-sale market for the token items, just vendor the jelly armors if you don't want to run the risk of making a loss.
The JK patch didn't really change anything when it comes to your latter points of 2, 3 & 4. You're just noticing it more.

While I appreciate your intent to "wise up dem noobs" here, perhaps you can take the time to instruct your fellow partymates when you do JK on how to actually fight it and be a good player like yourself. Ask them if they have done it, tell them to do certain things during each phase or focus on the polyp's. You can ask if they are going to be doing JK early in the stratum and tell them which vials are best suited for it if you don't want them to bring freeze.

Like it or not, JK is a T2 boss. In the old days when it was just JK and Vana the difficulty made sense, but the newer bosses have been scaled to their respective tiers--it was only a matter of time before JK was adjusted. Also, the previous version of JK never, EVER prevented 'noobs' from getting their hands on sealed swords and antiguas. Lots of people made a lot of cr selling sealed swords before the patch that auto-bound boss rewards, and lots of people continued to do so after the patch, though at a higher price to account for unbinding--so what if the new JK will mean the market for sealed swords and antiguas drops? Lastly, all of your other complaints can be solved by just not playing with people you don't think are up to your level, nothing is stopping you from limiting your JK runs to friends/guildies/solo.

Random comment, no way old Jelly King was harder than Vanaduke. Like mentioned, one person could practically solo pre-patched JK even when the other people in the team aren't really contributing to the match and/or dying left and right.

"Like mentioned, one person could practically solo pre-patched JK even when the other people in the team aren't really contributing to the match and/or dying left and right."

I can do that to Vanaduke. Not practically... I do that plenty. Old School JK, I am telling you, if you go in there with weapons that should work, like Gran Faust and DA, and you don't have a fast weapon, you are in serious trouble. There's a reason people always make a point of what vials you need to bring. When was the last time you heard someone say that for ANY other boss? The fight was just broken.

I can solo Vanaduke. I solo'd UGW on the test server. I can do the majority of shadow lairs without needing CE revs. Old Jelly King was harder than Vanaduke unless you had the necessary gimmicks to defeat him... vials, FoV, poison sword, whatever. I've defeated Vanaduke in 3* armor and 4* gun. I wouldn't have dreamed of seriously trying that and expecting to get through the old JK with no damage taken.

Khamsin, you're way overstating the old JK fight. There's even plenty of people's video who solo'd pre-patch JK without a poison sword or FoV. Hell, there's even a video of people doing it in 3*. Also, I'm not sure why you say DA or GF should work on JK. He was always a fight that needed just doing more damage than he could heal, it's really as simple as that.

I mean I get that you could do Tier 3 and Shadow Lairs. I just think you overthought the Jelly King fight. The strategy was never anything more than whacking it a lot while shielding at the right times, and running away while charging an attack at tantrums; rinse and repeat And that was all that was needed to be done, almost mindless.

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Lsdakfjlkfdajlkads, never said I was the only one. I'm sure there are others, especially in past JK strategy topics. I'm just saying it wasn't a non-carryable fight. Though I understand this thread when you mentioned it's just for "hating", so that's okay when admitted and all.

For the old JK, you needed specific things as a T2 player to even make progress. Aka, Poison vials/weapons. With no prior hint, how would any new player know this except through experienced players telling them? Yet you say, Just don't bother the good people or learn how to get good like the pros. The old JK would be a complete shut-out for anyone new to the boss unless someone 'pro' was kind enough to divulge information rather than insta-kick.

The new one is possible without poison, or even prior experience. Yeah, it's easy. But it wasn't actually meant to be so hard. It's not suppose to be a challenge for 'pros', it's suppose to be a farmable boss like any other game.

Besies, Sealed Swords still involves effort to get. You still need to get those tokens. You still use the same amount of effort to get the Sealed Sword to Avenger/Faust and beyond.

"Khamsin, you're way overstating the old JK fight. There's even plenty of people's video who solo'd pre-patch JK without a poison sword or FoV. Hell, there's even a video of people doing it in 3*. Also, I'm not sure why you say DA or GF should work on JK. He was always a fight that needed just doing more damage than he could heal, it's really as simple as that.

I mean I get that you could do Tier 3 and Shadow Lairs. I just think you overthought the Jelly King fight. The strategy was never anything more than whacking it a lot while shielding at the right times, and running away while charging an attack at tantrums; rinse and repeat And that was all that was needed to be done, almost mindless."

Yeah. Some people did Classic JK in 3*, with very, very specific gear, full pills and vials, etc. And I say DA/GF should work because they're perfect for bashing jelly. I know how the JK fight worked. I'm saying that the new JK functions much more how it should have functioned... you can go in with any rag tag set of tier appropriate gear and if you know what you're doing you can get by without suffering much serious injury.

And yes, I get that there was no strategy. That was the whole problem with the fight. It was broken. This game doesn't need gear checks in the slightest. The closest to needing a specific weapon for any other boss is capped at desiring any non-shadow gun for Vanaduke.

Pugs always did have the chance to beat the old JK without revives when they knew how to fight it. Also, I've got to mention vials were never necessary when the DPS was high enough, which is actually easily done when everyone even with Calibur or Brandish had appropriate uses of their charge attacks. Lastly, it's not really that specific of gear you needed, as any non-slow, non-piercing sword was usable.

Ok, I guess we do agree that when doing it right, the fight is really straightforward. I just didn't get why you went on about the whole harder-than-Vanaduke thing when all the things mentioned are something you also agreed on.

Also, yeah the topic is settled on JK now having the difficulty of what a T2 boss should have.

We already covered and agreed on that:
1) You could use non-slow and non-piercing swords. That's 32/58 swords that are 2* or higher.
2) You don't need vials.

And you still go on about that?

I think Roarmulus is too hard O_O
JK got easier to me, but that's opinion.

What caused jelly king nerf?

Could it be the fact that pre-nerf you could wear T2 gear, join a 5* pick up group running running the royal jelly strata and get trolled for being under geared? Could it be that before it was changed you could solo it in 5* gear and blow revives on it easily? Could it be that a lot of people were turning away at D16 because Jelly king wasn't worth the CE to fight? Could it be that people used to accuse T2 runners of "getting carried" though the Jelly King fight and "not spending their energy to earn their tokens" like everyone else who ran it before? Could it be that a troll could easily mess up jelly king run by chucking poison vials as soon as they picked them up?

<sarcasam>Nope, it's because people lack skill. Yeah, that's the reason.</sarcasam>

Jelly king was a T3 boss in a T2 strata. People got used to running it in 5* gear, and now those people are upset that it's not challenging anymore. Either that or they are outraged that randoms wearing 2* and 3* gear are earning their sealed swords. But, that's how it should be. Most people should be able to defeat jelly king wearing 2* and 3* gear because it is a T2 boss. You should not have a problem killing jelly king in 5* gear because it is not a T3 boss.

To those who have played for longer than I have, please clarify this for me:

Has there been more than one version of "old" JK?

Because I can say that it is definitely possible to solo the JK in 3* gear without vials or res before the most recent change to the fight. I have done it, and I am far from pro (though moderately competent in dealing with JK). The "strategy" I used involved using the Calibur charge over and over using a hit and runs. There is actually a video of someone using the exact same strategy to pull off a flawless victory in that fight (with upgraded gear - but it doesn't really matter because even a 3* Calibur can deal enough dps using that method). The fight is of course easier with proper use of vials and more optimal set up, but it is possible with fairly average T2 gear.

But I have seen another, older video which claims to be the only victory over an even older JK that, if the assertion is true, I have never had the chance to fight.

So has there been 2 nerfs to the JK battle since the original release?

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Personally, I don't mind the change. I find elitism silly. Nothing wrong with having personal goals and being happy or even proud of achieving them, but I would rather run with newbies who make rookie mistakes than elitist *. I never got into the Sealed Swords / Antigua trade, and I do not really care if they are as easy to acquire as Bark Tokens, or Snarby Tokens for T1 players.

On the other hand, I also do not have a problem with one T2 boss being harder than the other. Don't get me wrong, even though I can solo the previous JK consistently without res in T2 gear, I consider it a much harder boss than the Twins.. though not nowhere near Vanaduke either which I have yet to manage a no death solo (**).

The only downside for me, is that those who do want to try the old challenge are no longer able to.

(*) Or "wannabe elite": In recent runs, I have been in parties with players who upon victory complain about the new JK being "too easy" when they had to be ressed or barely finished alive :/

(**) Though it may also just be down to practice. I have only attempted Vanaduke solo twice, and I am sure it is only a matter of time before I "get it".

Ah thanks. That was long before I even started, let alone my first JK battle. It may well be that the calibur charge method would not have worked there. I wonder if Khamsin could have been referring to -that- version of the JK.

It appears that the OP is upset that:
* a T2 boss has been properly scaled to T2-accessible players
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* 3* weapons and items are now "easily" accessible to T2 players.

Perhaps the OP has forgotten what it was like to be a T2 nub with 2* - 3* gear and to get your arse handed to you by the JK multiple times while trying to farm out just one of the JK token items. And for that matter, what it was like to get murdered by Snarby as a T1 nugget... The JK, and the run-up (*down) to his Palace is a tough fight for the players that it is intended for, T2 players with T2 gear regardless of patch. The latest patch, as stated, simply brought him down to a T2 player-manageable fight.

The OP would have a stronger talking point should the JK start handing out Fangs of Vog and Blackened Crests, legendary gear that should be reserved for those "elite" enough to farm for them... or rich enough to pay for them.

~aremel